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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on April 05, 2025, 08:07:AM
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Going by Bamber's WS.
Time spent - around 30 minutes.
Upon arrival June, Sheila and Nevill were in the kitchen. They were talking about options for Sheila. He had something to eat.
Rifle minus silencer and sights loaded to 8-10 bullets as had seen two rabbits outside.
Returned to kitchen after firing no shots. Sheila, June and Nevill were still there. No one seemed distressed.
Magazine and bullets taken out of rifle & left in kitchen.
Rifle left in kitchen.
Neither Nevill or June told him to put rifle, magazine or bullets back in gun cupboard.
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Going by his WS, seems he had something to eat prior to going back outside.
No wonder the rabbits had gone!
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It is a surprise that -
Bamber chose to put the rifle in the kitchen & leave the cartridge and bullets out. Considering Nevill and June were in the kitchen.
Neville or June did not tell him to put the rifle, cartridge and bullets away. They were in the kitchen.
Nevill or June did not put away the rifle, cartridge and bullets away. They knew these were there.
No one put the rifle, magazine and bullets away although there were 3 guests at WHF.
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He does mention Sheila's treatment & how Nevill and June could help her to reduce her problems.
The twins were with CC. June & Nevill would prefer that to fostering. Not that they had a choice.
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It is a surprise that -
Bamber chose to put the rifle in the kitchen & leave the cartridge and bullets out. Considering Nevill and June were in the kitchen.
Neville or June did not tell him to put the rifle, cartridge and bullets away. They were in the kitchen.
Nevill or June did not put away the rifle, cartridge and bullets away. They knew these were there.
No one put the rifle, magazine and bullets away although there were 3 guests at WHF.
Obviously if Bamber is gulity he may have had to get the rifle from the cupboard and load up on entry to the farmhouse.
The story about leaving the rifle out used to make it look accessible for shelia.
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I don't think he felt comfortable with the tale of Shelia being able to load the rifle, hence this perspective he gave.
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Other possibilities with the rifle are he hid it somewhere where it wouldn't be clocked by Nevill etc.
I believe he drove to WHF, so I also lean to the possibility he put it in the boot of his car and drove back to GH with it before returning with it to WHF.
I'm pretty sure he could disembark from the car to the front door of his cottage with the .22 without been seen. It's not a hard feat at dusk, may have covered it with a old coat or something.
Endless possibilities who knows.
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I don't think he felt comfortable with the tale of Shelia being able to load the rifle, hence this perspective he gave.
So, in preparation for setting the scene, being fully aware that Sheila wouldn't have known how to load a rifle, he did it for her? Makes perfect sense to me. Despite being told from different quarters that loading is child's play/can be done with eyes closed, I've never understood how Sheila could have.
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Bamber said he removed the magazine and a bullet from the breach.
So Sheila would have to load.
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Seems like it was Clapham Junction in the kitchen.
June, Nevill, Sheila.
Bamber eating, loading and going out to shoot rabbits.
Then returning & leaving a rifle, cartridge & bullets in front of June & Nevill.
June was still up at least 50 minutes after Bamber left. But did not put away everything or tell Nevill to.
Nevill was still in WHF when Bamber left. But did not put anything away.
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Other possibilities with the rifle are he hid it somewhere where it wouldn't be clocked by Nevill etc.
I believe he drove to WHF, so I also lean to the possibility he put it in the boot of his car and drove back to GH with it before returning with it to WHF.
I'm pretty sure he could disembark from the car to the front door of his cottage with the .22 without been seen. It's not a hard feat at dusk, may have covered it with a old coat or something.
Endless possibilities who knows.
Why would he need to hide it when he knew where he left it and if one of the occupants moved it he would know it would be to the gun cupboard in the "den" which was all unsecured?
Are you for real? He took the rifle away with him and then returned with it? Give it up!
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As Nevill & June were awake and up, doubt he tried to hide it somewhere.
Suspect he loaded the rifle, then put it back in the gun cupboard.
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Why would he need to hide it when he knew where he left it and if one of the occupants moved it he would know it would be to the gun cupboard in the "den" which was all unsecured?
Are you for real? He took the rifle away with him and then returned with it? Give it up!
Cutie your doing my head in, hanging off my every posts, can't be doing with a pisshead on a wind up. Shoo.
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He may not have touched the rifle at all. But still had to go to supper to check on different things.
His WS with Nevill & June in the kitchen makes it less likely there would be a rifle & cartridge put and then left in the kitchen
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Cutie your doing my head in,hanging off my every posts, can't be doing with a pisshead on a wind up. Shoo.
Its a debating forum. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. It's not my prob if you shoot yourself in the foot eg NB used redial when the only phone with redial was taken away for repair on the morning of 6th Aug ;D
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Going by Bamber's WS.
Time spent - around 30 minutes.
Upon arrival June, Sheila and Nevill were in the kitchen. They were talking about options for Sheila. He had something to eat.
Rifle minus silencer and sights loaded to 8-10 bullets as had seen two rabbits outside.
Returned to kitchen after firing no shots. Sheila, June and Nevill were still there. No one seemed distressed.
Magazine and bullets taken out of rifle & left in kitchen.
Rifle left in kitchen.
Neither Nevill or June told him to put rifle, magazine or bullets back in gun cupboard.
It all sounds so plausible, and of course there's no need to lie in relating the summary of his life hitherto. He omits his parents' displeasure at his choice of partner in Sue Ford and June's possible threat of disinheritance. Some points regarding their relationship are broached in the September 1985 interrogations.
"No-one appeared distressed and everyone appeared happy." Again, no reason to embellish or plant seeds of discord before he left for the night, although at some point farm secretary Barbara Wilson telephoned regarding a children's bicycle and related she thought she had interrupted an argument.
There's also the ECG comment about Sheila, which is not on record as therapy she ever received. However, as I say, the statement is measured, Jeremy hasn't lost control, a trait one might think runs through his whole demeanour at least on the exterior. He mentions unnecessarily that he in the "only son" and gets out of the way early on the foreign trips freeloading, later balanced by the long hours he had put in at the farm, though done with a malevolent ulterior motive in mind.
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What is not plausible is Bamber leaving the rifle, bullets & a magazine in the kitchen while Nevill & June are there.
He would put it back in the gun cupboard. Or be told to by June or Nevill.
Then neither Nevill or June putting these away although they knew these were there.
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Going to shoot rabbits after having something to eat is also not plausible.
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What is not plausible is Bamber leaving the rifle, bullets & a magazine in the kitchen while Nevill & June are there.
He would put it back in the gun cupboard. Or be told to by June or Nevill.
Then neither Nevill or June putting these away although they knew these were there.
Was there a lock on the gun cupboard? We are told constantly Nevill was careful about firearms, having been involved in an accident some years back.
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Going to shoot rabbits after having something to eat is also not possible.
Why?
He had a ham sandwich, not a three course meal and two bottles of wine.
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Why?
He had a ham sandwich, not a three course meal and two bottles of wine.
Because the rabbits would have gone.
Have you got a source for the ham sandwich?
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Because the rabbits would have gone.
Have you got a source for the ham sandwich?
Bambers WS.
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Bambers WS.
Not the one I put up on this thread.
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Was there a lock on the gun cupboard? We are told constantly Nevill was careful about firearms, having been involved in an accident some years back.
CC said there was no lock.
If there was, suspect Bamber had a key. Were some of the weapons his?
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CC said there was no lock.
If there was, suspect Bamber had a key. Were some of the weapons his?
I don't think they were. Didn't he enquire about getting one from the Eatons? That's always the risk on farms with firearms and mental health issues. Impossible to ban them as was the case after the Dunblane massacre perpetrated by Thomas Hamilton.
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CC said there was no lock.
If there was, suspect Bamber had a key. Were some of the weapons his?
No, all owned by Nevill. Jez never had a firearm certificate.
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CC said there was no lock.
If there was, suspect Bamber had a key. Were some of the weapons his?
There was no lock, easy access.
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Not the one I put up on this thread.
Have discussed the rabbit story before.
For me him seeing them from a kitchen window relies on it either still being light outside or the grounds being illuminated by a spotlight of some sort.
If it was darkness he would not see rabbits from the kitchen window with the light on inside without the grounds being lit.
But rabbits are invasive to farm crops so not a fanciful story in that sense. But after a 14 hour shift I would want to be getting in my car and going home not undertaking a task at that hour. But we're all different.
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Have discussed the rabbit story before.
For me him seeing them from a kitchen window relies on it either still being light outside or the grounds being illuminated by a spotlight of some sort.
If it was darkness he would not see rabbits from the kitchen window with the light on inside without the grounds being lit.
But rabbits are invasive to farm crops so not a fanciful story in that sense. But after a 14 hour shift I would want to be getting in my car and going home not undertaking a task at that hour. But we're all different.
Thought he testified he saw rabbits when walking to WHF. All he would see from the kitchen window at that time would be his own reflection.
Please supply the source he had a ham sandwich.
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Thought he testified he saw rabbits when walking to WHF. All he would see from the kitchen window at that time would be his own reflection.
That is correct. Reference his reflection.
Reference the ham sandwich, one of the books and his 8.8.85 WS references his something to eat. It is on this site.
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He references seeing two rabbits while being in the kitchen.
Which means he must have spotted them out of the kitchen window. Or a window of some sort from the inside.
As said, it had to be light outside. Or the grounds illuminated. If it was dark all he would see is a reflection.
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He references seeing two rabbits while being in the kitchen.
Which means he must have spotted them out of the kitchen window. Or a window of some sort from the inside.
As said, it had to be light outside. Or the grounds illuminated. If it was dark all he would see is a reflection.
'In a hurry after just seeing some rabbits'.
That must mean from the kitchen window. He sure wasn't in a hurry before as he was eating!
He must have good eyes.
Thought the trial testimony had him saying he saw rabbits a long way away when walking to WHF.
Please supply the source that he had a ham sandwich. Third/final request.
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'In a hurry after just seeing some rabbits'.
That must mean from the kitchen window. He sure wasn't in a hurry before as he was eating!
He must have good eyes.
Thought the trial testimony had him saying he saw rabbits a long way away when walking to WHF.
Please supply the source that he had a ham sandwich. Third/final request.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
Weird request.
Doesn't really matter if he ate a packet of polo's or a Chinese takeaway.
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Weird request.
Doesn't really matter if he ate a packet of polo's or a Chinese takeaway.
Agree. You did keep mentioning a ham sandwich. So might as well see a source.
Seems June didn't make enough for four.
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Agree. You did keep mentioning a ham sandwich. So might as well see a source.
Seems June didn't make enough for four.
Whatever he ate he was ravenous hours later, cooking a poor man's breakfast in his microwave at bourtree.
Stan says he offered to cook him breakfast as well.
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I don't know his normal ritual after work in 1985.
Can't comment on what he would do or wouldn't do.
I would just want to get in my car and go home and have some me time.
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Was there a lock on the gun cupboard? We are told constantly Nevill was careful about firearms, having been involved in an accident some years back.
There was no lock. The rules about firearms in the 1980s were very different.
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Was there a lock on the gun cupboard? We are told constantly Nevill was careful about firearms, having been involved in an accident some years back.
You know there was no lock Steve, plus there were guns all over the place.
So this shows Nevil was not really in fear of JB taking a pop at him.
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Whatever he ate he was ravenous hours later, cooking a poor man's breakfast in his microwave at bourtree.
Stan says he offered to cook him breakfast as well.
Why bother indulging anyone with a response?
PB took ham to JB's the morning of 7th Aug. DB and JM fetched lunch for everyone at Bourtree from The Chequers on 7th Aug. Some people lose their appetite in certain circumstances some don't.
We never hear about the above just the bacon sarnie.
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You know there was no lock Steve, plus there were guns all over the place.
So this shows Nevil was not really in fear of JB taking a pop at him.
I didn't know or I wouldn't have asked. Nevill thought he might die in an accident during shooting season. Jeremy didn't sleep at White House Farm. Father did his best to save others, but was overpowered by a wicked and malevolent son.
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Why bother indulging anyone with a response?
PB took ham to JB's the morning of 7th Aug. DB and JM fetched lunch for everyone at Bourtree from The Chequers on 7th Aug. Some people lose their appetite in certain circumstances some don't.
We never hear about the above just the bacon sarnie.
Yes, thats a valid point, Cutie.
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Agree. You did keep mentioning a ham sandwich. So might as well see a source.
Seems June didn't make enough for four.
I would imagine it was a good cut. Don't imagine it was wafer thin prepacked from a supermarket. I wonder if he had some sort of relish with it :-\
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Yes, thats a valid point, Cutie.
And when AE went to Bourtree on 7th Aug she took with her milk, sugar, tea or coffee AND biscuits :o
AND she had just learned that Aunt June, Uncle Nevill, Sheila and the twins had been murdered/committed suicide. How could she possibly think about milk, sugar tea or coffee AND biscuits?
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Why bother indulging anyone with a response?
PB took ham to JB's the morning of 7th Aug. DB and JM fetched lunch for everyone at Bourtree from The Chequers on 7th Aug. Some people lose their appetite in certain circumstances some don't.
We never hear about the above just the bacon sarnie.
I'm piss taking cutie, I can do it the same as you can. I like having a laugh.
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A member of the raid team said there was a shot gun in the back office.
This with an unlocked gun cupboard must have been why Nevill was going downstairs.
This is why I disagree with ILB that Bamber let Nevill go downstairs while he shot June.
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He references seeing two rabbits while being in the kitchen.
Which means he must have spotted them out of the kitchen window. Or a window of some sort from the inside.
As said, it had to be light outside. Or the grounds illuminated. If it was dark all he would see is a reflection.
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How Colin has borne himself with dignity over the past forty years with all the challenge and adversity of life, reflecting on the despicable acts of that August morning, pining for his boys in the dead of night, keeping abreast of the latest twists and turns and legal machinations of Jeremy and his team. It's enough to make unhinged even the sanest man.
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There is also this thread:
.https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6531.msg292912.html#msg292912
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There is also this thread:
.https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6531.msg292912.html#msg292912
It might well have been the reason Nevill was short-tempered with Barbara that final evening, as he realized a rifle had gone missing.