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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on March 29, 2025, 12:44:PM
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Supporters believe Nevill made the following trade off -
Let Sheila go & stay upstairs with a loaded rifle. For a period of several minutes.
In the hope Bamber answers his phone & gets to WHF before things have escalated.
The crime scene shows the trade off did not work.
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This is not the defence scenario.
This is Nevill was shot in bed & then went downstairs to ring Bamber.
The prosecution saying he would not have been able to speak.
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This is not the defence scenario.
The defence scenario is " it wasn't Jez guv"
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A better trade off would have been -
Re claim the rifle while fully fit.
Sheila does not go upstairs with a loaded rifle.
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Supporters believe Nevill made the following trade off -
Let Sheila go & stay upstairs with a loaded rifle. For a period of several minutes.
In the hope Bamber answers his phone & gets to WHF before things have escalated.
The crime scene shows the trade off did not work.
You don't know because you were not there. No need for speculation when the soc evidence at WHF by way of blood stains/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks tells its story by way of facts.
It can be evidenced the perp was in the main bedroom shooting June when NB appeared on the landing at the entrance to the main bedroom and sustained his facial shots. This supports NB coming upstairs from the kitchen having called JB.
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This is not the defence scenario.
This is Nevill was shot in bed & then went downstairs to ring Bamber.
The prosecution saying he would not have been able to speak.
The fact the defence at trial was unable/unwilling to correctly interpret the soc evidence by way of blood stains/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks does not make it any less relevant. It is further evidence of a poor defence.
It can be evidenced the perp was in the main bedroom shooting June when NB appeared on the landing at the entrance to the main bedroom and sustained his facial shots. This supports NB coming upstairs from the kitchen having called JB.
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The fact the defence at trial was unable/unwilling to correctly interpret the soc evidence by way of blood stains/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks does not make it any less relevant. It is further evidence of a poor defence.
It can be evidenced the perp was in the main bedroom shooting June when NB appeared on the landing at the entrance to the main bedroom and sustained his facial shots. This supports NB coming upstairs from the kitchen having called JB.
Do you believe Nevill's trade off of letting Sheila go upstairs with a loaded rifle while he phoned Jeremy was the wrong choice?
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Do you believe Nevill's trade off of letting Sheila go upstairs with a loaded rifle while he phoned Jeremy was the wrong choice?
Does not matter what anyone believes. The soc evidence by way of blood stains/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks tells us to a large extent what happened.
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Does not matter what anyone believes. The soc evidence by way of blood stains/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks tells us to a large extent what happened.
Not sure why you keep mentioning your view of the soc evidence. I go by the police's.
Seems you don't believe Nevill's trade off decision was right.
I agree. Letting a woman go upstairs with a loaded rifle was wrong.
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Not sure why you keep mentioning your view of the soc evidence. I go by the police's.
Seems you don't believe Nevill's trade off decision was right.
I agree. Letting a woman go upstairs with a loaded rifle was wrong.
Take the rifle off her then go to bed ?
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Take the rifle off her then go to bed ?
What he does afterwards is up to him.
Certainly the wrong choice to let Sheila go upstairs with a rifle. While everyone else was surprisingly still sleeping.
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What he does afterwards is up to him.
Certainly the wrong choice to let Sheila go upstairs with a rifle. While everyone else was surprisingly still sleeping.
He didn't want the coppers at his door.
For a variety of reasons.
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He didn't want the coppers at his door.
For a variety of reasons.
So reclaim the rifle.
The trade off of letting Sheila go upstairs with a rifle so he could spend several minutes phoning Bamber was a surprising bad choice from Nevill.
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So reclaim the rifle.
The trade off of letting Sheila go upstairs with a rifle so he could spend several minutes phoning Bamber was a surprising bad choice from Nevill.
Uncomprising position.
One of Sheila's previous outburst scared a 40 odd year Iraninan guy witless so much so he was begging for Nevill to come and see to her.
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So reclaim the rifle.
The trade off of letting Sheila go upstairs with a rifle so he could spend several minutes phoning Bamber was a surprising bad choice from Nevill.
We are sat in armchairs looking at this.
Until you are caught up in the moment who knows?
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I do get Adams view on what Nevills disposition would be " give me that rifle shelia, I can't be arsed with this bollocks, grow up, I'm going to bed I'm tired "
It's probably an approach someone like me would take which would probably excaberate things.
Maybe he took a backward step and it went tit's up
Who knows.
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BW says around the time of the events NB was " looking increasingly frail " around the time of events " I thought he had cancer "
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I do get Adams view on what Nevills disposition would be " give me that rifle shelia, I can't be arsed with this bollocks, grow up, I'm going to bed I'm tired "
It's probably an approach someone like me would take which would probably excaberate things.
Maybe he took a backward step and it went tit's up
Who knows.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12507.0.html
It also relates to my recent thread on Sheila operating at 20%.
So not waking and picking up a rifle that 3 people had not put away in the first place. Let alone being able to stop Nevill.
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12507.0.html
It also relates to my recent thread on Sheila operating at 20%.
So not waking and picking up a rifle that 3 people had not put away in the first place. Let alone being able to stop Nevill.
Three people?
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12507.0.html
It also relates to my recent thread on Sheila operating at 20%.
So not waking and picking up a rifle that 3 people had not put away in the first place. Let alone being able to stop Nevill.
So why was Freddie so scared of 20% Sheila that he called Nevil for help?
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So why was Freddie so scared of 20% Sheila that he called Nevil for help?
A) He'd never previously experienced someone having a psychotic episode
B) Sheila wasn't his responsibility
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A) He'd never previously experienced someone having a psychotic episode
B) Sheila wasn't his responsibility
"I became extremely frightened not only for her but myself"
Luckily she was only at 20%!
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Three people?
Bamber, June, Nevill.
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"I became extremely frightened not only for her but myself"
Luckily she was only at 20%!
When was this?
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"I became extremely frightened not only for her but myself"
Luckily she was only at 20%!
I'm 100% certain he did................but it remains a fact that she never lay a finger on him, doesn't it?
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Bamber, June, Nevill.
June may have retired to bed.
Bamber said he left it out and went home.
That leaves Nevill who after a long day a few g n ts may have not have clocked it
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I'm 100% certain he did................but it remains a fact that she never lay a finger on him, doesn't it?
There wasn't to my knowledge a firearm involved.
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12507.0.html
It also relates to my recent thread on Sheila operating at 20%.
So not waking and picking up a rifle that 3 people had not put away in the first place. Let alone being able to stop Nevill.
Most likely possibility that Jeremy Bamber had to get the rifle from the scullery himself and load it under the cover of darkness or he may have switched the light on.
He may have thought had he left it out Nevill would clock it and put it back so decided not to bother getting it out in the first instance.
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He could have hid it somewhere I suppose, somewhere earlier in the day. He may from my perspective, as I believe he drove slung it In the boot of the car took it back to GH and loaded it there and returned in the car.
Risky though, if Nevill stumbled across it hidden He would immediately suspect something dodgy and if it's true he believed Bamber was intending to harm him first port of call would be Bamber.
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June may have retired to bed.
Bamber said he left it out and went home.
That leaves Nevill who after a long day a few g n ts may have not have clocked it
June was still up at 10.20pm. She took the phone away from Sheila.
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A) He'd never previously experienced someone having a psychotic episode
B) Sheila wasn't his responsibility
Never fully got the relationship between Freddy and Shelia, although it's described as platonic, I get the impression they were either lovers at some point.