Jeremy Bamber Forum
OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Other cases => Topic started by: nugnug on February 23, 2025, 08:23:PM
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angel of death or mojo victem
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14406775/Angel-Death-nurse-convicted-killing-pensioners-faulty-evidence-says-scientist.html
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angel of death or mojo victem
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14406775/Angel-Death-nurse-convicted-killing-pensioners-faulty-evidence-says-scientist.html
Currently being heard at Court of Appeal, nugs. Appeal started on 6/7th of this month and is expected to last 3/4 weeks. Michael Mansfield representing Colin Norris(now Campbell). Anyone who remembers the avalanche of MOJ's coming to light in the late 70's and early 80's is surely feeling a sense of deja vu right now.
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Currently being heard at Court of Appeal, nugs. Appeal started on 6/7th of this month and is expected to last 3/4 weeks. Michael Mansfield representing Colin Norris(now Campbell). Anyone who remembers the avalanche of MOJ's coming to light in the late 70's and early 80's is surely feeling a sense of deja vu right now.
I have always thought this bloke was totally innocent.
Similar to Jeremy, the red tops labelled him arrogant because he was prepared to stand up for himself and didn't take shit during questioning.
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I have always thought this bloke was totally innocent.
Similar to Jeremy, the red tops labelled him arrogant because he was prepared to stand up for himself and didn't take shit during questioning.
Perfectly put ;D
If his conviction is overturned, CCRC will have managed to wade into even deeper shit given that it took them ten years to investigate from application to referral. The Court of Appeal don't fare much better, ILB, having taken over four years since referral to hear the Appeal.
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Perfectly put ;D
If his conviction is overturned, CCRC will have managed to wade into even deeper shit given that it took them ten years to investigate from application to referral. The Court of Appeal don't fare much better, ILB, having taken over four years since referral to hear the Appeal.
I saw the documentary some years back from memory he was on bail for a few years and worked as a travel agent.
There was also a documentary by Mark Daly of the BBC on the case.
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I saw the documentary some years back from memory he was on bail for a few years and worked as a travel agent.
There was also a documentary by Mark Daly of the BBC on the case.
It's here: https://youtu.be/wL666gDzPEg
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I have always thought this bloke was totally innocent.
Similar to Jeremy, the red tops labelled him arrogant because he was prepared to stand up for himself and didn't take shit during questioning.
Insulin autoimmune syndrome.
I'm not sure I believe in it myself.
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I have always thought this bloke was totally innocent.
Similar to Jeremy, the red tops labelled him arrogant because he was prepared to stand up for himself and didn't take shit during questioning.
https://www.colinnorris.org/_files/ugd/116311_d4455f88b8a343818e35f2fbc9ae8952.pdf
Interesting and informative read. The few partial interview transcripts that are quoted show Norris to be a confident, co-operative witness who is prepared to stand up for himself, which is translated to "arrogant" in tabloid speak, as you say. If this conviction is overturned, it will have repercussions on other cases and in how "expert" evidence is presented to the court, in my view.
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https://www.colinnorris.org/_files/ugd/116311_d4455f88b8a343818e35f2fbc9ae8952.pdf
Interesting and informative read. The few partial interview transcripts that are quoted show Norris to be a confident, co-operative witness who is prepared to stand up for himself, which is translated to "arrogant" in tabloid speak, as you say. If this conviction is overturned, it will have repercussions on other cases and in how "expert" evidence is presented to the court, in my view.
"Whenever I do nights someone dies..it's usually in the mornings..about 5:15am."
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"Whenever I do nights someone dies..it's usually in the mornings..about 5:15am."
The patient in question (Ethel Hall) didn’t die at “about 5.15” though, Steve. She died weeks later. What is the relevance of this “not even circumstantial” or evidence? The medical evidence used to convict him is discredited and this will be demonstrated in the COA. Have a read of the booklet linked.
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The patient in question (Ethel Hall) didn’t die at “about 5.15” though, Steve. She died weeks later. What is the relevance of this “not even circumstantial” or evidence? The medical evidence used to convict him is discredited and this will be demonstrated in the COA. Have a read of the booklet linked.
He would inject patients with insulin shortly before he went off shift and leave others to pick up the pieces. I'm not sure why there is renewed interest in this serial killer. Maybe the prison warders have become sympathetic to him after memories fade of the crimes he committed.
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He would inject patients with insulin shortly before he went off shift and leave others to pick up the pieces. I'm not sure why there is renewed interest in this serial killer. Maybe the prison warders have become sympathetic to him after memories fade of the crimes he committed.
You’re not sure why there is renewed interest. It is currently at the COA, Steve. It will probably be overturned.
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You’re not sure why there is renewed interest. It is currently at the COA, Steve. It will probably be overturned.
They've had a high turnover of prison warders in recent years, haven't they?
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The patient in question (Ethel Hall) didn’t die at “about 5.15” though, Steve. She died weeks later. What is the relevance of this “not even circumstantial” or evidence? The medical evidence used to convict him is discredited and this will be demonstrated in the COA. Have a read of the booklet linked.
There's some ambiguity between the Wikipedia page and the following documentary around the 21:00 mark: https://youtu.be/hakgangq1qo
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There's some ambiguity between the Wikipedia page and the following documentary around the 21:00 mark: https://youtu.be/hakgangq1qo
There is no ambiguity, Steve. The so called "documentary" that you link is "true crime drama" bullshit. You rely on information from the any source that confirms your own knee-jerk bigotry. In the booklet linked earlier in the thread the type of misinformation spread by "true crime" drama and the those who watch them was specifically referenced;
ITV Real Crime
"In 2008, ITV broadcast a 45 minute film Angel of Death
about Colin. The programme has been repeated on
Freeview channels and is easily available on internet
sites.
Angel of Death comprised a welter of inaccurate,
unsubstantiated claims about Colin and the facts of
his case concentrating solely on WYP’s distorted
version of events. These included the fiction that early
police enquiries on the wards led them to arrest
Colin. No evidence exists to support this assertion.
The film omitted mention of the defence case. Instead,
a psychiatrist who had never met Colin opined at
length how he could tell he was guilty purely from is
‘body language’ in filmed police interviews. Likewise,
Det. Ch. Supt Chris Gregg never met Colin but was
able to expound extensively about his supposed
innermost thoughts.
The ‘facts’ broadcast in this film are often deployed to
disparage Colin on social media. The dissemination
of misinformation about Colin’s case is particularly
prevalent among followers of the current fashion for
so-called ‘true crime’ stories."
Ethel Hall's death was 3 weeks after the so called 5.15 prediction. There is no ambivalence. True Crime you-tube videos are not sufficient grounding for opining and debating on possible MOJ's, Steve. You have demonstrated this in spades.
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Closing submissions in the Colin Norris/Campbell appeal are Wed 4th and Thurs 5th. One way or the other we will know imminently. An overturning of the conviction will have repercussions throughout the Criminal Justice system, in my opinion. There have been calls for reform and much discussion around the way that complex medical/scientific evidence is presented in trials. From the earlier linked booklet again below;
Lessons
Colin Norris’ case raises important questions.
• Conclusion-driven police investigations carry
an inherent risk that a miscarriage of justice
will occur. Investigators are statutorily
required to ‘pursue all reasonable lines of inquiry,
whether these point towards or away from the
suspect’29. Throughout the five years Operation
Bevil was in existence, senior police repeatedly
ignored this duty leading to the wrongful
conviction of an innocent man,
• The adversarial English criminal trial provides
an ineffective forum for testing complex
medico-scientific evidence. In 2013, the Law
Commission proposed pre-trial hearings be
established to assess the reliability of expert
evidence. Had such a system been in place in
2008, the paucity of research into non-diabetic
hypoglycaemia would have been apparent.
The proposal was supported on all sides of the
criminal justice system including prosecution
and defence lawyers. The then Secretary of
State for Justice (Christopher Grayling)
peremptorily dismissed the proposal on the
spurious ground that it would cost too much.
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There is no ambiguity, Steve. The so called "documentary" that you link is "true crime drama" bullshit. You rely on information from the any source that confirms your own knee-jerk bigotry. In the booklet linked earlier in the thread the type of misinformation spread by "true crime" drama and the those who watch them was specifically referenced;
ITV Real Crime
"In 2008, ITV broadcast a 45 minute film Angel of Death
about Colin. The programme has been repeated on
Freeview channels and is easily available on internet
sites.
Angel of Death comprised a welter of inaccurate,
unsubstantiated claims about Colin and the facts of
his case concentrating solely on WYP’s distorted
version of events. These included the fiction that early
police enquiries on the wards led them to arrest
Colin. No evidence exists to support this assertion.
The film omitted mention of the defence case. Instead,
a psychiatrist who had never met Colin opined at
length how he could tell he was guilty purely from is
‘body language’ in filmed police interviews. Likewise,
Det. Ch. Supt Chris Gregg never met Colin but was
able to expound extensively about his supposed
innermost thoughts.
The ‘facts’ broadcast in this film are often deployed to
disparage Colin on social media. The dissemination
of misinformation about Colin’s case is particularly
prevalent among followers of the current fashion for
so-called ‘true crime’ stories."
Ethel Hall's death was 3 weeks after the so called 5.15 prediction. There is no ambivalence. True Crime you-tube videos are not sufficient grounding for opining and debating on possible MOJ's, Steve. You have demonstrated this in spades.
There's more to the case than Ethel Hall. Let's wait and see.