Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Cambridgecutie on February 10, 2025, 09:42:PM
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Yes imo.
We know that her interviews with DS Jones did not follow protocol. Eg she was placed in the police training college without access to a solicitor and 'advised' not to speak with anyone on the outside. She was apparently supervised at all times.
DS Jones was a middle aged experienced police officer with decades under his belt. JM was a just turned 21 year old female.
I believe he made all sorts of threats about JM going down as an accessory on the basis JB called her before the police insinuating JM was aware of JB's plans. Putting to her SC could not have shot herself twice. Plus she was involved in OCP burglary and the selling of cannabis with JB. And the cheque fraud with SB.
"The Milgram experiment was a series of social psychology experiments that demonstrated how people can be forced to obey orders from an authority figure, even if those orders go against their own conscience".
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The treacherous SJ.
Firstly fabricating the silencer. Then weaponising JM.
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The treacherous SJ.
Firstly fabricating the silencer. Then weaponising JM.
You can say that again!
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SJ may have said those things. Or something similar. As they were true.
She needed to tell the truth or could be charged if Bamber was charged. The police were also gathering evidence against Bamber.
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I doubt SJ had to try too hard. She had approached the police & already told 5 people.
It would be more a case of SJ monitoring Julie to make a decision on whether he thought she was telling the truth.
If he thought she may be lying, he would put pressure on her to see if she retracts.
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Whether SJ pressurised Julie or monitored her to see if she may be lying, things moved forward quickly.
A 23 page WS was completed within 24 hours.
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Mugford is the author of her own demise if he walks free as reiterated earlier. She was over 18.
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Mugford is the author of her own demise if he walks free as reiterated earlier. She was over 18.
If he walked free on a technicality, it would not mean her WS & testimony was wrong.
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SJ may have said those things. Or something similar. As they were true.
She needed to tell the truth or could be charged if Bamber was charged. The police were also gathering evidence against Bamber.
No they were not true! The pathologist made it clear SC could have shot herself twice. And in the absence of digital footprints timings of phone calls are approx. DS Jones' mindset on these aspects can be seen from JB's interviews. Contrast the interview set up between JB and JM in terms of venue, solicitor in attendance, verbatim transcripts.
She needed to work with DS Jones on his truth to save her skin.
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I doubt SJ had to try too hard. She had approached the police & already told 5 people.
It would be more a case of SJ monitoring Julie to make a decision on whether he thought she was telling the truth.
If he thought she may be lying, he would put pressure on her to see if she retracts.
There's no evidence she approached the police after her statement of 8th Aug.
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Mugford is the author of her own demise if he walks free as reiterated earlier. She was over 18.
Not if police protocol was not followed.
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Mugford is the author of her own demise if he walks free as reiterated earlier. She was over 18.
Do you think Sarah Everard was the author of her own demise by getting into a police car when she was told to do so by a serving police officer?
You claim to be a reformed criminal who has spent time in prisons housing cat A. I can tell you that young law abiding females will obey what they are told to do by a serving police officer. It would not enter their head that an officer would have ulterior motives. In the case of Wayne Couzens sexual and in the case of DS Jones securing a conviction against JB to prove himself right.
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Do you think Sarah Everard was the author of her own demise by getting into a police car when she was told to do so by a serving police officer?
You claim to be a reformed criminal who has spent time in prisons housing cat A. I can tell you that young law abiding females will obey what they are told to do by a serving police officer. It would not enter their head that an officer would have ulterior motives. In the case of Wayne Couzens sexual and in the case of DS Jones securing a conviction against JB to prove himself right.
How the hell can you draw a comparison between Sarah Everard and Julie Mugford?
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How the hell can you draw a comparison between Sarah Everard and Julie Mugford?
Obeying orders given by serving police officers.
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Obeying orders given by serving police officers.
Mugford approached DS Jones.
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Mugford approached DS Jones.
You have no evidence whatsoever for this.
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You have no evidence whatsoever for this.
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As said if evidence comes to light of DS Jones threatening Mugford the spiel that was said, I stand corrected.
It has been 40 years.
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Exactly. No evidence.
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Exactly. No evidence.
Plenty of evidence.
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As said if evidence comes to light of DS Jones threatening Mugford the spiel that was said, I stand corrected.
It has been 40 years.
Stan Jones was aware of many facts of the crime that are contrary to what Julie later claimed.
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Plenty of evidence.
Stop being silly. A typed excerpt is not evidence of anything. Where are the digital time stamps in terms of calls made/received? Where are the tape recordings of interviews? Where are the verbatim transcripts signed in the presence of a solicitor?
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Stop being silly. A typed excerpt is not evidence of anything. Where are the digital time stamps in terms of calls made/received? Where are the tape recordings of interviews? Where are the verbatim transcripts signed in the presence of a solicitor?
Agree with this where are they?
However I doubt you'd uncover any tape recordings. PACE 1984 wasn't been practiced and didn't come into effect until after. Hence JB wasn't on record.
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Agree with this where are they?
However I doubt you'd uncover any tape recordings. PACE 1984 wasn't been practiced and didn't come into effect until after. Hence JB wasn't on record.
JB's interviews were conducted in the presence of a solicitor.
Surely anyone and everyone can see what went on based on her 2002 wit stats?
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JB's interviews were conducted in the presence of a solicitor.
JB was under caution and was being interviewed due to being suspected of murdering 5 people.
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JB was under caution and was being interviewed due to being suspected of murdering 5 people.
Yes but they are reliable in terms of what was said wasn't said as a solicitor was present.
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No they were not true! The pathologist made it clear SC could have shot herself twice. And in the absence of digital footprints timings of phone calls are approx. DS Jones' mindset on these aspects can be seen from JB's interviews. Contrast the interview set up between JB and JM in terms of venue, solicitor in attendance, verbatim transcripts.
She needed to work with DS Jones on his truth to save her skin.
The police were certainly suspiscious by the 8th September 1985.
Forensic evidence was being processed. Not just on the silencer. But on other things showing Sheila was not the killer.
The relatives had been pressuring Taff. Assume Ainsley had taken over.
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SJ would have told Julie withholding evidence is a serious offence.
He would have also told her if she now starts offerring new information which is false, that is just as serious.
Her 23 page WS was then completed within 24 hours.
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Not sure if SJ would have been allowed to tell Julie that Bamber or anyone else was a suspect.
He may have just been allowed to say the investigation is still ongoing.