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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Bubo bubo on July 29, 2023, 11:03:AM
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Now your getting silly.
It is a big house, maybe she was able to avoid her or by locking herself in a room for safety. Read my take on the box room. You can find it using the search facility. Maybe she was shot a few times anyway. We cannot know. Maybe she was able to evade her because SC ran out of Ammunition.
I do not know she may have been being ultra defensive because of pain or shock. She may have shouldered a weapon ready to shoot when she heard voices. We cannot know.
The Box Room
This room as a sanctuary has unique qualities. Firstly, it has two exit/entry points. If pursued via one you could duck out through another. Both doors could be lockable to say, prevent anyone from the twin’s room entering and disturbing sleep. It was large but without photographs we do not know how much space there was or whether there were objects inside you could hide behind.
Perhaps the most important feature was the positioning and opening direction of the doors. No one can enter at either point without being fully exposed. There is no cover from a door. If someone is in there with a loaded weapon (Say a rifle or shotgun) you would be a sitting duck upon entry.
It is possible that Sheila was in the box room in the early stages. Nevill and June dare not enter. She may have been saying stuff such as “You will not take my boys away from me” If you try I will shoot you. In such circumstances Nevill and June could have descended to the kitchen to phone JB. It also meant that June was aware that it provided a place of relative safety.
It is possible that an uninjured or lightly wounded June could have remained in the box room for an extended period of time.
It is therefore possible for June to be alive and not responding to police requests for actions and was still alive when the TFG made entry.
We cannot know what events took place after JB left and the TFG entry but there are lots of possibilities.
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Why don't you just accept the 38 year old crime scene evidence?
Both the defence and prosecution did at trial. Both guilters and supporters do although interpret it in different ways.
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There is no way an instant military esq re staging could be done before the photographer arrived which so perfectly framed Bamber.
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The crime scene evidence is June was intially shot 5 times in bed.
Which is not surprising. It was around 1.30am.
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June was also found bare footed in a nightie.
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I guess it was Ayahuasca tea for breakfast then?
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I guess it was Ayahuasca tea for breakfast then?
I couldn't do anything like that now. I would end up in a padded cell.
BTW, please pack it in David. I've already asked once.
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There is no way an instant military esq re staging could be done before the photographer arrived which so perfectly framed Bamber.
He helped with the staging. The Soco made small changes to ensure the final set up was good. Like moving SC a little. That is why some of the TFG statements make reference to small changes from what they remembered.
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The crime scene evidence is June was intially shot 5 times in bed.
Which is not surprising. It was around 1.30am.
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I have already shown this to be debatable. Moving a few bullets and casings to set the scene for their fairy story was easy and they could even have created new paperwork when they framed JB. The problem as I have stated many times is that the crime scene only works for the original story to be told it does not work when a additional adult is in the picture. EP were lumbered with the photos for the original story which is why they withheld some strips and when that did not work cut the strips to fit the point that was being investigated.
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June was also found bare footed in a nightie.
Do you not change your clothes when you go to bed?
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The Box Room
This room as a sanctuary has unique qualities. Firstly, it has two exit/entry points. If pursued via one you could duck out through another. Both doors could be lockable to say, prevent anyone from the twin’s room entering and disturbing sleep. It was large but without photographs we do not know how much space there was or whether there were objects inside you could hide behind.
Perhaps the most important feature was the positioning and opening direction of the doors. No one can enter at either point without being fully exposed. There is no cover from a door. If someone is in there with a loaded weapon (Say a rifle or shotgun) you would be a sitting duck upon entry.
It is possible that Sheila was in the box room in the early stages. Nevill and June dare not enter. She may have been saying stuff such as “You will not take my boys away from me” If you try I will shoot you. In such circumstances Nevill and June could have descended to the kitchen to phone JB. It also meant that June was aware that it provided a place of relative safety.
It is possible that an uninjured or lightly wounded June could have remained in the box room for an extended period of time.
It is therefore possible for June to be alive and not responding to police requests for actions and was still alive when the TFG made entry.
We cannot know what events took place after JB left and the TFG entry but there are lots of possibilities.
How are you going to set about proving anyone was suggesting Sheila's children should be removed? You say "We cannot know.......................after JB left and the TFG entry.........." and you're correct, but neither do we know what took place once the door to WHF was closed around the family group having supper. There is only JB's word.
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How are you going to set about proving anyone was suggesting Sheila's children should be removed? You say "We cannot know.......................after JB left and the TFG entry.........." and you're correct, but neither do we know what took place once the door to WHF was closed around the family group having supper. There is only JB's word.
Think there's something about the social worker statements on the Ainsley thread. Not Zoso's but my much earlier posting up of Bill's work. I think Bubo posted up a link to it a few weeks back. I'm not saying this is proof. Merely that it may be relevant.
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How are you going to set about proving anyone was suggesting Sheila's children should be removed? You say "We cannot know.......................after JB left and the TFG entry.........." and you're correct, but neither do we know what took place once the door to WHF was closed around the family group having supper. There is only JB's word.
Of course you are correct but the point I am making, which you have yet again side stepped, is that is possible that June was alive when the TFG entered.
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I have already shown this to be debatable. Moving a few bullets and casings to set the scene for their fairy story was easy and they could even have created new paperwork when they framed JB. The problem as I have stated many times is that the crime scene only works for the original story to be told it does not work when a additional adult is in the picture. EP were lumbered with the photos for the original story which is why they withheld some strips and when that did not work cut the strips to fit the point that was being investigated.
There is no evidence bullet casings were moved.
The locations match June being shot in bed. Where June's blood is.
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Do you not change your clothes when you go to bed?
I do. Then I get into bed and sleep.
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Of course you are correct but the point I am making, which you have yet again side stepped, is that is possible that June was alive when the TFG entered.
There is no evidence June was alive when the TFG entered.
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Think there's something about the social worker statements on the Ainsley thread. Not Zoso's but my much earlier posting up of Bill's work. I think Bubo posted up a link to it a few weeks back. I'm not saying this is proof. Merely that it may be relevant.
Do not remember could you be a little more specific. Thanks.
Aha I think you may mean this.
One of the most serious acts of deception by Ainsley was over the issue of foster-care for the twins. The fact was that Sheila had used foster care previously and it was being considered again. Ainsley had statements made by foster carers but these were only in a hand written form and were not typed up and not produced as evidence. None of the foster carers were called to give evidence at Trial in an attempt to undermine Jeremy and depict him as lying about the issue.
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Of course you are correct but the point I am making, which you have yet again side stepped, is that is possible that June was alive when the TFG entered.
I'm just wondering if you'd get responses more acceptable to you if you asked a question as opposed to stating a fact/making a claim?
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There is no evidence June was alive when the TFG entered.
And no evidence she was dead but we only have pictures and no TOD from the pathologist.
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I'm just wondering if you'd get responses more acceptable to you if you asked a question as opposed to stating a fact/making a claim?
I am not making a claim only stating a genuine possibility.
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And no evidence she was dead but we only have pictures and no TOD from the pathologist.
We have photos and the TFG who said she was dead upon entrance.
There was no contact from inside WHF and the evidence is the bullets in June were from the murder weapon.
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Do not remember could you be a little more specific. Thanks.
Aha I think you may mean this.
One of the most serious acts of deception by Ainsley was over the issue of foster-care for the twins. The fact was that Sheila had used foster care previously and it was being considered again. Ainsley had statements made by foster carers but these were only in a hand written form and were not typed up and not produced as evidence. None of the foster carers were called to give evidence at Trial in an attempt to undermine Jeremy and depict him as lying about the issue.
Ainsley? Deception? Is this fact or something conjured up by the CT? You must be aware that Colin had joint custody of the twins. Is the term "foster care", which is more likely to be long term and overnight care, being used instead of child minding/day care? If this is the case, they'd be unlikely to be called. Again, is it not strange that not one of these alleged 'foster carers' has ever come forward?
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We have photos and the TFG who said she was dead upon entrance.
There was no contact from inside WHF and the evidence is the bullets in June were from the murder weapon.
They would say that wouldn't they. Yes the bullets were from the Anschutz except the one that killed her which was disguised as previously explained. It is possible that she had been shot up to five times by SC. If they shot her that makes six and adding a seventh to distract from the kill shot would not be beyond the realms of possibility. Adding shots to someone you have just killed to cover your tracks is indeed possible if you are in the proverbial 'shit'.
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Ainsley? Deception? Is this fact or something conjured up by the CT? You must be aware that Colin had joint custody of the twins. Is the term "foster care", which is more likely to be long term and overnight care, being used instead of child minding/day care? If this is the case, they'd be unlikely to be called. Again, is it not strange that not one of these alleged 'foster carers' has ever come forward?
Over to you Bill and Roch
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They would say that wouldn't they. Yes the bullets were from the Anschutz except the one that killed her which was disguised as previously explained. It is possible that she had been shot up to five times by SC. If they shot her that makes six and adding a seventh to distract from the kill shot would not be beyond the realms of possibility. Adding shots to someone you have just killed to cover your tracks is indeed possible if you are in the proverbial 'shit'.
Yes they would say that. Because it was the case.
Bamber shot June 5 times in bed. Then twice more after returning upstairs as June had moved.
As the crime scene evidence shows.
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Yes they would say that. Because it was the case.
Bamber shot June 5 times in bed. Then twice more after returning upstairs as June had moved.
As the crime scene evidence shows.
If your happy to believe that then more fool you. I think it was a cover-up
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If your happy to believe that then more fool you. I think it was a cover-up
There is no evidence of a cover up. Espescially no evidence of a total re staging of the crime scene.
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There is no evidence of a cover up. Espescially no evidence of a total re staging of the crime scene.
That is because they did a pretty good but not perfect job. When you dig deep you can see problems and inconsistencies in the story and the physical evidence. Even PV said JB would have to have been a nutter to stage it that way. For someone who had been planning this for months the execution of the plan was piss poor. As a cover up it is near but not quite perfect.
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There is no evidence of a total re staging of the crime scene.
One thing's for sure. If Jeremy Bamber restaged Sheila, her blood must have already been dry.
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That is because they did a pretty good but not perfect job. When you dig deep you can see problems and inconsistencies in the story and the physical evidence. Even PV said JB would have to have been a nutter to stage it that way. For someone who had been planning this for months the execution of the plan was piss poor. As a cover up it is near but not quite perfect.
Digging deep you may find a spelling mistake on a WS.
How did PV say Bamber should have staged it?
Who was the leader of the crime scene re stage? He would have needed a lot of instant co operation.
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The Box Room
This room as a sanctuary has unique qualities. Firstly, it has two exit/entry points. If pursued via one you could duck out through another. Both doors could be lockable to say, prevent anyone from the twin’s room entering and disturbing sleep. It was large but without photographs we do not know how much space there was or whether there were objects inside you could hide behind.
Perhaps the most important feature was the positioning and opening direction of the doors. No one can enter at either point without being fully exposed. There is no cover from a door. If someone is in there with a loaded weapon (Say a rifle or shotgun) you would be a sitting duck upon entry.
It is possible that Sheila was in the box room in the early stages. Nevill and June dare not enter. She may have been saying stuff such as “You will not take my boys away from me” If you try I will shoot you. In such circumstances Nevill and June could have descended to the kitchen to phone JB. It also meant that June was aware that it provided a place of relative safety.
It is possible that an uninjured or lightly wounded June could have remained in the box room for an extended period of time.
It is therefore possible for June to be alive and not responding to police requests for actions and was still alive when the TFG made entry.
We cannot know what events took place after JB left and the TFG entry but there are lots of possibilities.
Why would the parents telephone Jeremy?
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Think there's something about the social worker statements on the Ainsley thread. Not Zoso's but my much earlier posting up of Bill's work. I think Bubo posted up a link to it a few weeks back. I'm not saying this is proof. Merely that it may be relevant.
There is nothing wildly detrimental in any of these statements. Sheila may have been slow to call for medical opinion if Daniel and Nicholas became ill was the top and bottom of the worst allegation.
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That is because they did a pretty good but not perfect job. When you dig deep you can see problems and inconsistencies in the story and the physical evidence. Even PV said JB would have to have been a nutter to stage it that way. For someone who had been planning this for months the execution of the plan was piss poor. As a cover up it is near but not quite perfect.
I'm afraid that's exactly how many of us regard him.
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I'm afraid that's exactly how many of us regard him.
Despite all the medical psychological and psychiatric reports by experts who have assessed him over the last 37 years and classed him normal. Do guilters class themselves as medical experts as well as mind readers
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Why would the parents telephone Jeremy?
Their efforts had proved fruitless in calming SC and they needed help. Why not call her step brother especially since a firearm was now involved and he could arrive much more quickly than the police and NB wanted to keep up appearances if at all possible.
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Their efforts had proved fruitless in calming SC and they needed help. Why not call her step brother especially since a firearm was now involved and he could arrive much more quickly than the police and NB wanted to keep up appearances if at all possible.
Nevill would just take the rifle off Sheila.
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Despite all the medical psychological and psychiatric reports by experts who have assessed him over the last 37 years and classed him normal. Do guilters class themselves as medical experts as well as mind readers
Has he had a brain scan? Anyone with an ounce of nous, especially someone who attended Gresham's School, can fool the "experts".
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He is an inheritance killer. One clinical, grusome hour inside WHF would set him up for life.
He was not a serial killer.
So not surprising experts could find nothing wrong.
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Their efforts had proved fruitless in calming SC and they needed help. Why not call her step brother especially since a firearm was now involved and he could arrive much more quickly than the police and NB wanted to keep up appearances if at all possible.
They were not stepbrother and stepsister, but leaving that aside Jeremy could have done nothing to calm tensions and Nevill and June would have been the first to know this.
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There were farm workers 50 yards away.
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Has he had a brain scan? Anyone with an ounce of nous, especially someone who attended Gresham's School, can fool the "experts".
Why would he have a Brain scan?
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Why would he have a Brain scan?
It detects brain abnormalities in the amygdala. I've read various internet stories over the years: June dropped Jeremy on the head as a baby, Jeremy sustained a head injury riding down a bannister on a tin tray at White House Farm, Jeremy failed a scuba diving medical in New Zealand, to name but three.
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They were not stepbrother and stepsister, but leaving that aside Jeremy could have done nothing to calm tensions and Nevill and June would have been the first to know this.
Mind reading again
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It detects brain abnormalities in the amygdala. I've read various internet stories over the years: June dropped Jeremy on the head as a baby, Jeremy sustained a head injury riding down a bannister on a tin tray at White House Farm, Jeremy failed a scuba diving medical in New Zealand, to name but three.
But he had not suffered to my knowledge any types of " seizures" migraines etc to get a scan. He lived life unaffected by any type of neuroligcal problem.
A guy fighting what he claims to be a miscarriage of justice would never go for a scam on his brain. It's tantamount to " let's see if there's something up there that made me do this "
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We can safely say he never had something detrimental or malignant nuerological wise. The crime happened in 1985 and he is still alive and kicking and in good health aged 62 today...
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It detects brain abnormalities in the amygdala. I've read various internet stories over the years: June dropped Jeremy on the head as a baby, Jeremy sustained a head injury riding down a bannister on a tin tray at White House Farm, Jeremy failed a scuba diving medical in New Zealand, to name but three.
More gross speculation. I am a qualified open water diver. Was trained by an ex navy seal from the australian navy there are many reasons for failing the criteria.
Medical Conditions That Can Prevent You Scuba Diving
Behavioural Health
Cardiovascular
Neurological
Pulmonary
Gastrointestinal
Haematological
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Mind reading again
Sheila was afraid of Jeremy. She passed the telephone to Colin at the party the previous Saturday after dialling his number. Jeremy himself confirmed post-murders standing outside the Farm that they didn't get on. Nevill suspected his son was out to kill him; June moped around the house writing phylacteries as solace for her desolate predicament. They both suspected their son's involvement in the Osea Road break in.
I find it very difficult to imagine any domestic situation where Jeremy Bamber could have been of the slightest assistance.
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More gross speculation. I am a qualified open water diver. Was trained by an ex navy seal from the australian navy there are many reasons for failing the criteria.
Medical Conditions That Can Prevent You Scuba Diving
Behavioural Health
Cardiovascular
Neurological
Pulmonary
Gastrointestinal
Haematological
I'm quite prepared to admit the three scenarios are anecdotal. However I have read that Jeremy has refused a brain scan, which could indicate whether there is some abnormality which presaged the tragedy.
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Sheila was afraid of Jeremy. She passed the telephone to Colin at the party the previous Saturday after dialling his number. Jeremy himself confirmed post-murders standing outside the Farm that they didn't get on. Nevill suspected his son was out to kill him; June moped around the house writing phylacteries as solace for her desolate predicament. They both suspected their son's involvement in the Osea Road break in.
I find it very difficult to imagine any domestic situation where Jeremy Bamber could have been of the slightest assistance.
I don't think she was overly afraid of him. He probably wound her up. I both think they had separate life's and mixed in different circles . Not uncommon
In all aspects of the case it's a general fact that Shelia and Jeremy were not close.
Barbara Wilson herself says it was a rarity when she saw both brother and sister together
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More gross speculation. I am a qualified open water diver. Was trained by an ex navy seal from the australian navy there are many reasons for failing the criteria.
Medical Conditions That Can Prevent You Scuba Diving
Behavioural Health
Cardiovascular
Neurological
Pulmonary
Gastrointestinal
Haematological
Epilepsy and Narcolepsy ect
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I'm quite prepared to admit the three scenarios are anecdotal. However I have read that Jeremy has refused a brain scan, which could indicate whether there is some abnormality which presaged the tragedy.
Over the garden fence tittle tattle. Source please
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I don't think she was overly afraid of him. He probably wound her up. I both think they had separate life's and mixed in different circles . Not uncommon
In all aspects of the case it's a general fact that Shelia and Jeremy were not close.
Barbara Wilson herself says it was a rarity when she saw both brother and sister together
They both went to boarding schools as children and SC lived in London JB would visit her there. I do not know if BW went with him. He went abroad and she rarely visited once she was married because Colin did not want the twins to be caught up in June's religious mania.
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Of course you are correct but the point I am making, which you have yet again side stepped, is that is possible that June was alive when the TFG entered.
There is a window in the box room, she had to know the raid team were outside, why didn't make herself known to initiate some help?
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There is a window in the box room, she had to know the raid team were outside, why didn't make herself known to initiate some help?
Why? she was tired injured and in a state of complete shock and distress. It is possible she showed herself at the window but was afraid to go to the phone as requested because she did not know if SC was still alive and waiting to attack her if she left.
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Why? she was tired injured and in a state of complete shock and distress. It is possible she showed herself at the window but was afraid to go to the phone as requested because she did not know if SC was still alive and waiting to attack her if she left.
I just said 'why' - to initiate some help. If she was locked in the box room, Sheila wouldn't have been able to see her. I have no idea where your basis for this theory comes from.
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I just said 'why' - to initiate some help. If she was locked in the box room, Sheila wouldn't have been able to see her. I have no idea where your basis for this theory comes from.
She did not need to lock herself in she had a weapon and would have been able to shoot SC if she entered. She would not leave her sanctuary. (see box room characteristics). SC could have tracked her down and knew she would be a sitting duck if she entered. They may have exchanged words. SC could have challenged her to come out at that stage using cruel venomous language.
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She did not need to lock herself in she had a weapon and would have been able to shoot SC if she entered. She would not leave her sanctuary. (see box room characteristics). SC could have tracked her down and knew she would be a sitting duck if she entered. They may have exchanged words. SC could have challenged her to come out at that stage using cruel venomous language.
A weapon? Right of course ....... should have known.
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She did not need to lock herself in she had a weapon and would have been able to shoot SC if she entered. She would not leave her sanctuary. (see box room characteristics). SC could have tracked her down and knew she would be a sitting duck if she entered. They may have exchanged words. SC could have challenged her to come out at that stage using cruel venomous language.
You've done a fine job of turning Sheila from someone who'd previously only ever done some minor self harming -and then only because she either wasn't medicated or wasn't taking her medication- into a murderous monster.
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You've done a fine job of turning Sheila from someone who'd previously only ever done some minor self harming -and then only because she either wasn't medicated or wasn't taking her medication- into a murderous monster.
BuboBubo has no evidence to support the crime scene he invents.
He also has no evidence the crime scene was staged.
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BuboBubo has no evidence to support the crime scene he invents.
He also has no evidence the crime scene was staged.
Yes he has once the Aga burns are proven Adam.No invention.
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Yes he has once the Aga burns are proven Adam.No invention.
It's only a theory, Snow. Like many others.
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Yes he has once the Aga burns are proven Adam.No invention.
BuboBubo has suggested -
Sheila shot herself in her bedroom.
The police moved and deliberately shot Sheila.
June was alive upon police entrance.
June was shot by the police.
Bullets were replaced.
June's body was staged.
Things were burnt, cut and replaced.
Nevill was moved.
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He has no evidence for any of this.
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Regarding the burns, BuboBubo had suggested the police burnt Nevill's back.
Together with Sheila playing with Crispy after the massacre.
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BuboBubo has suggested -
Sheila shot herself in her bedroom.
The police moved and deliberately shot Sheila.
June was alive upon police entrance.
June was shot by the police.
Bullets were replaced.
June's body was staged.
Things were burnt, cut and replaced.
Nevill was moved.
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He has no evidence for any of this.
Only evidence by using his superior brain power to scrutinize the available paperwork Adam.
As Bubo has said himself,it is bound to be an uphill job unravelling a cover up by its nature.
I dont know how accurate Bubos scenario of events are,but I do know the Aga burns alone are enough for me.
How everything else fits in around them isn't really that important,not to the smallest detail.
The time of the Aga burns is upon us Adam.Prepare my child!
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Only evidence by using his superior brain power to scrutinize the available paperwork Adam.
As Bubo has said himself,it is bound to be an uphill job unravelling a cover up by its nature.
I dont know how accurate Bubos scenario of events are,but I do know the Aga burns alone are enough for me.
How everything else fits in around them isn't really that important,not to the smallest detail.
The time of the Aga burns is upon us Adam.Prepare my child!
You would have loved it when Mike was here.
Sheila barking, hit men teams, Bamber wanting the forum shut down.
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Only evidence by using his superior brain power to scrutinize the available paperwork Adam.
As Bubo has said himself,it is bound to be an uphill job unravelling a cover up by its nature.
I dont know how accurate Bubos scenario of events are,but I do know the Aga burns alone are enough for me.
How everything else fits in around them isn't really that important,not to the smallest detail.
The time of the Aga burns is upon us Adam.Prepare my child!
Please stop with the sycophancy, Snow. Bubo have a great enough sense of his own self importance without any assistance.
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You would have loved it when Mike was here.
Sheila barking, hit men teams, Bamber wanting the forum shut down.
He did want the forum shut down.
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You would have loved it when Mike was here.
Sheila barking, hit men teams, Bamber wanting the forum shut down.
He'd have been delirious!
We mustn't forget Sheila's birth mother driving Sheila's birth grandmother to WHF on the night of the murders.
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Only evidence by using his superior brain power to scrutinize the available paperwork Adam.
As Bubo has said himself,it is bound to be an uphill job unravelling a cover up by its nature.
I dont know how accurate Bubos scenario of events are,but I do know the Aga burns alone are enough for me.
How everything else fits in around them isn't really that important,not to the smallest detail.
The time of the Aga burns is upon us Adam.Prepare my child!
Of course it's important!
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Of course it's important!
Well,I have given some suggestions myself Zoso,in the 'Three hour Aga burn' thread.
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You've done a fine job of turning Sheila from someone who'd previously only ever done some minor self harming -and then only because she either wasn't medicated or wasn't taking her medication- into a murderous monster.
A person with schizophrenia and taking alcohol or drugs increases the chance of them engaging in violent behaviour fifteenfold.
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He'd have been delirious!
We mustn't forget Sheila's birth mother driving Sheila's birth grandmother to WHF on the night of the murders.
Don't get BuboBubo started.
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You would have loved it when Mike was here.
Sheila barking, hit men teams, Bamber wanting the forum shut down.
Giovani Steffano believes in the hitman/spy scenario to this day Adam.
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A person with schizophrenia and taking alcohol or drugs increases the chance of them engaging in violent behaviour fifteenfold.
Maybe so. Oh! But hang on a minute. Nothing of a noxious nature was found at autopsy. Mmm! Now wouldn't you just think they'd have 'found' something to incriminate her? Something they could use to back up the 'suicide note' she was said to have written?
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Fifteenfold. Now that is a word you do not hear very often.
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Maybe so. Oh! But hang on a minute. Nothing of a noxious nature was found at autopsy. Mmm! Now wouldn't you just think they'd have 'found' something to incriminate her? Something they could use to back up the 'suicide note' she was said to have written?
Sorry Jane you have lost me? it's quite simple a person with PS is fifteen times more likely to engage in violent behaviour if taking alcohol or drugs. Sheila took both.
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Sorry Jane you have lost me? it's quite simple a person with PS is fifteen times more likely to engage in violent behaviour if taking alcohol or drugs. Sheila took both.
As none was found to be in her system, she wouldn't have been under the influence.
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As none was found to be in her system, she wouldn't have been under the influence.
Are you sure Jane? I thought trace amounts were present?
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Sorry Jane you have lost me? it's quite simple a person with PS is fifteen times more likely to engage in violent behaviour if taking alcohol or drugs. Sheila took both.
Source please.
Not that it matters. Sheila was not drinking or taking drugs on the night.
Who says so? Bamber.
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Source please.
Not that it matters. Sheila was not drinking or taking drugs on the night.
Who says so? Bamber.
Who says it has to be on the night? Do you have a source Adam?
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Who says it has to be on the night? Do you have a source Adam?
Source. Bamber's WS.
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Source. Bamber's WS.
What does Bamber know? this is not a source?
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What does Bamber know? this is not a source?
He was there for supper.
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He was there for supper.
As I have said before a episode can come on over days, the drive down with the children and Sheila not saying a single word is a classic symptom.
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As I have said before a episode can come on over days, the drive down with the children and Sheila not saying a single word is a classic symptom.
I think these episodes are a bit like a volcano before it erupts. The magma comes slowly to the surface. smoke starts to appear. There are rumblings and some movement in the earth, tremors.
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Are you sure Jane? I thought trace amounts were present?
They ruled out intoxication. May have resulted from a spliff at the party which was Sunday.
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They ruled out intoxication. May have resulted from a spliff at the party which was Sunday.
Thanks Jane that's all it would take.
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Are you sure Jane? I thought trace amounts were present?
So you're saying trace amounts of cannabis would be enough to cause psychosis but a still moderate dose of antipsychotic meds wouldn't be enough to prevent it?
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So you're saying trace amounts of cannabis would be enough to cause psychosis but a still moderate dose of antipsychotic meds wouldn't be enough to prevent it?
Cannabis is detected for a month or so
Cocaine a few days
Alcohol remains in the blood for up to six hours and can remain on the breathe for up to 24 hours
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Obviously it's individual specific.
It's an accepted fact Shelia was completely sober.
Any cannabis found in her system would not mean she was under the influence. If it relates from Days before.
Jeremy himself was a seasoned smoker of it.
It never did him any harm! Il get my coat 😆
Just a little bit of humour
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Cannabis is detected for a month or so
Cocaine a few days
Alcohol remains in the blood for up to six hours and can remain on the breathe for up to 24 hours
And her meds would have taken six weeks to clear from her system.
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And her meds would have taken six weeks to clear from her system.
Not true https://www.news-medical.net/health/Haloperidol-Pharmacokinetics.aspx#:~:text=Excretion%20is%20biliary%2C%20meaning%20the,37%20hours%20for%20oral%20preparations.
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Not true https://www.news-medical.net/health/Haloperidol-Pharmacokinetics.aspx#:~:text=Excretion%20is%20biliary%2C%20meaning%20the,37%20hours%20for%20oral%20preparations.
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I would tend to believe my source better.
Medical science has come a long way from the 1980s
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I would tend to believe my source better.
Medical science has come a long way from the 1980s
I think they were still able to detect drugs in the system back in the dark ages of the 1980's. The slow release injection had to last a month and Sheila still had a moderate dose at almost 4 weeks. Stands to reason that there would still be some in her system for a while.
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I am still waiting for Rob's 'fifteen times more' source.
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Zoso where did this originate? can you point me to it?
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I am still waiting for Rob's fifteen times more source.
What are you waiting for now Adam? I kindly gave you the images of the Aga, what else do I need to run around and get?
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What are you waiting for now Adam? I kindly gave you the images of the Aga, what else do I need to run around and get?
A source. You said schizophrenics are 15 times more likely to get violent if taken drugs or drink.
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Did not know 15 times more likely was possible.
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Seems Rob is chuffed as he posted a picture of a cold door handle.
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Did not know 15 times more likely was possible.
Oh ok I got you, from memory it was "living with schizophrenia" or something like that.
I am your run around now Adam ;)
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I have posted the article several times Adam I hope you are eating properly and your memory is not suffering?
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I think they were still able to detect drugs in the system back in the dark ages of the 1980's. The slow release injection had to last a month and Sheila still had a moderate dose at almost 4 weeks. Stands to reason that there would still be some in her system for a while.
Two qualified people with different opinions from a different era in time
Still I stand by my source on the matter. As you do yours
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Two qualified people with different opinions from a different era in time
Still I stand by my source on the matter. As you do yours
Absolutely, also, my mum has dementia and for a while, they gave her that crap. It was over Christmas around 2016 - she was on a pretty low dose but just couldn't function. In the end, I stopped giving it to her and it took a couple of weeks for her movements to improve and she had only been on the stuff a few weeks. Her prescription was for tablets and no slow release so I would imagine they would leave the system quicker (although I am assuming).
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Absolutely, also, my mum has dementia and for a while, they gave her that crap. It was over Christmas around 2016 - she was on a pretty low dose but just couldn't function. In the end, I stopped giving it to her and it took a couple of weeks for her movements to improve and she had only been on the stuff a few weeks. Her prescription was for tablets and no slow release so I would imagine they would leave the system quicker (although I am assuming).
Can I suggest that there is a difference between Dementia (you have my sympathy) and schizophrenia and although some medications can be used as a multi purpose treatment (amitriptyline). They are not always the right drug in all cases and dosage and method of delivery can also be a factor.
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Can I suggest that there is a difference between Dementia (you have my sympathy) and schizophrenia and although some medications can be used as a multi purpose treatment (amitriptyline). They are not always the right drug in all cases and dosage and method of delivery can also be a factor.
I know there is a difference - quite a big one. It wasn't the right drug but I have had first had experience of it's effects. And thanks but it's an ever increasing disease (sadly).
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Absolutely, also, my mum has dementia and for a while, they gave her that crap. It was over Christmas around 2016 - she was on a pretty low dose but just couldn't function. In the end, I stopped giving it to her and it took a couple of weeks for her movements to improve and she had only been on the stuff a few weeks. Her prescription was for tablets and no slow release so I would imagine they would leave the system quicker (although I am assuming).
You have my every sympathy
My father is currently in a home age 81 with vascular dementia
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Oh ok I got you, from memory it was "living with schizophrenia" or something like that.
I am your run around now Adam ;)
Rob has not got a source.
I previously said I would only ask him twice for one. Rather than repeatedly.
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You have my every sympathy
My father is currently in a home age 81 with vascular dementia
Thanks and likewise, my mother has the same form of dementia. She still has moments of clarity and remembers who I am, but she's not who she once was. That's the saddest thing - they kind of die as the person you knew.