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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Enigma on July 24, 2011, 03:18:PM
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This is supposed to be a fair and open forum to discuss the Bamber case.
All views are supposed to be entertained and valid as long as they are presented with respect to each other.
The 'Wrongful Imprisonment' daily counter does not even reflect the majority of views of forum voters. The forum poll had less than 50% who believe Bamber definitley or probably innocent!
In the interest of fairness this counter should be removed!
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This is supposed to be a fair and open forum to discuss the Bamber case.
All views are supposed to be entertained and valid as long as they are presented with respect to each other.
The 'Wrongful Imprisonment' daily counter does not even reflect the majority of views of forum voters. The forum poll had less than 50% who believe Bamber definitley or probably innocent!
In the interest of fairness this counter should be removed!
PB - It is correct that this is a fair an open forum for discussion of the Jeremy Bamber case by anyone with an interest in it, whatever their views. However the forum's owner and Administrator is Mike Tesko and as you are aware he has for many years been a loyal supporter of Jeremy Bamber and he set up this forum in order to publicise the issues surrounding the case and to bring to the attention of those interested the key points. It is therefore essentially a pro - Bamber site, albeit one that permits all points of view to be aired. In order to ensure fair play Mike has appointed moderators, including one of the two Global Moderators, who hold firmly anti - Bamber views. There is no need in my view for the banner to be removed, and such a decision would be one for Mike Tesko alone to make.
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This is supposed to be a fair and open forum to discuss the Bamber case.
All views are supposed to be entertained and valid as long as they are presented with respect to each other.
The 'Wrongful Imprisonment' daily counter does not even reflect the majority of views of forum voters. The forum poll had less than 50% who believe Bamber definitely or probably innocent!
In the interest of fairness this counter should be removed!
This site is owned by, Mike Tesko, a supporter of Jeremy Bamber. You have no right to demand that Mike must remove a banner from his site simply because you dislike it. I believe Mike will pay no attention to your demand and I urge him to ignore it. You have such a nerve, having been here for just a few months you are trying to dictate to Mike how he should run his site. If you dislike this site, please go and start one of your own which suits you better. As far as I'm concerned, you are in serious danger of outstaying your welcome here.
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+1 NGB and Keira.NOBODY should be telling the BOSS how to run his OWN site! >:(
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This is supposed to be a fair and open forum to discuss the Bamber case.
All views are supposed to be entertained and valid as long as they are presented with respect to each other.
The 'Wrongful Imprisonment' daily counter does not even reflect the majority of views of forum voters. The forum poll had less than 50% who believe Bamber definitley or probably innocent!
In the interest of fairness this counter should be removed!
No PB. This is not an open forum. It is a pro Bamber forum where the owner of the forum, who pays for the server and its upkeep has decided to allow folk from the other side of the argument to take part and give their views. That is the reason we are fair. If you go to the facebook guilty page and ask them to remove the banner which states that Jeremy Bamber is guilty as charged, they would soon tell you to get lost. As it is this "pro Bamber" forum tolerates people such as yourself who believe him to be guilty. We are a lot fairer than other websites who say Bamber is guilty. I would never dream of asking Mike the owner of the forum and who pays all the bills to take down a banner which states what he firmly believes. What is not fair is you asking for its removal, not the other way round.
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Yea, this is Mike Tesko´s forum, he can do with it as he pleases. And by the way, I am not too keen on your nick "Poor Bambi", in my opinion, it is quite disrespectful to her, I wish you would have chosen, "Poor Sheila" instead. But hey, it is your nick, you can do with it as you please.
Why don´t you open your own forum? You can put up a counter with so and so many days of rightful imprisonment. Don´t mess with Mike´s board!
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the poll isn't exactly accurate anyway because you can vote as many times as you like.
i voted guilty when i first came on here then i voted not sure.
so its not exactly an accurate poll.
and you have remember peoples views change
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Ok fair enough. I obviously disagree with what the banner says but so be it .... if Mike Tesco agrees it's a not a fair representation of the forum's views he will remove it.
ChoCho the topic post subject matter says 'PLEASE' remove the banner! That is requesting not demanding as you said twice. Get it right hun!
And as for 'Poor Bambi' being an offensive forum name; Sheila used that nicname for herself .... it's a term of endearment and I find it ridiculous to call my use of it disrespectful.
No one on the forum in the last few weeks has defended Sheila's good name like I have against the most appalling accussations that she murdered her own children and parents! To call me disrespectful to her memory is pretty frigging ironic!
But again I am not that bothered. Grahame do I need to change my nickname?
Don't s'pose 'Bamber=Murderer' would be allowed? ;-)
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It matters not one iota if it is or isnt a fair representation of the forums views.
It is Mike T's view
It is Mike T's forum
And THAT is all that matters!
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How's about:
'Rightful Imprisonment but will be changed to Wrongful Imprisonment if we ever manage to overturn all the courts' verdicts'.
(This one is called a suggestion ChoCho ... don't call it a demand!)
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Ok fair enough. I obviously disagree with what the banner says but so be it .... if Mike Tesco agrees it's a not a fair representation of the forum's views he will remove it.
ChoCho the topic post subject matter says 'PLEASE' remove the banner! That is requesting not demanding as you said twice. Get it right hun!
And as for 'Poor Bambi' being an offensive forum name; Sheila used that nicname for herself .... it's a term of endearment and I find it ridiculous to call my use of it disrespectful.
No one on the forum in the last few weeks has defended Sheila's good name like I have against the most appalling accussations that she murdered her own children and parents! To call me disrespectful to her memory is pretty frigging ironic!
But again I am not that bothered. Grahame do I need to change my nickname?
Don't s'pose 'Bamber=Murderer' would be allowed? ;-)
No PB It's your choice if you want to keep your name. But concerning the banner. It isn't supposed to be a fair representation of the forum. It is what Mike believes and it is his forum. It doesn't trouble me. But trying to change the mechanics of the way the forum does. How Mike chooses to display the forum is entirely up to him. If folk don't like it, then there's nothing to stop them from not partaking in discussions.
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Is that wishful thinking Grahame? ;)
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
It doesn't matter what any of us think about the banner. It's Mike's forum. It's his banner. It's his choice to put it there. It's beyond discussion or our decision.
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Well said chaps, pb will ask for the forum to be shut down next, one couldnt make it up!!
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
In your opinion ... thankfully no judges agree with you and a lot of them have reviewed the case!
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
In your opinion ... thankfully no judges agree with you and a lot of them have reviewed the case!
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
You sound like you need a Judge to make your own mind up for you. Fancy this one?
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at the end of the day its mike tescos forum and his firmly in the innocent camp.
now he dosent have to allow the guilty side a voice but i believe he has bent over backwoods to do so.
you cant say fairer than that.
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
In your opinion ... thankfully no judges agree with you and a lot of them have reviewed the case!
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
You sound like you need a Judge to make your own mind up for you. Fancy this one?
Very funny Rochy, I think you're just a posting genius .... just to educate you, that Judge is Roland Freisler the Nazi judge who 'tried' the Valkyre conspirators and who died when his court building fell on his head during an air raid.
See, I am not just an expert on Bamber's vile murders!
If you want a bonefide Nazi reference, see the pic by my name, that's one of my German Shepherds sitting on the ruins of Hitler's house!
This will be food for posts I am sure! ;D
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
In your opinion ... thankfully no judges agree with you and a lot of them have reviewed the case!
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
You sound like you need a Judge to make your own mind up for you. Fancy this one?
Very funny Rochy, I think you're just a posting genius .... just to educate you, that Judge is Roland Freisler the Nazi judge who 'tried' the Valkyre conspirators and who died when his court building fell on his head during an air raid.
See, I am not just an expert on Bamber's vile murders!
If you want a bonefide Nazi reference, see the pic by my name, that's one of my German Shepherds sitting on the ruins of Hitler's house!
This will be food for posts I am sure! ;D
Which house?
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Police responsible for Sheila's death in main bedroom
If the circumstances of Sheila Caffells death was a vile act, then the police who made the mistake of misidentifying her as being dead in the kitchen, reporting her death there, as a suicide, prior to 7:45am, should be the focus any distasteful comments...
If the police who went into the farmhouse had done their job properly, Sheila need not have died at all in the bedroom...
You cannot hold Jeremy responsible for doing something he could not possibly have done, he has the perfect alibi to repel any suggestion that he killed Sheila in the bedroom, in the form of the police radio log contents that were contemporaneously recorded between 7:37am and 8:10am, two bodies downstiars and three other bodies upstairs - (Downstairs, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry into the kitchen. One a murder, one a suicide)...
Enough said...
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
In your opinion ... thankfully no judges agree with you and a lot of them have reviewed the case!
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
You sound like you need a Judge to make your own mind up for you. Fancy this one?
Very funny Rochy, I think you're just a posting genius .... just to educate you, that Judge is Roland Freisler the Nazi judge who 'tried' the Valkyre conspirators and who died when his court building fell on his head during an air raid.
See, I am not just an expert on Bamber's vile murders!
If you want a bonefide Nazi reference, see the pic by my name, that's one of my German Shepherds sitting on the ruins of Hitler's house!
This will be food for posts I am sure! ;D
Which house?
He only had one .... The Berghoff on the Obersalzberg. (He had a huge apartment in Munich too).
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
In your opinion ... thankfully no judges agree with you and a lot of them have reviewed the case!
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
You sound like you need a Judge to make your own mind up for you. Fancy this one?
Very funny Rochy, I think you're just a posting genius .... just to educate you, that Judge is Roland Freisler the Nazi judge who 'tried' the Valkyre conspirators and who died when his court building fell on his head during an air raid.
See, I am not just an expert on Bamber's vile murders!
If you want a bonefide Nazi reference, see the pic by my name, that's one of my German Shepherds sitting on the ruins of Hitler's house!
This will be food for posts I am sure! ;D
You? are a follower of....Hitler? :o
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
In your opinion ... thankfully no judges agree with you and a lot of them have reviewed the case!
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
You sound like you need a Judge to make your own mind up for you. Fancy this one?
Very funny Rochy, I think you're just a posting genius .... just to educate you, that Judge is Roland Freisler the Nazi judge who 'tried' the Valkyre conspirators and who died when his court building fell on his head during an air raid.
See, I am not just an expert on Bamber's vile murders!
If you want a bonefide Nazi reference, see the pic by my name, that's one of my German Shepherds sitting on the ruins of Hitler's house!
This will be food for posts I am sure! ;D
You? are a follower of....Hitler? :o
No! Not in the slightest.
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And anyway,The banner is not misleading.Jeremy Bamber was /is wrongfully imprisoned as he did not have a fair trial.
In your opinion ... thankfully no judges agree with you and a lot of them have reviewed the case!
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
You sound like you need a Judge to make your own mind up for you. Fancy this one?
Very funny Rochy, I think you're just a posting genius .... just to educate you, that Judge is Roland Freisler the Nazi judge who 'tried' the Valkyre conspirators and who died when his court building fell on his head during an air raid.
See, I am not just an expert on Bamber's vile murders!
If you want a bonefide Nazi reference, see the pic by my name, that's one of my German Shepherds sitting on the ruins of Hitler's house!
This will be food for posts I am sure! ;D
You? are a follower of....Hitler? :o
No! Not in the slightest.
Only joking PB. ;D
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Police responsible for Sheila's death in main bedroom
If the circumstances of Sheila Caffells death was a vile act, then the police who made the mistake of misidentifying her as being dead in the kitchen, reporting her death there, as a suicide, prior to 7:45am, should be the focus any distasteful comments...
If the police who went into the farmhouse had done their job properly, Sheila need not have died at all in the bedroom...
You cannot hold Jeremy responsible for doing something he could not possibly have done, he has the perfect alibi to repel any suggestion that he killed Sheila in the bedroom, in the form of the police radio log contents that were contemporaneously recorded between 7:37am and 8:10am, two bodies downstiars and three other bodies upstairs - (Downstairs, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry into the kitchen. One a murder, one a suicide)...
Enough said...
You mean the logs they buried for 18 years? Naughty.
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Police responsible for Sheila's death in main bedroom
If the circumstances of Sheila Caffells death was a vile act, then the police who made the mistake of misidentifying her as being dead in the kitchen, reporting her death there, as a suicide, prior to 7:45am, should be the focus any distasteful comments...
If the police who went into the farmhouse had done their job properly, Sheila need not have died at all in the bedroom...
You cannot hold Jeremy responsible for doing something he could not possibly have done, he has the perfect alibi to repel any suggestion that he killed Sheila in the bedroom, in the form of the police radio log contents that were contemporaneously recorded between 7:37am and 8:10am, two bodies downstiars and three other bodies upstairs - (Downstairs, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry into the kitchen. One a murder, one a suicide)...
Enough said...
I do hold Bamber entirely responsible.
I have never pretended that the police did an excellent job on the Bamber case and a mistaken entry log is just another example of inept Police work. But it is proof of nothing other than a policeman made a mistake! Perhaps he misheard a colleagues description of the scene; I have no idea.
The main reason for all the shoddy Police work is they originally reacted as Bamber so planned and hoped they would .... "it's a murder/suicide lads, I am off to play golf". Right oh Taff, have a good round."
The fog was caused by Bamber's stage managing ... and he so nearly got away with it too!
Is this new 'evidence' Mike? I mean since the CCRC threw out Bamber's application for a new appeal in February. Or has it already been considered and rejected?
You would think that an accused with a 'perfect alibi' wouldn't have been comvicted in the first place. You certainly wouldn't expect him to do 9429 days and counting in a prison cell (that counter up there on the page is useful!). I respectfully suggest he does not have a perfect alibi!
Enough said .........
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Police responsible for Sheila's death in main bedroom
If the circumstances of Sheila Caffells death was a vile act, then the police who made the mistake of misidentifying her as being dead in the kitchen, reporting her death there, as a suicide, prior to 7:45am, should be the focus any distasteful comments...
If the police who went into the farmhouse had done their job properly, Sheila need not have died at all in the bedroom...
You cannot hold Jeremy responsible for doing something he could not possibly have done, he has the perfect alibi to repel any suggestion that he killed Sheila in the bedroom, in the form of the police radio log contents that were contemporaneously recorded between 7:37am and 8:10am, two bodies downstiars and three other bodies upstairs - (Downstairs, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry into the kitchen. One a murder, one a suicide)...
Enough said...
I do hold Bamber entirely responsible.
I have never pretended that the police did an excellent job on the Bamber case and a mistaken entry log is just another example of inept Police work. But it is proof of nothing other than a policeman made a mistake! Perhaps he misheard a colleagues description of the scene; I have no idea.
The main reason for all the shoddy Police work is they originally reacted as Bamber so planned and hoped they would .... "it's a murder/suicide lads, I am off to play golf". Right oh Taff, have a good round."
The fog was caused by Bamber's stage managing ... and he so nearly got away with it too!
Is this new 'evidence' Mike? I mean since the CCRC threw out Bamber's application for a new appeal in February. Or has it already been considered and rejected?
You would think that an accused with a 'perfect alibi' wouldn't have been comvicted in the first place. You certainly wouldn't expect him to do 9429 days and counting in a prison cell (that counter up there on the page is useful!). I respectfully suggest he does not have a perfect alibi!
Enough said .........
A mistake? Come on to the logs page I set up for you and we'll talk it through.
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A mistake was my off the cuff guess .... I will look at ya logs page (didn't know ya set it up for me!! Awwww) and I will get back to you; I will even go thru it with you sometime.
One question ..... hasn't all this log 'evidence' been put befoe the CCRC and already rejected? Bamber has had more appeals than Dickie Bird on every aspect of his case and sentence so it's hard to follow which is which!
Howzattttt?
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Do you know what I think we should set up a topic and and put all the posts from John, Sandy, Horseydave, Gerald, Poor Bambi etc and then we can print them off and send a copy off to JB s trial judge and the appeal court judges to show the calibre of people who support the decisions they made
They would be so proud
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Remind me PB how many appeals did the birmingham six and the Guildford 4 have I can't remember and your sounding like an expert
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Remind me PB how many appeals did the birmingham six and the Guildford 4 have I can't remember and your sounding like an expert
But they were innocent and justice was done eventually. Bamber is guilty, it's been proven. His had all his appeals and failed. RIP Bamber!
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Do you know what I think we should set up a topic and and put all the posts from John, Sandy, Horseydave, Gerald, Poor Bambi etc and then we can print them off and send a copy off to JB s trial judge and the appeal court judges to show the calibre of people who support the decisions they made
They would be so proud
Too right Jackie, that made me laugh!
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Do you know what I think we should set up a topic and and put all the posts from John, Sandy, Horseydave, Gerald, Poor Bambi etc and then we can print them off and send a copy off to JB s trial judge and the appeal court judges to show the calibre of people who support the decisions they made
They would be so proud
But there have been so many judges, Jacks. Just where would you begin?
So many judges but only one verdict!
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A mistake was my off the cuff guess .... I will look at ya logs page (didn't know ya set it up for me!! Awwww) and I will get back to you; I will even go thru it with you sometime.
One question ..... hasn't all this log 'evidence' been put befoe the CCRC and already rejected? Bamber has had more appeals than Dickie Bird on every aspect of his case and sentence so it's hard to follow which is which!
Howzattttt?
Would this by any chance be the same CCRC with the famous powers of evidence retrieval attributed to it? Do you need the CCRC to make your own mind up for you?
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Remind me PB how many appeals did the birmingham six and the Guildford 4 have I can't remember and your sounding like an expert
But they were innocent and justice was done eventually. Bamber is guilty, it's been proven. His had all his appeals and failed. RIP Bamber!
the birmingham 6 had as many failed appeals as jermy bamber has had.
but where later cleared.
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Oh dear. All together, now..."because they were innocent."
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nobody thought they were innocent at the time.
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People used to think that fire was God's red flower, but hey ho.
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PB, i have not been a member long but i do take issue with some of what you are saying, as i type this im looking at the reply Jeremy sent me when i 1st wrote to him dated 12/02/11 and i for one look at the top of the forum and always think of actually what wrongful imprisonment means and i do have some idea of what it means , and as to Sheila not been looked on in the right light thats not fair to say, i have a few views about Sheila , but these views perhaps at some time i will chat about pb is not a un i would have used,when i finish In search of the rainbows end by Colin Caffell perhaps i will have learned a little more about thse 2 families, and as to the CRCC quite frankly i find them useless.
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the point im trying to make is when the birgham 6 and the guilford 4 where still in jail people said exactly the same things about them as there saying about jermy bamber well they were convicted by a jury and some appeal court judges upheld there conviction so they must be guilty.
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Go for it, mertol. Colin's book is very, very informative.
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CCRC sorry about that.
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the point im trying to make is when the birgham 6 and the guilford 4 where still in jail people said exactly the same things about them as there saying about jermy bamber well they were convicted by a jury and some appeal court judges upheld there conviction so they must be guilty.
nugnug, I agree. People fall in to the trap of making assumptions. Lets apply the same logic that PB is using, to child abuse within the catholic church. This went on for years and was known and was notified through the proper channels to the appropriate hierarchy within that organisation. But what was done about it? Virtually nothing other than moving a few priests here and there in the wake of local scandals. For years and years this happened.
So does that mean that the abuse in question never really happened? By way of the fact that virtually nothing of substance was done about it by the authorities who knew of it?
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This may be a good moment to mention a quote from Lord Denning when he was Lord Chief Justice :-
"It is better an innocent man serves a life sentence than the law is seen to be making grave errors."
I find that truly chilling ...
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This may be a good moment to mention a quote from Lord Denning when he was Lord Chief Justice :-
"It is better an innocent man serves a life sentence than the law is seen to be making grave errors."
I find that truly chilling ...
I find that ..... errrrmmm ..... untrue!
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A mistake was my off the cuff guess .... I will look at ya logs page (didn't know ya set it up for me!! Awwww) and I will get back to you; I will even go thru it with you sometime.
One question ..... hasn't all this log 'evidence' been put befoe the CCRC and already rejected? Bamber has had more appeals than Dickie Bird on every aspect of his case and sentence so it's hard to follow which is which!
Howzattttt?
Would this by any chance be the same CCRC with the famous powers of evidence retrieval attributed to it? Do you need the CCRC to make your own mind up for you?
I think you answered my question by not answering it! So there is no new 'evidence' then ... Bamber is toast. Or I should say will continue to be toast! Whole life tarriff mate!
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Hallo, peebs. You seem to be taking quite a pounding tonight. I've finished what I was doing - can I help?
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A mistake was my off the cuff guess .... I will look at ya logs page (didn't know ya set it up for me!! Awwww) and I will get back to you; I will even go thru it with you sometime.
One question ..... hasn't all this log 'evidence' been put befoe the CCRC and already rejected? Bamber has had more appeals than Dickie Bird on every aspect of his case and sentence so it's hard to follow which is which!
Howzattttt?
Would this by any chance be the same CCRC with the famous powers of evidence retrieval attributed to it? Do you need the CCRC to make your own mind up for you?
I think you answered my question by not answering it! So there is no new 'evidence' then ... Bamber is toast. Or I should say will continue to be toast! Whole life tarriff mate!
if you really thought that you wouldn't bother posting here.
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Hallo, peebs. You seem to be taking quite a pounding tonight. I've finished what I was doing - can I help?
Yeah I am been ravaged by a vicous pack of field mice Shona The Brave ;D I can hardly breath and I am going to lock myself in a cold, lonely room for about 9500 days ... I wonder what that would be like?
Do you know anyone who hasn't been out for a walk in the woods for nearly 10,000 days Shona?
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Gosh, peebs, that's a bit profound. It's sad that anyone is deprived of something that they love. I should know.
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The trick is to keep busy. Find something you're good at, with your hands.
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The GuilfordBirmingham 5612 being found innocent somehow proves that Bamber is innocent; you can't beat logic like that! You can laugh at it but you can't beat it!
There are none so blind as those who will not see!
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It has been brought to my attention that the Wide Awake Club has been locked. What is going on?
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It has been brought to my attention that the Wide Awake Club has been locked. What is going on?
It's been deemed inappropriate and all members are ordered to disband.
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It has been brought to my attention that the Wide Awake Club has been locked. What is going on?
It's been deemed inappropriate and all members are ordered to disband.
You ARE joking arnt you Roch? Did you lock it?
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Sod off, Rochy. Go and tell Mike, he might give you a bit of beetroot. They can take our freedom, but they can't take our willy and bra chat.
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Ha ha aye it was just me havin some fun. Took you's long enough to notice mind. ;D
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Ha ha aye it was just me havin some fun. Took you's long enough to notice mind. ;D
Yer little bugger x
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Do you get out much, Rochy?
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Do you get out much, Rochy?
He probably deemed the thread inappropriate due to the lack of topless pics etc ;)
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Or his mum was giving him a bath, and got some Matey in his eye.
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Mess with us at your peril, Rochy. Remember what happened to smiffy.
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Do you get out much, Rochy?
Too much. I'm on the sauce even more than bob. Night all :-*
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Goodnight, Rochy. What happened to Bob?
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Do you get out much, Rochy?
Too much. I'm on the sauce even more than bob. Night all :-*
Night, Rocky
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Mess with us at your peril, Rochy. Remember what happened to smiffy.
what did happen to smiffy.
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He was happyslapped.
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are i see.
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He asked for it, nugs. He was happy happy happy........then slap!!
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There are none so blind as those who will not see!
You took the words right out of my mouth. ;)
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This may be a good moment to mention a quote from Lord Denning when he was Lord Chief Justice :-
"It is better an innocent man serves a life sentence than the law is seen to be making grave errors."
I find that truly chilling ...
Lord Denning did not say those words.What he actually said was...."To accept that the police were lying would open an "appalling vista"..And it seems that until the disbandment of the West Midlands Serious crime squad in 1989 (who dealt with the Birmingham 6)Police in this country thought nothing of fabricating evidence to suit.
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He asked for it, nugs. He was happy happy happy........then slap!!
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Shona The Brave you are very, very witty! For a bird. ;D]
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Why thank you, Bambi. Praise indeed.
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Why thank you, Bambi. Praise indeed.
Did you read that properly Shona? Shona The Brave you are very, very witty! For a bird
;D
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He asked for it, nugs. He was happy happy happy........then slap!!
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Shona The Brave you are very, very witty! For a bird. ;D]
Refrain from sexist remarks, pb, they are unacceptable and you have a habit of making such remarks.
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He asked for it, nugs. He was happy happy happy........then slap!!
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Shona The Brave you are very, very witty! For a bird. ;D]
Refrain from sexist remarks, pb, they are unacceptable and you have a habit of making such remarks.
Sorry ChoCho my dear!
Sorry you are taking an obvious joke and being totally sanctimonous about it! Shona The Brave will no doubt slap me around the forum a little for it; she has a sense of humour!
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Why thank you, Bambi. Praise indeed.
Did you read that properly Shona? Shona The Brave you are very, very witty! For a bird
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Yes, thank you, Grahame. I got it. I never quite did get the hang of irony.
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I stuffed that quote up. And my grammar.
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He asked for it, nugs. He was happy happy happy........then slap!!
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Shona The Brave you are very, very witty! For a bird. ;D]
Refrain from sexist remarks, pb, they are unacceptable and you have a habit of making such remarks.
Sorry ChoCho my dear!
Sorry you are taking an obvious joke and being totally sanctimonous about it! Shona The Brave will no doubt slap me around the forum a little for it; she has a sense of humour!
Would your remark be humorous, pb, if it stated....for a black person...for a Jew...or for a Gay? There is no difference between those remarks and 'for a bird' in terms of the offence expressed. Your remark is not humour, it's simply offensive and demeaning to all women.
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Woh, Choch!! I hope all that wasn't on my behalf. I think we should give PB a bit more rope!!
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Woh, Choch!! I hope all that wasn't on my behalf. I think we should give PB a bit more rope!!
To hang himself?
You are one funny chick Shonea The Brave!
Please slap me around the forum in a joking fashion a little or the humourless one is gonna ban me. I won't care but I know you will be bereft! 8)
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Yes, PB. To hang yourself. Very well hung.
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Yes, PB. To hang yourself. Very well hung.
I am well hung or should be well hung?
'Should be well hung' .... so we go around in circles then back to Bamber!
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You're right though, PB. I would miss you if you weren't here. I think I've mentioned that before.
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Yes, PB. To hang yourself. Very well hung.
I am well hung or should be well hung?
'Should be well hung' .... so we go around in circles then back to Bamber!
Or a pheasant? ::)
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Yes, PB. To hang yourself. Very well hung.
I am well hung or should be well hung?
'Should be well hung' .... so we go around in circles then back to Bamber!
Or a pheasant? ::)
Now you're talking animal cruelty Grahame; that is no laughing matter. This is a very serious forum and I am stamping my foot to make my point even more emphatic! ;D
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Yes, PB. To hang yourself. Very well hung.
I am well hung or should be well hung?
'Should be well hung' .... so we go around in circles then back to Bamber!
Or a pheasant? ::)
Or a pheasant plucker? ;)
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Yes, PB. To hang yourself. Very well hung.
I am well hung or should be well hung?
'Should be well hung' .... so we go around in circles then back to Bamber!
Or a pheasant? ::)
Now you're talking animal cruelty Grahame; that is no laughing matter. This is a very serious forum and I am stamping my foot to make my point even more emphatic! ;D
;D
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Iron Man is a superhero
Iron Woman is a command!
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Peebs, have you ever kissed a girl?
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Peebs, have you ever kissed a girl?
Do you mean with a girl who wanted me to kiss them? ;D
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Women fake orgasms for the relationship.
Men fake relationships for the orgasms. ;D
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Women fake orgasms for the relationship.
Men fake relationships for the orgasms. ;D
PB, that was crap. You really are getting desparate.Anyway you stated you were a business man.
Who's running the show, as you seem to be quite a regular here.
It seems you have limited knowledge of this case, and just attack anyone with a different view.
What you know of the case you can glean from the newspapers, but there are a whole reams of info on this site if you care to look. He murdered em does'nt do it for me.
Can I suggest that you take a moment to study the case instead of blundering on with tiresome comments. I mean this in the nicest way.
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Why thank you, Bambi. Praise indeed.
Did you read that properly Shona? Shona The Brave you are very, very witty! For a bird
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Yeah.... I noticed that too. :(
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Women fake orgasms for the relationship.
Men fake relationships for the orgasms. ;D
PB, that was crap. You really are getting desparate.Anyway you stated you were a business man.
Who's running the show, as you seem to be quite a regular here.
It seems you have limited knowledge of this case, and just attack anyone with a different view.
What you know of the case you can glean from the newspapers, but there are a whole reams of info on this site if you care to look. He murdered em does'nt do it for me.
Can I suggest that you take a moment to study the case instead of blundering on with tiresome comments. I mean this in the nicest way.
And in your opinion what aspect/s of the Bamber case am I ignorant about?
Excuse me for accepting that the jury and so many appeal court judges and everyone left alive related to Bamber know better than Bamber's Fan Club!
I probably know this case as well as anyone on here and the more I know, the more I know he is guilty! Literally just as the judges said!
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well the realtives would think he was guilty they made a fair bit of money from his conviction.
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well the realtives would think he was guilty they made a fair bit of money from his conviction.
Regardless of inheritance, if they thought that JB murdered five members of their family then you would expect them to behave exactly as they did.
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[quoteAnd in your opinion what aspect/s of the Bamber case am I ignorant about?
Excuse me for accepting that the jury and so many appeal court judges and everyone left alive related to Bamber know better than Bamber's Fan Club!
I probably know this case as well as anyone on here and the more I know, the more I know he is guilty! Literally just as the judges said!
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Poor Bambi, you should really be referred back to the 'Foyer' section of the forum. You are not debating any attachments, many of which may include information that has come to light since the 2002 appeal. This is depsite repeated requests for you to debate on a deeper level. All you are currently doing is trolling. If you continue to troll then I'm not sure there's much point in having you on this forum?
There's only so many times that other posters can ask you to participate properly on forum so that arguments are progressed. That's not the same thing as trolling. You will only get so much rope on here.
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well the realtives would think he was guilty they made a fair bit of money from his conviction.
Regardless of inheritance, if they thought that JB murdered five members of their family then you would expect them to behave exactly as they did.
they all stand to lose all that if he gets out.
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Well, that's not strctly true, there are many many different outcomes and possibilities that could occurr if JB was ever released. But as he hasn't been released it's a bit of a moot point and doesn't further the debate regarding his guilt or innocence.
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[quoteAnd in your opinion what aspect/s of the Bamber case am I ignorant about?
Excuse me for accepting that the jury and so many appeal court judges and everyone left alive related to Bamber know better than Bamber's Fan Club!
I probably know this case as well as anyone on here and the more I know, the more I know he is guilty! Literally just as the judges said!
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Poor Bambi, you should really be referred back to the 'Foyer' section of the forum. You are not debating any attachments, many of which may include information that has come to light since the 2002 appeal. This is depsite repeated requests for you to debate on a deeper level. All you are currently doing is trolling. If you continue to troll then I'm not sure there's much point in having you on this forum?
There's only so many times that other posters can ask you to participate properly on forum so that arguments are progressed. That's not the same thing as trolling. You will only get so much rope on here.
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I have openly debated specifics of the case with Grahame in a respectful way even though I know I will get all the supporter comments for Grahame and against me. I think Grahame would accept it was a decent debate on case specifics.
Nearly every comment I make is attacked on sight by the usual suspects of which you are one. I have made quite a few posts on evidence threads. I have looked at the logs thread but quite frankly I can't read them ... maybe I need Specsavers!
ChoCho and Jackie especially are like Rottweillers with a bone whatever I say on a post .... so exactly what do you expect?
The logs: Yes they do show Police incompetance; I think they made many mistakes but that is all; mistakes not Police conspiracy. The City Police investigated the Essex Police and accepted the investigation stank but they and the appeal court judges did not consider this would have effected the original trial verdict; I agree with that!
Now what do you want to discuss in detail?
Or boot me off the forum if you wish.
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Hartley if Jeremy wins an appeal it is most likely they will have to pay everything back including interest but I should think money will be the least of there problems if the truth comes out they wont need any money where they will be going bed and board supplied free
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Pb, i am not here to tell you what to think, we already know now you think Jeremy is guilty, fine thats your view.just 2 things, were you there in WHF on that night and saw everything?, and you can tell everyone what is under lock and key under PII? when you have answers i will be waiting.
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Hartley if Jeremy wins an appeal it is most likely they will have to pay everything back including interest but I should think money will be the least of there problems if the truth comes out they wont need any money where they will be going bed and board supplied free
Jackie read my previous post.
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Hartley if Jeremy wins an appeal it is most likely they will have to pay everything back including interest but I should think money will be the least of there problems if the truth comes out they wont need any money where they will be going bed and board supplied free
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[quoteAnd in your opinion what aspect/s of the Bamber case am I ignorant about?
Excuse me for accepting that the jury and so many appeal court judges and everyone left alive related to Bamber know better than Bamber's Fan Club!
I probably know this case as well as anyone on here and the more I know, the more I know he is guilty! Literally just as the judges said!
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Poor Bambi, you should really be referred back to the 'Foyer' section of the forum. You are not debating any attachments, many of which may include information that has come to light since the 2002 appeal. This is despite repeated requests for you to debate on a deeper level. All you are currently doing is trolling. If you continue to troll then I'm not sure there's much point in having you on this forum?
There's only so many times that other posters can ask you to participate properly on forum so that arguments are progressed. That's not the same thing as trolling. You will only get so much rope on here.
I have openly debated specifics of the case with Grahame in a respectful way even though I know I will get all the supporter comments for Grahame and against me. I think Grahame would accept it was a decent debate on case specifics.
Nearly every comment I make is attacked on sight by the usual suspects of which you are one. I have made quite a few posts on evidence threads. I have looked at the logs thread but quite frankly I can't read them ... maybe I need Specsavers!
ChoCho and Jackie especially are like Rottweillers with a bone whatever I say on a post .... so exactly what do you expect?
The logs: Yes they do show Police incompetance; I think they made many mistakes but that is all; mistakes not Police conspiracy. The City Police investigated the Essex Police and accepted the investigation stank but they and the appeal court judges did not consider this would have effected the original trial verdict; I agree with that!
Now what do you want to discuss in detail?
Or boot me off the forum if you wish.
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You're making it sound like you're being persecuted. All that is being requested of you is that you cut out all the 'vile' type remarks and stop shouting from the rooftops how guilty Bamber is. People are comfortable with your 'guilty' stance on here. There's no need for you to ram it down our throats.
If you're struggling to read documents on here.. are you using the zoom facility on your browser? It might be bottom left on your screen. i use Opera and that's were it is on mine anyway. As for what attachments to look at... instead of wading in an calling people groupies etc why don't you spend a few days researching the many pages of threads on the forum? A good place to start is the very first page. Look at the attachments.
You really shouldn't assume that the people on this forum would rally around a child killer any more than you would do your self. Please give us a bit of respect. Not loads, just a bit. Thank you.
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This is supposed to be a fair and open forum to discuss the Bamber case.
All views are supposed to be entertained and valid as long as they are presented with respect to each other.
The 'Wrongful Imprisonment' daily counter does not even reflect the majority of views of forum voters. The forum poll had less than 50% who believe Bamber definitley or probably innocent!
In the interest of fairness this counter should be removed!
agreed!! It is a shameful representation of an open forum............I say remove it!
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it wont be removed. this is actually a pro bamber forum but mike lets others with opposing views join.
if you dont like it starryian, you can leave, see ya, dont forget to close the door quietly, thanks!!!
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it wont be removed. this is actually a pro bamber forum but mike lets others with opposing views join.
if you dont like it starryian, you can leave, see ya, dont forget to close the door quietly, thanks!!!
I second that. Well said, Andrea +1
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Women fake orgasms for the relationship.
Men fake relationships for the orgasms. ;D
PB, that was crap. You really are getting desparate.Anyway you stated you were a business man.
Who's running the show, as you seem to be quite a regular here.
It seems you have limited knowledge of this case, and just attack anyone with a different view.
What you know of the case you can glean from the newspapers, but there are a whole reams of info on this site if you care to look. He murdered em does'nt do it for me.
Can I suggest that you take a moment to study the case instead of blundering on with tiresome comments. I mean this in the nicest way.
Good points, Cliff +1
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That's you told STI
dream on
It's never going to happen ;D
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This is supposed to be a fair and open forum to discuss the Bamber case.
All views are supposed to be entertained and valid as long as they are presented with respect to each other.
The 'Wrongful Imprisonment' daily counter does not even reflect the majority of views of forum voters. The forum poll had less than 50% who believe Bamber definitley or probably innocent!
In the interest of fairness this counter should be removed!
agreed!! It is a shameful representation of an open forum............I say remove it!
Wrong and I've already told folks why its wrong. It is NOT an open and free forum. It is a pro Bamber forum in which Mike has been fair so that anti Bamber camp can take part. Within that rule it is an open and fair forum where I and the other moderators operate a fair and equal policy. This I Mike's board and what he chooses to do is nothing whatsoever to do with you. Think on this starryian007. You have been allowed the privilege to partake on this forum. Don't push your luck. >:(
starryian007 I have asked you respectfully to go to the foyer and introduce yourself. You either have not seen my post or you have chosen to ignore it? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you have not seen my request?
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it wont be removed. this is actually a pro bamber forum but mike lets others with opposing views join.
if you dont like it starryian, you can leave, see ya, dont forget to close the door quietly, thanks!!!
I second that. Well said, Andrea +1
If it wasn't for the anti Bamber brigade there wouldn't be a forum of any consequence.
Don''t over estimate your self importance.
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Women fake orgasms for the relationship.
Men fake relationships for the orgasms. ;D
Titillating Bambi, simply titillating.
Grow up for once.
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This is supposed to be a fair and open forum to discuss the Bamber case.
All views are supposed to be entertained and valid as long as they are presented with respect to each other.
The 'Wrongful Imprisonment' daily counter does not even reflect the majority of views of forum voters. The forum poll had less than 50% who believe Bamber definitley or probably innocent!
In the interest of fairness this counter should be removed!
Well that's odd. Before we an influx of multi user names, the opposite was true. It was approx 50% not guilty and 25% apiece guilty or undecided. Then all of a sudden there is an apparent volte face among the forum users, witnessed I might add even during phases were the guilty camp were getting battered on certain threads. One day the other week it was a massacre. Yet the poll vote would indicate the reverse? One other thing, all of the multi-username posters have had christian names only? Welcome to the forum 'Dave'
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That's you told STI
dream on
It's never going to happen ;D
Eeewww!! STI. That's a leetle unfortunate!!
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Its a joke anyway, maybe in another 10 years they might let him out on shopping expeditions.
No chance. There was a massive uproar when Myra Hindley was taken for a walk on hampstead Heath. Bamber will never get any day trips. Besides he is a cat A prisoner .... no chance!
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Didn't Myra Hindley end up on Hampstead Heath? Ironically, like the contents of a small ash tray?
I may be wrong.
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Didn't Myra Hindley end up on Hampstead Heath? Ironically, like the contents of a small ash tray?
I may be wrong.
If you mean her ashes ... no ..... unbelievably she was spread very close to Saddleworth Moor!
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really? saddleworth moor?
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really? saddleworth moor?
That's true ... a moor/park area nearby. How sick is that!
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but which officials agreed to putting her there ?
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but which officials agreed to putting her there ?
Ashes were spread by one of her prison lesbo lovers .... no permission ask for or granted. I think you can spread ashes where you like!
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oh, ffs what a place to put her/it.
near the kids she murdered.
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oh, ffs what a place to put her/it.
near the kids she murdered.
I know ... it's appalling!
Night Night