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OFF TOPIC => Israel/Palestine => Topic started by: gringo on April 06, 2023, 09:04:PM
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Hezbollah leader, Sayed Nasrallah, in a speech a month or so back had the following to say;
"it has been said that if the entity continues on this path, it is not certain that it will reach 80 years [the State of Israel was created almost 75 years ago]. For they consider that the Jews had two entities [states with Jerusalem as their capital] in the past, the first entity in the time of the Prophets David and Solomon, peace be upon them, and they consider that it lasted less than 80 years before it disappeared, and the second entity in the time of the Romans, which also disappeared before reaching 80 years. And these fears are haunting them now. Of course, such fears also have a religious and cultural aspect. Who is it that keeps talking about these fears [that Israel will perish a third time before reaching 80 years of age]?"
The occupiers are currently fighting amongst themselves and lashing out everywhere. Having bombed Damascus on four separate nights this week alone, with no condemnation from any Western media or governments, the security forces of so-called Israel have sent their thugs into Al Aqsa Mosque to beat worshippers. See the brutal violence below
https://twitter.com/i/status/1644049061224517632
The attacks on Gaza increase and it now looks as though Lebanon is about to be attacked. Excellent summary of the current state of play in article below;
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/04/is-netanyahoo-again-looking-for-war.html#more
"It is not yet clear that a escalation can be prevented. Currently the Israeli security cabinet is meeting. United Nations peacekeepers (UNIFIL) in south Lebanon have allegedly received orders to enter their bomb shelters. UNIFIl called the called the situation "extremely serious".
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Hezbollah leader, Sayed Nasrallah, in a speech a month or so back had the following to say;
"it has been said that if the entity continues on this path, it is not certain that it will reach 80 years [the State of Israel was created almost 75 years ago]. For they consider that the Jews had two entities [states with Jerusalem as their capital] in the past, the first entity in the time of the Prophets David and Solomon, peace be upon them, and they consider that it lasted less than 80 years before it disappeared, and the second entity in the time of the Romans, which also disappeared before reaching 80 years. And these fears are haunting them now. Of course, such fears also have a religious and cultural aspect. Who is it that keeps talking about these fears [that Israel will perish a third time before reaching 80 years of age]?"
The occupiers are currently fighting amongst themselves and lashing out everywhere. Having bombed Damascus on four separate nights this week alone, with no condemnation from any Western media or governments, the security forces of so-called Israel have sent their thugs into Al Aqsa Mosque to beat worshippers. See the brutal violence below
https://twitter.com/i/status/1644049061224517632
The attacks on Gaza increase and it now looks as though Lebanon is about to be attacked. Excellent summary of the current state of play in article below;
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/04/is-netanyahoo-again-looking-for-war.html#more
"It is not yet clear that a escalation can be prevented. Currently the Israeli security cabinet is meeting. United Nations peacekeepers (UNIFIL) in south Lebanon have allegedly received orders to enter their bomb shelters. UNIFIl called the called the situation "extremely serious".
The whole article is the most anti-Semitic rant I've read for a long time. Since when did anyone take stones and firecrackers into a place of worship?
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The author of that MOA article cannot even spell Netanyahu's name correctly. The Barflies have had too much Whiskey it seems. :-\
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The author of that MOA article cannot even spell Netanyahu's name correctly. The Barflies have had too much Whiskey it seems. :-\
He is German. English is his second language. His written English is a higher standard than you are capable of despite this.
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The whole article is the most anti-Semitic rant I've read for a long time. Since when did anyone take stones and firecrackers into a place of worship?
Since when did anybody take tear gas and batons into a place of worship? Somebody else's place of worship whilst jackbooted up?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1644153193469734914
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Considering Nasrallah has conveniently omitted the fact that the Kingdom of Judah was ruled from Jerusalem for 400 years by a number of Jewish kings from the lineage of David. This renders his entire statement moot. Thou he is correct in inadvertently confirming the Jewish people had state entities in Israel prior to anyone else and those states only ceased to exist due to foreign conquest and no fault of their own. So in that sense he is correct.
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Considering Nasrallah has conveniently omitted the fact that the Kingdom of Judah was ruled from Jerusalem for 400 years by a number of Jewish kings from the lineage of David. This renders his entire statement moot. Thou he is correct in inadvertently confirming the Jewish people had state entities in Israel prior to anyone else and those states only ceased to exist due to foreign conquest and no fault of their own. So in that sense he is correct.
The apartheid state is dying from within from its own internal contradictions. Born from terror-it will die the same way. Nasrallah is correct that the two previous incarnations of Israel failed to reach 80 years. The current interlopers in Palestine will soon enter History's dustbin. They have brought nothing but war and death.
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Since when did anybody take tear gas and batons into a place of worship? Somebody else's place of worship whilst jackbooted up?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1644153193469734914
They refused to come out when asked. There were a handful of troublemakers fraternizing with genuine worshippers.
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The apartheid state is dying from within from its own internal contradictions. Born from terror-it will die the same way. Nasrallah is correct that the two previous incarnations of Israel failed to reach 80 years. The current interlopers in Palestine will soon enter History's dustbin. They have brought nothing but war and death.
The Palestinians should have accepted the UN Resolution 181 in 1947. They have only themselves to blame for their plight now.
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They refused to come out when asked. There were a handful of troublemakers fraternizing with genuine worshippers.
Wonder why they didn't come out "when asked" by the state backed jackbooted baton wielding thugs? Are you really this blind? Would you think Jewish worshippers refusing to leave a synagogue "when asked" by some jackbooted baton wielding Islamists would be deserving of a similar fate?
How about Christians refusing to leave... You should get the picture by now.
You should be able to call out state backed "armed security forces" storming places of worship without question. You are an apologist for the brutality when you attempt to justify such inhumanity.
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The Palestinians should have accepted the UN Resolution 181 in 1947. They have only themselves to blame for their plight now.
The supposed state of Israel has never accepted any UN resolution. Why would the Palestinians accept the theft of their land by white colonialists to solve a European problem? The thuggery and continued land theft and expansion-Israeli regimes inviting the most thuggish Zionists from around the world, to continue expanding the "illegal settlements" by brutally evicting Palestinians whose land it is, shows who the real villains are.
Your "victim blaming" is pathetic. The illegitimate apartheid Zionist regime holding the world to ransom with it's undeclared nuclear weapons and continuing land theft and aggressive warmongering towards its neighbours is about to meet history's dustbin.
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The supposed state of Israel has never accepted any UN resolution. Why would the Palestinians accept the theft of their land by white colonialists to solve a European problem? The thuggery and continued land theft and expansion-Israeli regimes inviting the most thuggish Zionists from around the world, to continue expanding the "illegal settlements" by brutally evicting Palestinians whose land it is, shows who the real villains are.
Your "victim blaming" is pathetic. The illegitimate apartheid Zionist regime holding the world to ransom with it's undeclared nuclear weapons and continuing land theft and aggressive warmongering towards its neighbours is about to meet history's dustbin.
They did accept partition, UN Resolution 181. It was the Arabs who rejected it. Your other comments are beyond the pale.
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They did accept partition, UN Resolution 181. It was the Arabs who rejected it. Your other comments are beyond the pale.
The occupiers still refuse to define their borders. They accept no international ruling or law. They bleat on about the supposed transgressions of Iran(signatories to the NPT) whilst themselves refusing to sign up to any international oversight via the IAEA(International Atomic Energy Agency) and not being signatoties of the NPT(Non Proliferatiuon Treaty) holding the world to nuclear ransom.
Why should the Arabs accept the theft of their territory by European interlopers and terrorists?
They are no different to the white colonialists of South Africa-according to those who fought against and overthrew the white colonialists. Those who know and recognise apartheid by colonialists recognise the Zionist regime for what it is.
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The occupiers still refuse to define their borders. They accept no international ruling or law. They bleat on about the supposed transgressions of Iran(signatories to the NPT) whilst themselves refusing to sign up to any international oversight via the IAEA(International Atomic Energy Agency) and not being signatoties of the NPT(Non Proliferatiuon Treaty) holding the world to nuclear ransom.
Why should the Arabs accept the theft of their territory by European interlopers and terrorists?
They are no different to the white colonialists of South Africa-according to those who fought against and overthrew the white colonialists. Those who know and recognise apartheid by colonialists recognise the Zionist regime for what it is.
But the Jews have been there 4000 years. Check out Moses. I agree the Palestinians should have a state, but they will never be allowed an army or any weapons which may be used to destroy Israel. That's just the reality.
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But the Jews have been there 4000 years. Check out Moses. I agree the Palestinians should have a state, but they will never be allowed an army or any weapons which may be used to destroy Israel. That's just the reality.
The Zionists have only been there for 75 years. The reality is that the Ethno apartheid state won't make it to 80. The world is changing and the abomination of Israel will not remain when all is done. There will still be Jews in Palestine but there will be no Zionist supremacist regime. It is the white European Zionist Jews with their supremacist mindset that are the cause of most of the troubles in the Middle East.
Palestinians are not alone against the Zionist occupiers. There is a big enough army and enough weapons behind them. The Zionists can only lose once and then it's over. No strategic depth at all. The US presence in Middle East becoming weaker and more vulnerable by the day. Alliances and cooperation between Arab states and Iran growing and blooming. The Zios brutality and occupation is coming to an end. Time and events are not on their side.
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In Tankie fantasy world, only the United States and its allies can commit wrongdoing on its Muslim minority population.
The genocide of Muslims perpetrated by Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic, the violent crackdowns of Chechnyan independence movements by Russia and the imprisonment of 1.8 million Muslims in Xinjiang internment camps by the Chinese Communist Party are all of course entirely appropriate and justified.
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In Tankie fantasy world, only the United States and its allies can commit wrongdoing on its Muslim minority population.
The genocide of Muslims perpetrated by Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic, the violent crackdowns of Chechnyan independence movements by Russia and the imprisonment of 1.8 million Muslims in Xinjiang internment camps by the Chinese Communist Party are all of course entirely appropriate and justified.
Your understanding of the Chechen wars and aftermath is, as is usual with you, a biased misrepresentation. Take a look at Grozny now. Russia manages its multi ethnic and religious diversity much more successfully than the Zionist terror state.
Your repeating of the Xinjiang propaganda only demonstrates your lack of any real knowledge(outside of Western msm lies) of the subject. How is it that you care about all of the subjects that you have been instructed to. You are concerned only with the crimes that your own criminal governments allege against other countries. The crimes committed in plain sight by your own government-you ignore.
https://journal-neo.org/2020/09/03/the-biggest-lie-about-chinas-xinjiang-internment-camps/
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The whole article is the most anti-Semitic rant I've read for a long time. Since when did anyone take stones and firecrackers into a place of worship?
Calling people anti-semitic is a card that has been so overplayed that it no longer has any shared meaning. Here is a "rant" that is way more "anti-Semitic" than anything I have written. The speaker compares the Israeli government to Nazis and says their policies of "Jewish supremacy" are like, "Mein Kampf in reverse".
https://twitter.com/i/status/1644488388118970369
How anti-semitic must Moshe Ya'alon, (checks notes) former Israeli Defence Minister be? :o
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Calling people anti-semitic is a card that has been so overplayed that it no longer has any shared meaning. Here is a "rant" that is way more "anti-Semitic" than anything I have written. The speaker compares the Israeli government to Nazis and says their policies of "Jewish supremacy" are like, "Mein Kampf in reverse".
https://twitter.com/i/status/1644488388118970369
How anti-semitic must Moshe Ya'alon, (checks notes) former Israeli Defence Minister be? :o
Nobody in their right mind would condone the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre. You have to understand the persecution of the Jews has endured for hundreds of years. I post one link but there are many others. https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/cliffords-tower-york/history-and-stories/massacre-of-the-jews/
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Israel will exist for as long as the Jews upload the notion of "Never Again".
The idea being that if a country as civilized and developed as Germany can embark on their complete destruction, then any country could do so. And the only way to prevent that is with a nation state of their own.
https://altcensored.com/watch?v=okunFaE8zTM (https://altcensored.com/watch?v=okunFaE8zTM)
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Israel will exist for as long as the Jews upload the notion of "Never Again".
The idea being that if a country as civilized and developed as Germany can embark on their complete destruction, then any country could do so. And the only way to prevent that is with a nation state of their own.
https://altcensored.com/watch?v=okunFaE8zTM (https://altcensored.com/watch?v=okunFaE8zTM)
I have long blamed the Nazis for Israeli belligerence and ruthlessness. And yes, the Nazis could not have done what they did without the German public at the time. I just think it's Ironic that Israel itself has become a hateful state using horrible tactics. I saw Israeli Christians being spat on the other day by Jewish Israelis. Why is that any different to Nazis or Germans spitting on Jews? The victims have become the monster. And they seem to enjoy it.
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I have long blamed the Nazis for Israeli belligerence and ruthlessness. And yes, the Nazis could not have done what they did without the German public at the time. I just think it's Ironic that Israel itself has become a hateful state using horrible tactics. I saw Israeli Christians being spat on the other day by Jewish Israelis. Why is that any different to Nazis or Germans spitting on Jews? The victims have become the monster. And they seem to enjoy it.
Nazi Germany stripped ethnic minorities of citizenship. Israel does not.
Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.
Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.
Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.
Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.
As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also. :-\
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Nazi Germany stripped ethnic minorities of citizenship. Israel does not.
Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.
Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.
Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.
Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.
As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also. :-\
Hmmm. David, I can see why Israel originally formed the mentality that it did. What I find difficult to understand is why it clings to that mentality and pursues it to extremes. I think you should condemn the Jews spitting on Christians.
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Hmmm. David, I can see why Israel originally formed the mentality that it did. What I find difficult to understand is why it clings to that mentality and pursues it to extremes. I think you should condemn the Jews spitting on Christians.
Its a complex topic. Have you got Netflix? I recommend you watch the human factor.
PS: I condemn anyone spitting on anyone.
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the zionist of the time did nothing to help the jews in eroupe the broke the jewish boycott of germany wich could well of tople the nazis had it lasted they also did a deal with hitler to resetle german jews in isreal een though most of them dident want to go
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Nazi Germany stripped ethnic minorities of citizenship. Israel does not.
Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.
Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.
Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.
Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.
As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also. :-\
Your one eyed propaganda is ridiculous and paints a much different picture to the reality
Most Palestinians in Jerusalem have Israeli residency rights, which allow them to work and travel freely and provide access to Israeli social services, but not full citizenship, which would allow them to vote.
This is not to mention the situation in the West Bank and Gaza where "Israeli settlers"(largely anti-Arab extremists) have full citizenship but the indigenous Palestinians, despite living under Occupier rule, don't.
Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.
The occupiers make no secret of their ambitions to "ethnically cleanse" all of Palestine as well as areas of Syria, Lebanon etc. Operations "Cast Lead", "Breaking Dawn". Arabs call Operation Cast Lead, more accurately, the "Gaza Massacre". I could go on and on. Israeli brutality against civilian populations is endless. Their politicians openly refer to these atrocities against civilian populations as occasionally "mowing the grass". All of this is given a free pass by Zionist apologists.
Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.
Is this meant to be ironic? Israel have never made clear their "claim", have never defined their borders and it is considered reasonable to the occupiers that Israel is "from the river to the sea". That's the banks of the Jordan to the Med. There are a few millions of people in those lands that would dispute your "modest and reasonable" tag. They already illegally occupy plenty of other people's lands. None of it is modest or reasonable.
Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.
Imagine that!? They have spent 75 years stealing land, subjugating the indigenous population and it is surprising that they face "existential threats"? It isn't as much as the "existential threat" that they have imposed brutally and daily for 75 years+ on their neighbours. The demise of political Zionism in Palestine will remove the main existential threat to the wider Middle East.
Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.
Palestinians aren't safe though, even if "they mind their own business". The occupiers are colonialist thieving interlopers. The occupiers are reaching the end of their tenure. The Middle East is changing rapidly brought about by a combination of Chinese/Russian diplomacy and military might. Empire's outpost about to become a historical footnote.
As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also. :-\
The Zionists are hated because they are a hateful supremacist cult. They are colonial interlopers and have murdered millions of Arabs, occupy and invade their neighbours with impunity- all backed by their ultimate sponsors in the West. Their sponsors are no longer feared. This is what has changed. Chinese diplomacy and deal-making has pushed Empire out of any diplomatic role. Russian muscle is the guarantor. NATO/US are being evicted from the Middle East as their position becomes less and less sustainable.
China are offering to mediate on this issue also. It seems the most intractable problem in the world today but who knows. At least the Chinese come to the table without "skin in the game". New realities will birth new opportunities, possibly.
A supposed "two-state" solution has been made all but impossible by continued expansionist policies of the Zio-state. Perhaps the solution now is a one-state, equal rights for all solution. The extremist Zionists (largely "settlers") could either accept the new "status quo" or use their dual nationality and go home.
Whatever does happen, it is clear that Occupied Palestine is at a pivotal point of its short and brutal history.
It is well known that when Nasrallah speaks-all of Israel pays attention.
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Your one eyed propaganda is ridiculous and paints a much different picture to the reality
Most Palestinians in Jerusalem have Israeli residency rights, which allow them to work and travel freely and provide access to Israeli social services, but not full citizenship, which would allow them to vote.
This is not to mention the situation in the West Bank and Gaza where "Israeli settlers"(largely anti-Arab extremists) have full citizenship but the indigenous Palestinians, despite living under Occupier rule, don't.
Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.
The occupiers make no secret of their ambitions to "ethnically cleanse" all of Palestine as well as areas of Syria, Lebanon etc. Operations "Cast Lead", "Breaking Dawn". Arabs call Operation Cast Lead, more accurately, the "Gaza Massacre". I could go on and on. Israeli brutality against civilian populations is endless. Their politicians openly refer to these atrocities against civilian populations as occasionally "mowing the grass". All of this is given a free pass by Zionist apologists.
Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.
Is this meant to be ironic? Israel have never made clear their "claim", have never defined their borders and it is considered reasonable to the occupiers that Israel is "from the river to the sea". That's the banks of the Jordan to the Med. There are a few millions of people in those lands that would dispute your "modest and reasonable" tag. They already illegally occupy plenty of other people's lands. None of it is modest or reasonable.
Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.
Imagine that!? They have spent 75 years stealing land, subjugating the indigenous population and it is surprising that they face "existential threats"? It isn't as much as the "existential threat" that they have imposed brutally and daily for 75 years+ on their neighbours. The demise of political Zionism in Palestine will remove the main existential threat to the wider Middle East.
Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.
Palestinians aren't safe though, even if "they mind their own business". The occupiers are colonialist thieving interlopers. The occupiers are reaching the end of their tenure. The Middle East is changing rapidly brought about by a combination of Chinese/Russian diplomacy and military might. Empire's outpost about to become a historical footnote.
As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also. :-\
The Zionists are hated because they are a hateful supremacist cult. They are colonial interlopers and have murdered millions of Arabs, occupy and invade their neighbours with impunity- all backed by their ultimate sponsors in the West. Their sponsors are no longer feared. This is what has changed. Chinese diplomacy and deal-making has pushed Empire out of any diplomatic role. Russian muscle is the guarantor. NATO/US are being evicted from the Middle East as their position becomes less and less sustainable.
China are offering to mediate on this issue also. It seems the most intractable problem in the world today but who knows. At least the Chinese come to the table without "skin in the game". New realities will birth new opportunities, possibly.
A supposed "two-state" solution has been made all but impossible by continued expansionist policies of the Zio-state. Perhaps the solution now is a one-state, equal rights for all solution. The extremist Zionists (largely "settlers") could either accept the new "status quo" or use their dual nationality and go home.
Whatever does happen, it is clear that Occupied Palestine is at a pivotal point of its short and brutal history.
It is well known that when Nasrallah speaks-all of Israel pays attention.
Agree 100%
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Hassan Nasrallah is Secretary-General of Hezbollah, the terrorist group funded by Iran responsible for killing 241 military personnel in Beirut forty years ago. https://youtu.be/XBSE0JndWeo
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Hassan Nasrallah is Secretary-General of Hezbollah, the terrorist group funded by Iran responsible for killing 241 military personnel in Beirut forty years ago. https://youtu.be/XBSE0JndWeo
Tellingly you haven't challenged any part of my post. Your only comment is to repeat regime propaganda against Nasrallah and Hezbollah. I will assume that the rest of the post is beyond challenge. Your evidence of Hezbollah being a "terrorist group" rather than a legitimate resistance against Zio aggression is to attribute, wrongly, the suicide bombing which killed 241 US personnel. The 58 French "peacekeepers" killed in the same bombing simply overlooked.
If your "evidence" of Hezbollah being a terrorist organisation relies on a bombing more than 40 years ago, that wasn't Hezbollah anyway-well it's worse than weak. It is non existent.
Hezbollah, despite being a Shia group, have wide support amongst many Lebanese and are seen as the only capable resistance against Israel. Why and how did the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon(1985-2000) end? A 15 year occupation, attempting yet more land theft, driven out by Hezbollah. The actual Lebanese Army are toothless.
The group that claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing on Beirut barracks were "Islamic Jihad". There is no evidence whatsoever that Hezbollah were responsible. The only link between "Hezbollah" and "Islamic Jihad" being the unsupported fantasy writings of Israeli "journalist", Ronen Bergman. Whether it is even a terrorist act is in the eye of the beholder anyway. Foreign military occupying troops, in whatever guise, are a legitimate target of resistance fighters.
Were the UK, for instance, occupied by Lebanese "peacekeepers", I am sure that you would consider an attack on the foreign occupiers as resistance rather than terrorism. You cannot get past your colonial mindset. It cuts both ways.
https://jamestown.org/brief/sunni-muslims-standing-in-unity-with-shiite-hezbollah/
From the above;
The latest crisis in the Middle East involving Hezbollah and Israel and ongoing sectarian violence in Iraq has focused attention on an emerging divide between Sunnis and Shiites. The positions of heads of state in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan, among others, who represent predominantly Sunni populations, in not taking a stronger stance in opposing Israel lends credence to the theory that Sunnis are tacitly siding with Israel against Hezbollah in order to check Shiite and, by extension, Iranian influence. In reality, the opposite is the case. Regional capitals and major cities in predominantly Sunni countries have been the scene of regular protests and other forms of dissent in what has been an upsurge of popular support for Hezbollah. In a recent demonstration in Cairo’s downtown Tahrir Square, protestors chanted: “with our soul and blood we support you Lebanon…oh beloved Nasrallah, hit, hit Tel Aviv” and “long live the Lebanese resistance…long live the Palestinian resistance…long live the Iraqi resistance”
The Jordanian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood issued a statement on July 30 on its website declaring its support for what it described as the “mujahideen from Hezbollah,” proclaiming that supporting Hezbollah constitutes a “duty” for all Muslims
Hezbollah are the resistance to the state terrorism of Israel/US/NATO.
The only reason that Hezbollah have in the last few years been declared a "terrorist organisation" by the list of usual suspects(Israel, France, UK, US etc.) is precisely because they are a hugely effective political and military force and an extremely effective resistance. Most Arab League countries also declared Hezbollah a terror group in 2016. This does not reflect Arab street opinion. It also needs to seen in the light of the prevailing geo-political circumstances of the time. We are now in the era of rapprochement between previously hostile Arab states, both amongst themselves and collectively towards Iran.
Hezbollah have many social programs, of which you are no doubt unaware, and provide many healthcare, education, social welfare programs. Hezbollah need wide support to be successful and they don't get wide support by terrorising the population. They do terrorise the shit out of the real terrorists and their proxies. It is well known and admitted by the US military even, that Hezbollah were the most effective force against ISIS and the various western proxy terror groups operating in Syria. Hezbollah's presence in Syria being at the request of the legitimate Syrian govt. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra Front etc. were there at the request of their sponsors and funders(various US intel agencies).
The 2006 invasion by Israel of Lebanon, where Israel were forced to withdraw after less than six weeks, being the last time Israel dare to face Hezbollah directly. Since that time it is known that Hezbollah have become only stronger. That is why all Israelis listen when Nasrallah speaks.
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Hezbollah's presence in Syria being at the request of the legitimate Syrian govt. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra Front etc. were there at the request of their sponsors and funders(various US intel agencies).
It would be hilarious if it weren't so serious-and possibly still is-hilarious that is.
https://geopolitics.co/2016/10/25/pentagon-commandos-fighting-vs-cia-daesh-terrorists-in-syria/
It’s not a Hollywood movie. It’s still happening right now.
In what could be the most defining moment of the US government foreign policy, or more accurately, sheer stupidity, the Pentagon armed commandos operating with their allies in Syria are now shooting CIA trained and funded terrorists, and for what purpose?
CIA-armed militias are shooting at Pentagon-armed ones in Syria
From Chicago Tribune
Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other on the plains between the besieged city of Aleppo and the Turkish border, highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and trained in the bitter 5-year-old civil war.
The fighting has intensified over the past two months, as CIA-armed units and Pentagon-armed ones have repeatedly shot at each other as they have maneuvered through contested territory on the northern outskirts of Aleppo, U.S. officials and rebel leaders have confirmed.
In mid-February, a CIA-armed militia called Fursan al Haq, or Knights of Righteousness, was run out of the town of Marea, about 20 miles north of Aleppo, by Pentagon-backed Syrian Democratic Forces moving in from Kurdish-controlled areas to the east.
“Any faction that attacks us, regardless from where it gets its support, we will fight it,” said Maj. Fares Bayoush, a leader of Fursan al Haq.
Rebel fighters described similar clashes in the town of Azaz, a key transit point for fighters and supplies between Aleppo and the Turkish border, and March 3 in the Aleppo neighborhood of Sheikh Maqsud.
Hezbollah were there at the request of the Syrian govt. fighting against these foreign sponsored terror groups. The US/Israel et al having the fucking nerve to call Hezbollah terrorists whilst being the main agents of terror is absurd.
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Agree 100%
New realities on the ground in the Middle East are bound to have wider consequences. Western/US military presence in the region is key and any weakening of that position has the obvious consequence of weakening the Zionist state still further. New realities cause negotiating positions to shift. We certainly live in interesting times, Bubo.
The Chinese are currently finding diplomatic solutions to long standing and seemingly intractable problems and upending Western dominance of the region. Whilst western populations are propagandised with all sorts of nonsense about China and have a mistrust of them based entirely on this propaganda- others see a different picture. Whilst the US and their NATO lapdogs are busy destroying infrastructure, hospitals, ports etc.-the Chinese are busy building Ports, hospitals and infrastructure.
For everything the West destroys-China builds. The ROW see this and take notice.
China can be seen as honest and impartial by the representatives of both sides in the Palestinian territories and their offer to mediate is trusted by both sides. The problem isn't Jews or Muslims or Christians or any other faith or none- the problem is the Zionists. I did at one time believe that a two state solution was possible-I no longer do. A one-state solution is, in my opinion, the only realistic diplomatic solution now. The Chinese, if they pull this one out of the bag, would be the greatest diplomatic achievement in a century or more.
One way or another, it is difficult to imagine the state of Israel in its current form, surviving for much longer.
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Tellingly you haven't challenged any part of my post. Your only comment is to repeat regime propaganda against Nasrallah and Hezbollah. I will assume that the rest of the post is beyond challenge. Your evidence of Hezbollah being a "terrorist group" rather than a legitimate resistance against Zio aggression is to attribute, wrongly, the suicide bombing which killed 241 US personnel. The 58 French "peacekeepers" killed in the same bombing simply overlooked.
If your "evidence" of Hezbollah being a terrorist organisation relies on a bombing more than 40 years ago, that wasn't Hezbollah anyway-well it's worse than weak. It is non existent.
Hezbollah, despite being a Shia group, have wide support amongst many Lebanese and are seen as the only capable resistance against Israel. Why and how did the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon(1985-2000) end? A 15 year occupation, attempting yet more land theft, driven out by Hezbollah. The actual Lebanese Army are toothless.
The group that claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing on Beirut barracks were "Islamic Jihad". There is no evidence whatsoever that Hezbollah were responsible. The only link between "Hezbollah" and "Islamic Jihad" being the unsupported fantasy writings of Israeli "journalist", Ronen Bergman. Whether it is even a terrorist act is in the eye of the beholder anyway. Foreign military occupying troops, in whatever guise, are a legitimate target of resistance fighters.
Were the UK, for instance, occupied by Lebanese "peacekeepers", I am sure that you would consider an attack on the foreign occupiers as resistance rather than terrorism. You cannot get past your colonial mindset. It cuts both ways.
https://jamestown.org/brief/sunni-muslims-standing-in-unity-with-shiite-hezbollah/
From the above;
The latest crisis in the Middle East involving Hezbollah and Israel and ongoing sectarian violence in Iraq has focused attention on an emerging divide between Sunnis and Shiites. The positions of heads of state in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan, among others, who represent predominantly Sunni populations, in not taking a stronger stance in opposing Israel lends credence to the theory that Sunnis are tacitly siding with Israel against Hezbollah in order to check Shiite and, by extension, Iranian influence. In reality, the opposite is the case. Regional capitals and major cities in predominantly Sunni countries have been the scene of regular protests and other forms of dissent in what has been an upsurge of popular support for Hezbollah. In a recent demonstration in Cairo’s downtown Tahrir Square, protestors chanted: “with our soul and blood we support you Lebanon…oh beloved Nasrallah, hit, hit Tel Aviv” and “long live the Lebanese resistance…long live the Palestinian resistance…long live the Iraqi resistance”
The Jordanian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood issued a statement on July 30 on its website declaring its support for what it described as the “mujahideen from Hezbollah,” proclaiming that supporting Hezbollah constitutes a “duty” for all Muslims
Hezbollah are the resistance to the state terrorism of Israel/US/NATO.
The only reason that Hezbollah have in the last few years been declared a "terrorist organisation" by the list of usual suspects(Israel, France, UK, US etc.) is precisely because they are a hugely effective political and military force and an extremely effective resistance. Most Arab League countries also declared Hezbollah a terror group in 2016. This does not reflect Arab street opinion. It also needs to seen in the light of the prevailing geo-political circumstances of the time. We are now in the era of rapprochement between previously hostile Arab states, both amongst themselves and collectively towards Iran.
Hezbollah have many social programs, of which you are no doubt unaware, and provide many healthcare, education, social welfare programs. Hezbollah need wide support to be successful and they don't get wide support by terrorising the population. They do terrorise the shit out of the real terrorists and their proxies. It is well known and admitted by the US military even, that Hezbollah were the most effective force against ISIS and the various western proxy terror groups operating in Syria. Hezbollah's presence in Syria being at the request of the legitimate Syrian govt. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra Front etc. were there at the request of their sponsors and funders(various US intel agencies).
The 2006 invasion by Israel of Lebanon, where Israel were forced to withdraw after less than six weeks, being the last time Israel dare to face Hezbollah directly. Since that time it is known that Hezbollah have become only stronger. That is why all Israelis listen when Nasrallah speaks.
I accept very little of your post. You must be the only person who doesn't realize Hezbollah is funded by Iranian oil money. Who else pays for the welfare programmes, of which I am fully aware.
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New realities on the ground in the Middle East are bound to have wider consequences. Western/US military presence in the region is key and any weakening of that position has the obvious consequence of weakening the Zionist state still further. New realities cause negotiating positions to shift. We certainly live in interesting times, Bubo.
The Chinese are currently finding diplomatic solutions to long standing and seemingly intractable problems and upending Western dominance of the region. Whilst western populations are propagandised with all sorts of nonsense about China and have a mistrust of them based entirely on this propaganda- others see a different picture. Whilst the US and their NATO lapdogs are busy destroying infrastructure, hospitals, ports etc.-the Chinese are busy building Ports, hospitals and infrastructure.
For everything the West destroys-China builds. The ROW see this and take notice.
China can be seen as honest and impartial by the representatives of both sides in the Palestinian territories and their offer to mediate is trusted by both sides. The problem isn't Jews or Muslims or Christians or any other faith or none- the problem is the Zionists. I did at one time believe that a two state solution was possible-I no longer do. A one-state solution is, in my opinion, the only realistic diplomatic solution now. The Chinese, if they pull this one out of the bag, would be the greatest diplomatic achievement in a century or more.
One way or another, it is difficult to imagine the state of Israel in its current form, surviving for much longer.
Chinese diplomacy: you mean like the One Country Two Systems agreement on Hong Kong, broken after 23 years when it was supposed to last for 50? You mean like the bellicosity shown towards Taiwan? I think I'll pass.
The two-state solution may well be dead. The Palestinians should have accepted it in 1947; they can now repent at leisure.
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Chinese diplomacy: you mean like the One Country Two Systems agreement on Hong Kong, broken after 23 years when it was supposed to last for 50? You mean like the bellicosity shown towards Taiwan? I think I'll pass.
The two-state solution may well be dead. The Palestinians should have accepted it in 1947; they can now repent at leisure.
Your constant invoking of the supposed transgressions by China regarding Hong Kong and Taiwan are laughable. You overlook entirely the "gunboat diplomacy" that led to UK "leasing" Hong Kong and then listen only to their version of broken treaties afterwards.
Chinese diplomacy, whether you accept it or not, has led to peace agreements in Yemen, Syria and rapprochement between previously hostile regimes. There is no denying the Chinese contribution to development and infrastructure throughout Africa, Asia and South America. Equally, there is no denying the crumbling infrastructure of the collective West and their destruction of other countries infrastructure.
Do you imagine that Africans are mulling these deals and then going to think about what the UK says about an "agreement" they forced the Chinese to sign at gunpoint a couple of hundred years ago, in order that the UK could freely traffic opium? Do you think that leaders of countries in the Global South take from these "agreements" the same conclusions as you?
Chinese build-UK destroy. That is what the world sees. Actions speak loudly, Steve.
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I accept very little of your post. You must be the only person who doesn't realize Hezbollah is funded by Iranian oil money. Who else pays for the welfare programmes, of which I am fully aware.
Hezbollah has many sources of funding-what about it? Why would you imagine that I am unaware of the sources of Hezbollah's funding? What is wrong with "Iranian oil money"? Does it differ from other money? Would it be ok if Iran gave them money that wasn't from oil?
Your interventions are meaningless.
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Your constant invoking of the supposed transgressions by China regarding Hong Kong and Taiwan are laughable. You overlook entirely the "gunboat diplomacy" that led to UK "leasing" Hong Kong and then listen only to their version of broken treaties afterwards.
Chinese diplomacy, whether you accept it or not, has led to peace agreements in Yemen, Syria and rapprochement between previously hostile regimes. There is no denying the Chinese contribution to development and infrastructure throughout Africa, Asia and South America. Equally, there is no denying the crumbling infrastructure of the collective West and their destruction of other countries infrastructure.
Do you imagine that Africans are mulling these deals and then going to think about what the UK says about an "agreement" they forced the Chinese to sign at gunpoint a couple of hundred years ago, in order that the UK could freely traffic opium? Do you think that leaders of countries in the Global South take from these "agreements" the same conclusions as you?
Chinese build-UK destroy. That is what the world sees. Actions speak loudly, Steve.
It was a treaty signed in good faith, maintaining democracy in Hong Kong for 50 years.
Chinese diplomacy when it doesn't go the right way for them: https://youtu.be/Bijz3_PokC4
.and always an ulterior motive where construction is concerned. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/05/07/the-billion-dollar-motorway-leading-montenegro-to-nowhere
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It was a treaty signed in good faith, maintaining democracy in Hong Kong for 50 years.
Chinese diplomacy when it doesn't go the right way for them: https://youtu.be/Bijz3_PokC4
.and always an ulterior motive where construction is concerned. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/05/07/the-billion-dollar-motorway-leading-montenegro-to-nowhere
The treaty was not signed in "good faith". It is a prime example of gunboat diplomacy. As for "maintaining democracy in Hong Kong for 50 years"?!. To maintain something-it needs to exist in the first place. Tell us, Steve, when exactly did the UK bring this democracy to Hong Kong which you claim China agreed to "maintain for 50 years"?
You've been reading regime propaganda again haven't you? Everything you have written is a distorted and untrue version of events. The UK never at any time allowed any democracy in Hong Kong. It was ruled by a UK government appointed Governor;
https://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/hongkonggovernors.htm
List of governors in link above. I couldn't find the results of the democratic elections that elected them. I'm sure you can help, Steve, knowing all you do about Hong Kong democracy and all.
Everything that you have written encapsulates why Empire is mistrusted globally and China is trusted globally. The rest of the world don't think like racist colonialists.
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The treaty was not signed in "good faith". It is a prime example of gunboat diplomacy. As for "maintaining democracy in Hong Kong for 50 years"?!. To maintain something-it needs to exist in the first place. Tell us, Steve, when exactly did the UK bring this democracy to Hong Kong which you claim China agreed to "maintain for 50 years"?
You've been reading regime propaganda again haven't you? Everything you have written is a distorted and untrue version of events. The UK never at any time allowed any democracy in Hong Kong. It was ruled by a UK government appointed Governor;
https://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/hongkonggovernors.htm
List of governors in link above. I couldn't find the results of the democratic elections that elected them. I'm sure you can help, Steve, knowing all you do about Hong Kong democracy and all.
Everything that you have written encapsulates why Empire is mistrusted globally and China is trusted globally. The rest of the world don't think like racist colonialists.
Hong Kong had its own parliament and independent judiciary, freedom of speech and assembly: all threatened by China's national security law (NSL) of 30 June 2020.
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Hong Kong had its own parliament and independent judiciary, freedom of speech and assembly: all threatened by China's national security law (NSL) of 30 June 2020.
Steve, you are clueless.
Are you still claiming that Hong Kong had any form of democracy to "maintain"?
You now move the goalposts to the above "word salad".
Hong Kong had its own parliament - It was ruled by a UK appointed governor who was advised by a legislative council that the Governor headed and appointed half of the council.
The sham of running elections for the first time for the legislative council(which had no power anyway) in 1994(3 years before the treaty expired) was just an obvious piece of perfidy by the UK government in order that half informed drones could make the arguments that you just have. Gets past the uninformed but falls apart on contact with reason once more meat is put on the bones of your latest pathetic apologia for gunboat imperialism.
and independent judiciary, freedom of speech and assembly: Who appointed the "independent judiciary", Steve? Simply tacking "independent" in front of a word doesn't magically make it so.
Hong Kong was treated as a colony. The UK weren't liberating Hong Kong when they captured it, they were trafficking opium. Do you not know any of this? If you do, then why are you attempting(badly) to paint the UK as some kind of benevolent uncle. Your revisionist history is straight from the colonialists themselves. You can polish it, cover it in glitter and put a bow on it before presenting it-but we can all see it's still just a turd.
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I am currently on a Google Cloud engineering course. One of the learners in my cohort is from Hong Kong, he is one of the many who have come here recently due to the recent CCP crackdown.
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As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also. :-\-
https://twitter.com/abierkhatib/status/1402038231508688896
No words. Absolute scum
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As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also. :-\-
https://twitter.com/abierkhatib/status/1402038231508688896
No words. Absolute scum
I'll give you some words: my information is it was a 9-year-old boy throwing stones at Israeli soldiers. If a British 9-year-old boy was throwing stones at police in Manchester City Centre he would be detained then let go without charge, as occurred with the incident you post here.
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I'll give you some words: my information is it was a 9-year-old boy throwing stones at Israeli soldiers. If a British 9-year-old boy was throwing stones at police in Manchester City Centre he would be detained then let go without charge, as occurred with the incident you post here.
If a British child were throwing stones at soldiers, that child would not be dragged off by heavily armed soldiers, Steve. If that did happen, on a regular basis as it does in Israel, it would not be tolerated. You obviously would tolerate it as can be reasonably inferred.
Those soldiers are only there to protect the Zionist state and see the Palestinian inhabitants as the enemy. You will never see those same police brutally arrest or detain an Israeli Jewish person(child or otherwise). They act as back up when illegal "settlers" attack Palestinian Arabs and bulldoze their homes.
How many Israeli Jews are are killed by Palestinians annually?
How many Palestinians are killed by Israeli "Security Forces" annually?
How many Israeli Jews are held in detention by Palestinians?
How many Palestinians are held in detention by Israel?
Answer those questions and the next two answer themselves
Who are the oppressed?
Who are the oppressors?
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If a British child were throwing stones at soldiers, that child would not be dragged off by heavily armed soldiers, Steve. If that did happen, on a regular basis as it does in Israel, it would not be tolerated. You obviously would tolerate it as can be reasonably inferred.
Those soldiers are only there to protect the Zionist state and see the Palestinian inhabitants as the enemy. You will never see those same police brutally arrest or detain an Israeli Jewish person(child or otherwise). They act as back up when illegal "settlers" attack Palestinian Arabs and bulldoze their homes.
How many Israeli Jews are are killed by Palestinians annually?
How many Palestinians are killed by Israeli "Security Forces" annually?
How many Israeli Jews are held in detention by Palestinians?
How many Palestinians are held in detention by Israel?
Answer those questions and the next two answer themselves
Who are the oppressed?
Who are the oppressors?
There's no solution currently following the failure of the Oslo Accords, principally because there's no trust left between the two parties. https://youtu.be/X3UqEn8EHSo
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I put Gringos question to chatGPT. The response is as follows
"As an AI language model, I do not have personal beliefs or opinions, but I can provide some context and information about the statement you mentioned.
Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah is the Secretary General of Hezbollah, a political and militant group based in Lebanon. He has made various statements in the past regarding Israel and its existence.
In a speech in 2018, Sayyed Nasrallah stated that he believes Israel will not last for more than 25 years, which would mean the end of the State of Israel by 2043. In a subsequent speech in 2020, he revised his prediction to 20 years, meaning the end of Israel by 2040.
It's important to note that these statements are political predictions and opinions, rather than statements of fact, and they are highly controversial and disputed. The future is inherently unpredictable, and many factors could influence the fate of Israel in the coming years.
Furthermore, it's worth noting that such statements could contribute to tensions and animosity between different groups and nations. It's always important to approach such statements with a critical and analytical mindset and to strive for peaceful solutions to conflicts."
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If a British child were throwing stones at soldiers, that child would not be dragged off by heavily armed soldiers, Steve. If that did happen, on a regular basis as it does in Israel, it would not be tolerated. You obviously would tolerate it as can be reasonably inferred.
Those soldiers are only there to protect the Zionist state and see the Palestinian inhabitants as the enemy. You will never see those same police brutally arrest or detain an Israeli Jewish person(child or otherwise). They act as back up when illegal "settlers" attack Palestinian Arabs and bulldoze their homes.
How many Israeli Jews are are killed by Palestinians annually?
How many Palestinians are killed by Israeli "Security Forces" annually?
How many Israeli Jews are held in detention by Palestinians?
How many Palestinians are held in detention by Israel?
Answer those questions and the next two answer themselves
Who are the oppressed?
Who are the oppressors?
i dont know how an amed trianed soldier can say with a straght face that a kid with a stone is a threat to his life
but were are the adults you think somone be there to protect those kids
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An excellent timeline and brief summary of the short history of Israel and Zionism. For those unaware of Israel's history, it is a must read. So many of today's conflicts and troubles have their roots in this historical aberration called Israel and a lot of smoke/fog will suddenly clear. Well worth the time to read, it will be enlightening.
http://www.us-uk-interventions.org/Israel_and_Palestine.html
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And a more accurate appraisal of the human cost of Zionist theft and occupation than the horseshit that David claims;
https://pdf.defence.pk/threads/palestinian-genocide-5-100-000-palestinians-have-been-killed-since-1948.416222/
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I don't know where you get your 5 million figure from gringo. A Pakistani website? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war
If you do start a war you do run the risk of being killed and losing territory, don't you..https://youtu.be/t5JbNNtNKLc
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I don't know where you get your 5 million figure from gringo. A Pakistani website? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war
If you do start a war you do run the risk of being killed and losing territory, don't you..https://youtu.be/t5JbNNtNKLc
It is stolen land. The 1948 "so called" invasion of Israel being just one example of the twisted victim mentality of the Zionist Jews. The Jews carried out many documented atrocities of Arabs in the 1948 Nakba. Ethnically cleansing huge areas and massacring the inhabitants.
The foundational myth of Israel- "A land without people for a people without land", a huge lie, fittingly for a state built on lies. After the theft, destruction and slaughter of Arabs in 1948 by armed Jewish terror groups, such as Irgun, Stern gang et al.- to then call the retaliation by the Arabs to this slaughter and theft of their property and land, an invasion, is chutzpah of the highest order.
It wasn't "a land without people". The whole idea of Zionism is nothing but lies and brutal occupation of stolen land. The invading Jews are all of European heritage, they have no connection to the land they stole in Palestine. Their time there is limited.
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Raised to hate. These are the "Zionist settlers" and scum that are tacitly condoned by supporters of the illegitimate Zionist state. Vile;
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1701277928095396233
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Raised to hate. These are the "Zionist settlers" and scum that are tacitly condoned by supporters of the illegitimate Zionist state. Vile;
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1701277928095396233
Any good at long division gringo? 16 million Jews in the world divided by 1.8 billion Muslims.
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Any good at long division gringo? 16 million Jews in the world divided by 1.8 billion Muslims.
It was Christians they were harassing. Zionism is the problem, Steve. It is a racist, hateful and supremacist ideology as was demonstrated in the footage. Mobs of children and teenage boys harassing and assaulting women whilst parents and elders just looked on. Not a single Muslim in the footage, why bring them up?
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It was Christians they were harassing. Zionism is the problem, Steve. It is a racist, hateful and supremacist ideology as was demonstrated in the footage. Mobs of children and teenage boys harassing and assaulting women whilst parents and elders just looked on. Not a single Muslim in the footage, why bring them up?
..because there are areas of the world where there are tensions. Remember this story? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/07/two-sisters-killed-and-mother-injured-in-west-bank-shooting
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Who is the aggressor now..https://www.aol.co.uk/news/israel-declares-state-war-alert-062751487.html
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Who is the aggressor now..https://www.aol.co.uk/news/israel-declares-state-war-alert-062751487.html
Israel are always the aggressors based on the simple fact that they are the brutal occupiers of stolen land. Any resistance against illegal occupation and Israeli brutality is legitimate. Remember that the occupiers can run home with their dual citizenships. The Palestinians have nowhere else to run to.
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Israel are always the aggressors based on the simple fact that they are the brutal occupiers of stolen land. Any resistance against illegal occupation and Israeli brutality is legitimate. Remember that the occupiers can run home with their dual citizenships. The Palestinians have nowhere else to run to.
Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005. Do you think today's action will entice them into ceding more territory?
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Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005. Do you think today's action will entice them into ceding more territory?
It may enforce rather than entice territorial changes. The idea that HB and Roch have been tossing around regarding Israel "allowing" the incursions in order to provoke the escalation has a lot of merit. I believe this to be the case also. I believe that the Israelis have also been well and truly caught off guard by the scale and scope of events. Have a read of MOA today for the background to the latest escalation. Good discussion below the line also;
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/palestine-strikes-back.html#more
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It may enforce rather than entice territorial changes. The idea that HB and Roch have been tossing around regarding Israel "allowing" the incursions in order to provoke the escalation has a lot of merit. I believe this to be the case also. I believe that the Israelis have also been well and truly caught off guard by the scale and scope of events. Have a read of MOA today for the background to the latest escalation. Good discussion below the line also;
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/palestine-strikes-back.html#more
Definitely something not right Gringo.
"We have no idea how this could have happened."
That is the reaction Israeli officials have been giving today when I ask them how, with all its vast resources, Israeli intelligence did not see this attack coming.
Dozens of armed Palestinian gunmen were able to cross the heavily fortified border between Israel and the Gaza Strip, while thousands of rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel.
With the combined efforts of Shin Bet, Israeli domestic intelligence, Mossad, its external spy agency and all the assets of the Israel Defense Forces, it is frankly astounding that nobody saw this coming.
Or if they did, they failed to act on it.
Israel has arguably the most extensive and well-funded intelligence services in the Middle East.
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Definitely something not right Gringo.
"We have no idea how this could have happened."
That is the reaction Israeli officials have been giving today when I ask them how, with all its vast resources, Israeli intelligence did not see this attack coming.
Dozens of armed Palestinian gunmen were able to cross the heavily fortified border between Israel and the Gaza Strip, while thousands of rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel.
With the combined efforts of Shin Bet, Israeli domestic intelligence, Mossad, its external spy agency and all the assets of the Israel Defense Forces, it is frankly astounding that nobody saw this coming.
Or if they did, they failed to act on it.
Israel has arguably the most extensive and well-funded intelligence services in the Middle East.
I agree, HB, which leaves us with a conundrum. If intelligence had indeed, "seen it coming", then why did they let it happen? It has long been apparent that "intelligence agencies" are not acting on behalf of their own government. In other words, they answer to and act on behalf of some other "authority". This is apparent from incidents such as the recent clashes in Syria between Pentagon and CIA funded "rebels"/terrorists. US Intel agencies fighting each other in their own "turf wars" in Syria :o
It seems, to me at least, that we have found ourselves in a position where governments act at the behest of shadowy intelligence agencies rather than vice versa. We were warned of this great conspiracy by many notable statesmen including JFK. Whatever happened to him?
He expressed that the we should, "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds", then he got assassinated. Things have got much much worse since then.
There are amongst the Zionists many zealots who believe in and work towards "end time prophecies". We unleashed a very dangerous beast in the aftermath of WW2. Israel should never have been recognised as a state and the Zionist terror gangs should have been dealt with as the murderous scum they were. It would be the equivalent of recognising ISIS as a legitimate state on territory they held via terror and genocide in the present. Something that western governments have actually been working towards.
The inability and lack of agency of western publics to bring to being JFK's vision of, "splintering the CIA into a thousand pieces and to scatter it into the winds" has only delayed, rather than prevented, its demise. The "job" of splintering not just the CIA, but the many other bad actors and agents of finance and bankers, has been taken up with gusto by a wide alliance, all acting in co-ordination to finally destroy Imperialism.
The Empire will not be striking back when all is over. Their ability to be able to do so is being dismantled and they have lost control of events.
The big worry at the moment is who has control over the undeclared nuclear weapons of the Zionist terror state.
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mossad are supposed to be the best spys in the world i find it hard to belive they dont hae agents in gazza who woul of told o any plannedd attack theres also the fact gazza has been blockaded for god knows how long so how did they get all those weapons
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The Egyptians have claimed they warned Netenyahu 10 days beforehand and he didn't seem that arsed about it.
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egpt warned them https://youtu.be/n8RUXLNdSUM
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https://off-guardian.org/2023/10/09/discuss-hamas-declares-war-on-israel/
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who created hamas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcY2Fa8Fx4I
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who created hamas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcY2Fa8Fx4I
The remark attributed to Netanyahu is apocryphal. https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history
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Whoever was behind the actions of Yigal Amir has a lot to answer for. Since then the kind of people running Israel have been like Sachs Baron Cohen's parody of an Israeli General.
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Whoever was behind the actions of Yigal Amir has a lot to answer for. Since then the kind of people running Israel have been like Sachs Baron Cohen's parody of an Israeli General.
Let's take a step back in history, as your post suggests. Yasser Arafat was offered 92% of the West Bank, 100% of Gaza, a bridge connecting the two territories and custodianship of a capital in East Jerusalem. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3
It looks like the current situation will be a million inhabitants of north Gaza forced to move southwards, or face the backlash.
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A BRICS peace plan for Israel and Gaza, but not for Ukraine. https://youtu.be/PDYB1mTWiSY
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isreals own paper afmits it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1jvaEg1iw
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Let's take a step back in history, as your post suggests. Yasser Arafat was offered 92% of the West Bank, 100% of Gaza, a bridge connecting the two territories and custodianship of a capital in East Jerusalem. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3
It looks like the current situation will be a million inhabitants of north Gaza forced to move southwards, or face the backlash.
You need to take several more steps and view with more objectivity than you are currently doing. You constantly make extremely bold statements that are laughable distortions and misrepresentations of the facts they are tenuously connected to. They are also stripped of any context or nuance.
The step back in history that Roch suggested is a relevant reference point. As Roch obviously knows but you failed to consider, Yigal Amir is the Zionist terrorist who murdered the PM of Israel at the time, Yitzhak Rabin in 1995.
The repeated misrepresentation of Yasser Arafat being responsible for the current plight of the Palestinians is such an egregious lie that it must be corrected. Your timeline starts and ends in 2000 and is anyway a lie. The real timeline starts a few years prior to Rabin's assassination and the agreements that he made with Arafat as head of the PLO. The success of Arafat led to the sponsoring and creation of Hamas by Israel, as Nugs has referenced. You would learn something if you read the link below. I will anyway copy the most relevant parts as the following post;
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Yasser-Arafat/From-agreement-to-the-second-intifadah
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Yasser-Arafat/From-agreement-to-the-second-intifadah
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In July 2000 Clinton convened a summit at Camp David in northern Maryland, where the historic Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt had been negotiated in 1978. The aim was to find a final agreement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict after five years of Palestinian self-rule. The summit was hastily prepared, however, and, since the most contentious issues—the question of the right of return for Palestinian refugees, control of Jerusalem, borders, and Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip—were being discussed for the first time, it was unlikely that these sensitive and complex matters would be resolved quickly. From the beginning, Arafat was suspicious of the summit and its timing, and although some progress was made, in the end there was no final settlement.
Negotiations continued after the failure at Camp David, but a visit by Likud leader Ariel Sharon to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in September 2000 sparked the second intifada, and the dwindling talks ground to a halt. A spiral of harsh repression by the Israeli army and violence by different armed Palestinian groups subsequently led to both sides’ total loss of confidence in the peace process. In spite of the January 2001 negotiations at Taba, Egypt, which were held independently of the United States and made important progress, the Barak government lost the February 2001 general elections and Sharon—a strong opponent of both the Oslo Accords and the creation of a Palestinian state—was elected prime minister. “We have no partner for peace” was once more the general sentiment of many Israeli political parties.
Arafat lost much of his diplomatic credibility with the West after the election of U.S. Pres. George W. Bush in November 2000 and the launch of the “war on terror” in 2001, which followed the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. In 2001, following suicide attacks in Israel that Sharon blamed Arafat for instigating, Arafat was confined by Israel to his headquarters in Ramallah. In October 2004 Arafat fell ill and was transported to Paris for medical treatment, where he died the following month. Fatah later passed a unanimous resolution that held Israel responsible for Arafat’s death.
Alain Gresh
Many of Arafat’s supporters doubted that he had died a natural death, their suspicions being fueled in part by the doctors’ inability to identify the origin of his illness and the lack of an autopsy, and rumours circulated that he had died from poisoning. These suspicions surfaced again in July 2012 when a Swiss laboratory announced that it had discovered elevated levels of polonium-210 on some of Arafat’s clothes and personal belongings. French prosecutors launched a murder investigation later that year in response to a request by Arafat’s widow. In November 2012 Arafat’s remains were exhumed so that teams of Swiss, Russian, and French experts could test for signs of poisoning.
The results of the separate investigations, released in late 2013, were contradictory. The Russian report was released first and found no traces of polonium-210. The Swiss and French results both found abnormally high levels of polonium-210 but disagreed on how it got into his remains: the Swiss study concluded that poisoning could not be ruled out, while the French study concluded that the presence of polonium-210 could be explained as environmental in origin.
No report went without controversy, moreover. There were claims of outright interference in the Russian investigation, including claims that the Russian scientists were instructed on what the outcome should be. The Swiss report cited a number of intervening factors that effected uncertainty in the interpretation of the results, including the length of time since the death and the incomplete “chain of custody” of Arafat’s clothes and belongings studied in the earlier investigation. Palestinian officials and Arafat’s widow dismissed the French conclusions as “politicized.”
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An excellent article about the subject from the excellent Patrick Cockburn from 2013. Worth a read for some historical context;
https://www.unz.com/pcockburn/was-yasser-arafat-murdered-lethal-levels-of-polonium-found-in-body-of-palestinian-leader/
Polonium 210. Hmmm! So Zionists have form for using polonium 210 as an assassination technique. Raises a few questions around the Litvinenko assassination to enquiring minds. Spraying "undetectable poisons" in attempted assassinations previously in Jordan. Raises questions around the Skripals horseshit put out by the UK government to enquiring minds.
The current unequivocal support for planned and announced war crimes, ie. the attempted and threatened complete ethnic cleansing of the civilian population of Gaza by Israel via collective punishment by bombing and complete cutting off of energy, water, food etc., to be followed by the forced displacement of 2 million people. The mask is off completely now.
It is all desperation and lashing out at the hopelessness of the situation for the West and the Zionists. One way or another the question posed at the start of the thread will be answered. It appears that Nasrallah is correct. The world, outside of the apologists for NATO and their annex in Occupied Palestine, are utterly revolted by the openly genocidal actions and talk from the West. The colonialists and Imperialists are about to be washed away by the tide of history.
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It is said that a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on. More accurately- a litany of lies upon lies made its way around the western hemisphere. The majority of the world have always known the truth of the Zionist Terror state but lacked the collective strength to do anything.
Now 75 years on and the truth is suited, booted and on the march. Isn'tReal, the bastard child of MI6 and international finance midwifed by Zionist genocidal terrorists.
Born by and from terror 1948. Died by and from terror 2023.
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It is said that a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on. More accurately- a litany of lies upon lies made its way around the western hemisphere. The majority of the world have always known the truth of the Zionist Terror state but lacked the collective strength to do anything.
Now 75 years on and the truth is suited, booted and on the march. Isn'tReal, the bastard child of MI6 and international finance midwifed by Zionist genocidal terrorists.
Born by and from terror 1948. Died by and from terror 2023.
..and what was the intention of several Arab states on 14 May 1948 when they attacked Tel Aviv? https://youtu.be/6stb6sVITbM
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..and what was the intention of several Arab states on 14 May 1948 when they attacked Tel Aviv? https://youtu.be/6stb6sVITbM
They were defending their own land and homes. Israel was declared a state by the Jewish equivalent of ISIS on 14th May 1948. Are you seriously calling Arabs defending against this monstrosity the attackers? You are historically illiterate :-[ The truth is fully "suited and booted" and marching now, Steve.
All of the lies will be exposed. You probably still believe the foundational lies and myths of Israel. Do you still believe that Palestine was "a land without people for a people without land"? Or do you now accept that there were already people on that land? People(the Palestinians) who the Zionist terror state have been slowly genociding and ethnically cleansing since their terror state came into being?
You need to wake up and face the truth. The lies that you repeat are now indefensible. The whole world is now aware of, and revolted by the lies, murder and genocide of the Zionists
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They were defending their own land and homes. Israel was declared a state by the Jewish equivalent of ISIS on 14th May 1948. Are you seriously calling Arabs defending against this monstrosity the attackers? You are historically illiterate :-[ The truth is fully "suited and booted" and marching now, Steve.
All of the lies will be exposed. You probably still believe the foundational lies and myths of Israel. Do you still believe that Palestine was "a land without people for a people without land"? Or do you now accept that there were already people on that land? People(the Palestinians) who the Zionist terror state have been slowly genociding and ethnically cleansing since their terror state came into being?
You need to wake up and face the truth. The lies that you repeat are now indefensible. The whole world is now aware of, and revolted by the lies, murder and genocide of the Zionists
But you are conveniently forgetting UN Resolution 181. https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181
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But you are conveniently forgetting UN Resolution 181. https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181
I aren't "conveniently" forgetting anything. You on the other hand, don't know enough for a poor memory to inconvenience you. Do you still believe that Palestine "was a land without people"? The whole statehood and mythology of Isn'tReal is lies in order to veil the 75 years long and ongoing murder, theft and genocide. You are amongst the last to realise that the veil is well and truly removed.
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I aren't "conveniently" forgetting anything. You on the other hand, don't know enough for a poor memory to inconvenience you. Do you still believe that Palestine "was a land without people"? The whole statehood and mythology of Isn'tReal is lies in order to veil the 75 years long and ongoing murder, theft and genocide. You are amongst the last to realise that the veil is well and truly removed.
The point is that the United Nations decided the territory would be divided. The Jews accepted it and the Arabs did not. If you then start a war to claim that territory don't be surprised if you lose it when vanquished.
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The point is that the United Nations decided the territory would be divided. The Jews accepted it and the Arabs did not. If you then start a war to claim that territory don't be surprised if you lose it when vanquished.
It was and is Palestinian/Arab territory. Zionists launched a terror campaign of murder, ethnic cleansing and theft to claim that land. This is all a matter of historical record. UN resolutions came after and in response to the terror campaign waged by genocidal Zionist supremacists. UN resolutions that the Isn'treali's have consistently ignored anyway. So to re-phrase your glib dismissal of Palestinian rights;
"If you use terror, ethnic cleansing and genocide to claim territory, don't be surprised when you are vanquished".
I'm sure that the UN will respond to the new facts on the ground with another resolution.
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Ofer Cassif is an Israeli Member of Parliament who has been fighting for peace and reconciliation with the Palestinians and their right to return to their homeland. He predicts that Israel is dooming itself not only by committing genocide against the Palestinians and shocking the entire non-western World, but by arming its own citizens to the teeth. Civil war is around the corner as society is growing ever more extremist and its democratic institutions are being dismantled. Unless there is rapid change, Isreal will self-destruct from the inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzX_sYAoNDM&t=1428s
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Ofer Cassif is an Israeli Member of Parliament who has been fighting for peace and reconciliation with the Palestinians and their right to return to their homeland. He predicts that Israel is dooming itself not only by committing genocide against the Palestinians and shocking the entire non-western World, but by arming its own citizens to the teeth. Civil war is around the corner as society is growing ever more extremist and its democratic institutions are being dismantled. Unless there is rapid change, Isreal will self-destruct from the inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzX_sYAoNDM&t=1428s
Are you surprised Israel has blockaded Gaza for 16 years? Didn't October 7 prove this was the only possible course of action? Ofer Cassif leads a Communist faction in the Knesset. They hold three out of 120 seats.
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Are you surprised Israel has blockaded Gaza for 16 years? Didn't October 7 prove this was the only possible course of action? Ofer Cassif leads a Communist faction in the Knesset. They hold three out of 120 seats.
Israel have no right to be in Gaza or blockading it. The blockade is inhumane and you would be more honest and accurate to recognise that October 7th was caused by 16 years of blockade amongst other things. To claim, as you do, that October 7th proves that they were right all along to blockade for 16 years is "arse to tit". That you don't recognise you are simply justifying the slow ethnic cleansing of a population with your apologia for Israel's illegal actions speaks volumes. You have no objectivity.