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Title: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 02:06:PM
These are all things the evidence shows Sheila did or people claim she did -

Re load - 3 minutes.

Re load again - 3 minutes.

Go upstairs. Shoot June 5 times in bed - 3 minutes.

Shoot Daniel 5 times in bed - 2 minutes.

Shoot Nicholas 3 times in bed - 2 minutes.

Paint nails - 45 minutes.

Shoot Nevill 4 times upstairs - 2 minutes.

Go downstairs. Fight with Nevill - 3 minutes.

Lift Nevill onto coal scuttle - Impossible but say 5 minutes..

Shoot Nevill 4 more times - 2 minutes.

Burn Nevill's back - 8 minutes.

Go upstairs. Shoot June 2 times - 2 minutes.

Remove & put away silencer - 3 minutes.

Shower - 5 minutes.

Change & dispose of massacre clothes - 5 minutes.

Write suicide note - 5 to 15 minutes.

Get & read bible - 5 to 15 minutes.

Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 02:09:PM
Minimum time 103 minutes.

Maximum time 123 minutes.

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This is generously saying Sheila was as efficient as a navy seal & everything kicked off the second Nevill terminated his last call.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 02:13:PM
Obviously not enough time from Nevill's 'around 3.10am' call to Bamber to 3.50am when the police arrived. 

Miles away from having enough time from a 3.26am or 3.36am call from Nevill to the police. Which only gave Sheila 14 or 24 minutes.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 02:17:PM
Obviously Nevill was fully fit when making his final phone call.

Meaning Sheila had to do everything within 14, 24 or 40 minutes.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 03:46:PM
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10774.msg496692.html#msg496692

Robs Sheila scenario has Sheila painting her nails. After Nevill's final call & before the police arrive.

I have amended my thread post & added 10 minutes to the times.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 04:12:PM
The judge commented on Sheila's extreme time constraints in his summing up.

Trying to fit 68/88 minutes  into 40 minutes is currently impossible. Even if everything kicked off the second Nevill put the phone down & Sheila worked like a navy seal.

Myself & Guest29835 believe it would take a much more focused Bamber 1 hour to do what he did.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 04:21:PM
The judge commented on Sheila's extreme time constraints in his summing up.

Trying to fit 68/88 minutes  into 40 minutes is currently impossible. Even if everything kicked off the second Nevill put the phone down & Sheila worked like a navy seal.

Myself & Guest29835 believe it would take a much more focused Bamber 1 hour to do what he did.

Yet again pure surmising no substance.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 04:28:PM
Yet again pure surmising no substance.

Well there are 17 things the evidence shows Sheila did or people suggest she did.

All these were done between Nevill terminating his last phone call & the police arriving.

Obviously impossible to do all of these in 14, 24 or 40 minutes. Even if Sheila worked like a navy seal straight after Nevill put the phone down.

Now if Bamber had said he received Nevill's call at 2.20am......the problem here is there is now over an hour before he phones the police.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 04:38:PM
Supporters will have to do some serious time slicing to fit everything into 40 minutes.

Nevill making 3.26am/36am calls is not a possibility.

A good start would be to remove the bible reading & suicide note. Which negates 10 - 30 minutes.

But that would mean accepting the bible was a plant & Sheila didn't write a suicide note.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 04:41:PM
Supporters will have to do some setious time slicing to fit everything into 40 minutes.

Nevill making 3.26am/36am calls is not a possibility.

A good start would be to remove the bible reading & suicide note. Which negates 10 - 30 minutes.

But that would mean accepting the bible was a plant & Sheila didn't write a suicide note.

Good luck.

Preferably not having Sheila as a navy seal. It is no secret she was very drowsy & uncordinated.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 04:47:PM
Supporters will have to do some setious time slicing to fit everything into 40 minutes.

Nevill making 3.26am/36am calls is not a possibility.

A good start would be to remove the bible reading & suicide note. Which negates 10 - 30 minutes.

But that would mean accepting the bible was a plant & Sheila didn't write a suicide note.

Good luck.

Your logic is flawed.

It's akin to saying " let's start a business we will 50 customers a day at ten pound a time"
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 04:49:PM
Your estimations are pure guess work. And very off the scale
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 04:52:PM
Another option is saying Sheila didn't shower, change & paint her nails.

But then there is no defence to the prosecution case regarding zero evidence on Sheila.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 04:55:PM
Saying Sheila did not burn Nevill's back negates 8 minutes.

But then Bamber couldn't have made his 2004-2012 CCRC submission. Where he says - 'Sheila burnt Nevill's back'!
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 04:56:PM
Another option is saying Sheila didn't shower, change & paint her nails.

But then there is no defence to the prosecution case regarding zero evidence on Sheila.

Off topic slightly. You have a connection with this case don't you?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 04:57:PM
The rest of the things, both supporters & guilters agree happened.

Reloads, bullet & body locations are part of the crime scene.

None of these can be taken away to reduce time.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 05:00:PM
Saying Sheila did not burn Nevill's back negates 8 minutes.

But then Bamber couldn't have made his 2004-2012 CCRC submission. Where he says - 'Sheila burnt Nevill's back'!

Where do you get your eight minutes from?

Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 05:03:PM
Both supporters & guilters agree Nevill did not make any calls at 3.26/3.36am. Fitting 68/88 minutes into 14/24 is a dead duck.

They need to focus on the 3.10am - 3.50am period & decide what of the 7 options Sheila didn't do -

Shower
Change
Dispose of clothes
Paint nails.
Burn Nevill's back
Read bible
Write suicide note

We can then see if everything can be fitted into 40 minutes. Preferably with Sheila not being a navy seal.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 05:04:PM
Both supporters & guilters agree Nevill did not make any calls at 3.26/3.36am. Fitting 68/88 minutes into 14/24 is a dead duck.

They need to focus on the 3.10am - 3.50am period & decide what of the 7 options Sheila didn't do -

Shower
Change
Dispose of clothes
Paint nails.
Burn Nevill's back
Read bible
Write suicide note

Mate you are talking pure bollocks
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 05:07:PM
This guy is on crack.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 05:09:PM
Both supporters & guilters agree Nevill did not make any calls at 3.26/3.36am. Fitting 68/88 minutes into 14/24 is a dead duck.

They need to focus on the 3.10am - 3.50am period & decide what of the 7 options Sheila didn't do -

Shower
Change
Dispose of clothes
Paint nails.
Burn Nevill's back
Read bible
Write suicide note


We can then see if everything can be fitted into 40 minutes. Preferably with Sheila not being a navy seal.

Of course deleting any of these will be with gritted teeth. There are huge disadvantages to supporters in admitting Sheila did not do one or all of these.

May be easier to accept Sheila didn't commit the massacre.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 05:13:PM
https://youtu.be/ju2qr2986P8
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 05:23:PM
Bamber had no time constraints inside WHF. He left when he was ready.

The only time issue he had was the time between calling his AM & calling the police. He needed to 'borrow' June's bike for that.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 05:25:PM
Bamber had no time constraints inside WHF. He left when he was ready.

The only time issue he had was the time between calling his AM & calling the police. He needed to 'borrow' June's bike for that.

No evidence Jeremy Bamber stole his mother's bike
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 05:27:PM
Supporters need to change stance.

It is proven Sheila could not achieve everything the evidence shows she 'certainly' did together with what the CT suggest she did, in 40 minutes. 

The judge first said this in 1986.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 07:57:PM
Saying Sheila did not burn Nevill's back negates 8 minutes.

But then Bamber couldn't have made his 2004-2012 CCRC submission. Where he says - 'Sheila burnt Nevill's back'!

Can't take this guy seriously

Evidently close to the investigation. Heavily biased. Hidden agenda.

Surprised his account has lasted almost 11 years.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Rob_ on November 26, 2022, 08:13:PM
Off topic slightly. You have a connection with this case don't you?

I think so to, Adams thoughts and logic are so poisoned and flawed. Perhaps it's time for him to come clean?

Any fair minded person can see there is a problem with this case.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 09:21:PM
I think so to, Adams thoughts and logic are so poisoned and flawed. Perhaps it's time for him to come clean?

Any fair minded person can see there is a problem with this case.

How do you feel about now being a guilter?

Even you won't try to get 68/88 minutes into 40 & claim Sheila was an ex navy seal.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:24:PM
How do you feel about now being a guilter.

Even you won't try to get 68/88 minutes into 40 & claim Sheila was an ex navy seal.

I know you are connected to this case.

Nobody would spend the amount of time posting spam etc like you do over an almost ten year period
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 09:32:PM
I know you are connected to this case.

Nobody would spend the amount of time posting spam etc like you do over an almost ten year period

How do you feel about now being a guilter?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:37:PM
How do you feel about now being a guilter?

Never will be a guilter. I am on the fence leaning to innocence. Always have been
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:37:PM
How did June bamber get a knee wound from a bedbound position ?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 09:40:PM
Never will be a guilter. I am on the fence leaning to innocence. Always have been

How could Sheila do everything in 40 minutes?

My generous estimate has it taking 68/88 minutes.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:44:PM
How could Sheila do everything in 40 minutes?

My generous estimate has it taking 68/88 minutes.

What time did Collins and delgado enter whf?

Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 09:45:PM
What time did Collins and delgado enter whf?

No idea.

Do you agree Sheila was not an ex navy seal?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Rob_ on November 26, 2022, 09:46:PM
How do you feel about now being a guilter?

Even you won't try to get 68/88 minutes into 40 & claim Sheila was an ex navy seal.

Not sure what you are saying Adam? the shootings would have all been over fairly quickly, though Sheila shot herself much latter when the police broke in.

Navy seals? absolutely no skill was necessary to carry out the shootings, all shots from point blank range into mostly stationary targets.

You know my thoughts on the case, if you think I am a guilter, then you need to start posting some proper compelling evidence so I change stance but you have absolutely nothing do you?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:48:PM
No idea.

Do you agree Sheila was not an ex navy seal?

Delgado statement raid team officer

" We approached the kitchen door  at 7.30am"

So they entered basically at that time.

Which totally blows your timeframes away.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 09:50:PM
Not sure what you are saying Adam? the shootings would have all been over fairly quickly, though Sheila shot herself much latter when the police broke in.

Navy seals? absolutely no skill was necessary to carry out the shootings, all shots from point blank range into mostly stationary targets.

You know my thoughts on the case, if you think I am a guilter, then you need to start posting some proper compelling evidence so I change stance but you have absolutely nothing do you?

How did Sheila do the 17 things in my thread post in 40 minutes?

Or do you believe some of those things she didn't do?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 09:51:PM
Delgado statement raid team officer

" We approached the kitchen door  at 7.30am"

So they entered basically at that time.

Which totally blows your timeframes away.

Was the judge wrong in giving Sheila a 40 minute time frame?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:51:PM
Where do you get the forty minute window from?

Apart from your own head.

In a Shelia scenario there is almost a four hour window
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:53:PM
Was the judge wrong in giving Sheila a 40 minute time frame?

Yes. I think so. A leading barrister has already considered his summing up as unfair and not paying attention to Bambers evidence.

How can you ascertain a forty minute window from 3am to discovering the dead bodies four and a half hours later

Coupled with a time of death estimate not established?

Completely ludicrous
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 09:54:PM
Where do you get the forty minute window from?

Apart from your own head.

In a Shelia scenario there is almost a four hour window

3.10am - Nevill calls Bamber.

3.50am - The police & Bamber arrive at WHF.


No one heard or saw any movement from 3.50am.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Steve_uk on November 26, 2022, 09:55:PM
Where do you get the forty minute window from?

Apart from your own head.

In a Shelia scenario there is almost a four hour window
I assume because according to the Defence case Nevill's call to Jeremy timed Sheila's possession of the gun at the time of that call.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:56:PM
3.10am - Nevill calls Bamber.

3.50am - The police & Bamber arrive at WHF.


No one heard or saw any movement from 3.50am.

Conflicting statements in regards to this.

The fact of the matter is the raid team did not enter the property till 7.30am. so nothing could be established in regards to anybody being alive or not in that property

Grapple with reality you know this
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 09:56:PM
Yes. I think so. A leading barrister has already considered his summing up as unfair and not paying attention to Bambers evidence.

How can you ascertain a forty minute window from 3am to discovering the dead bodies almost four hours later?

Coupled with a time of death estimate not established?

Completely ludicrous

What do you believe Sheila was doing inside WHF after the police arrived. In the dark?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:56:PM
No idea.

Do you agree Sheila was not an ex navy seal?

She wasn't, neither was Jeremy nevill bamber
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 09:58:PM
What do you believe Sheila was doing inside WHF after the police arrived. In the dark?

In reference to bamber bews and co or the gun boys?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 09:59:PM
Conflicting statements in regards to this.

The fact of the matter is the raid team did not enter the property till 7.30am. so nothing could be established in regards to anybody being alive or not in that property

Grapple with reality you know this

Do you agree 40 minutes is not long enough & Sheila would still be doing things after the police arrived?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:01:PM
In reference to bamber bews and co or the gun boys?

In reference to your opinion.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:02:PM
She wasn't, neither was Jeremy nevill bamber

Should I add on another 20 minutes to my time estimates?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:03:PM
Do you agree 40 minutes is not long enough & Sheila would still be doing things after the police arrived?

I believe she had a four hour window.

Nobody could put her deceased until they entered the farmhouse.

The forty minute window is not feasible.

Bews Myall and Saxby merely did the perimeter. Before sending in for the gun boys
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:04:PM
In reference to your opinion.

Well there were three officers dispatched originally and then the raid team arrived so what are you suggesting,?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:05:PM
Should I add on another 20 minutes to my time estimates?

There is a four hour window.

Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:06:PM
Well there were three officers dispatched originally and then the raid team arrived so what are you suggesting,?

What of the 17 things in my thread post did Sheila do after the police & Bamber arrived.

In your opinion.

Second request.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:09:PM
What of the 17 things in my thread post did Sheila do after the police & Bamber arrived.

In your opinion.

Second request.

Do you accept that there was a four hour window?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:10:PM
Do you accept that there was a four hour window?

I need your answer. Which needs to negate me & the judge.

What of the 17 things in my thread post did Sheila do after the police & Bamber arrived.

In your opinion.

Third request
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:14:PM
I need your answer. Which needs to negate me & the judge.

What of the 17 things in my thread post did Sheila do after the police & Bamber arrived.

In your opinion.

Third request

Are you connected to the case? 24th request

How did June bamber receive a knee wound from a bed bound position? Fourth request?

Do you accept there was a four hour window from the police being contacted to finding Shelia caffell deceased? Third request
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:17:PM
Are you connected to the case? 24th request

How did June bamber receive a knee wound from a bed bound position? Fourth request?

Do you accept there was a four hour window from the police being contacted to finding Shelia caffell deceased? Third request

I am not connected to the case.

You agree Sheila could not do everything in 40 minutes.

I need your answer. Which needs to negate me & the judge.

What of the 17 things in my thread post did Sheila do after the police & Bamber arrived.

In your opinion.

Forth request
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:18:PM
I am not connected to the case.

You agree Sheila could not do everything in 40 minutes.

I need your answer. Which needs to negate me & the judge.

What of the 17 things in my thread post did Sheila do after the police & Bamber arrived.

In your opinion.

Forth request

There isnt a timescale period of forty minutes. It is four hours Im afraid.

So therefore your claim is null and void
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:20:PM
There isnt a timescale period of forty minutes. It is four hours Im afraid.

So therefore your claim is null and void

Do you believe Sheila was doing the 17 things over 4 hours. But no one saw or heard her?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:24:PM
I do agree with ILB & the judge that Sheila could not have done everything in 40 minutes.

ILB is saying Sheila took up to 4 hours. But refuses to say what Sheila was doing after the police & Bamber arrived.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:24:PM
Do you believe Sheila was doing the 17 things over 4 hours. But no one saw or heard her?

Are you now saying you are accepting that there was a four hour window?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:26:PM
ILB has not said Sheila did not do any of these -

Shower
Change
Dispose of clothes
Paint nails.
Burn Nevill's back
Read bible
Write suicide note

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Therefore the 17 things remain.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:26:PM
I do agree with ILB & the judge that Sheila could not have done everything in 40 minutes.

ILB is saying Sheila took up to 4 hours. But refuses to say what Sheila was doing after the police & Bamber arrived.

There is a four hour window

Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:28:PM
Are you now saying you are accepting that there was a four hour window?

I would do.

But disagreeing with the judge & prosecution is hard when no explanation of what Sheila was doing after the police & Bamber arrived.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:30:PM
I would do.

But disagreeing with the judge & prosecution is hard when no explanation of what Sheila was doing after the police & Bamber arrived.

Well seeing as though nobody entered the farmhouse until 7.30am it is no surprise is it.....
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:30:PM
There is a four hour window

Do you agree Sheila had killed everyone before the police arrived?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:31:PM
White House farm is a big place with a fairly large perimeter.

Not a two bedroomed council flat .
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:33:PM
Do you agree Sheila had killed everyone before the police arrived?

Cannot ascertain for certain.Time of deaths could never be established. Nor could hers.

Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:35:PM
White House farm is a big place with a fairly large perimeter.

Not a two bedroomed council flat .

And there were a lot of police. And Bamber.

Do you believe Sheila had re loaded twice, killed & brutally beaten Nevill & everyone else prior to everyone arriving?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:37:PM
Cannot ascertain for certain.Time of deaths could never be established. Nor could hers.

Do you agree Sheila would have to turn lights on to -

Paint her nails.
Read the bible.
Write a suicide note.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:37:PM
And there were a lot of police. And Bamber.

Do you believe Sheila had re loaded twice, killed & brutally beaten Nevill & everyone else prior to everyone arriving?

There is a four hour window  :)
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:38:PM
There is a four hour window  :)

Do you agree Sheila would have to turn lights on to -

Paint her nails.
Read the bible.
Write a suicide note
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:39:PM
There is a four hour window  :)

Do you agree Sheila would have to turn lights on & the police would hear her have a shower?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:40:PM
There is a four hour window  :)

Do you agree nothing was heard on the open line inside WHF?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:42:PM
Do you agree Sheila would have to turn lights on to -

Paint her nails.
Read the bible.
Write a suicide note

Have you read bews first statement 16.8.85

Reference the lights
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Rob_ on November 26, 2022, 10:43:PM
Do you agree Sheila would have to turn lights on & the police would hear her have a shower?

There is some evidence that the status of the lights did change Adam thanks for highlighting this  ;)
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:43:PM
Do you agree nothing was heard on the open line inside WHF?

Proves nothing
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:48:PM
There is some evidence that the status of the lights did change Adam thanks for highlighting this  ;)

Do you believe Sheila was turning lights off and on after the police arrived to -

Re load.

Burn Nevill's back.

Read the bible.

Write a suicide note.

Have a shower.

Replace the silencer.

Fight Nevill.

Shoot everyone.

Get changed.

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Or just some of those things?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 10:50:PM
Proves nothing

Well it is proof that at least 4 people were dead.

Seems Sheila was alive turning lights off & on to write suicide notes, read the bible & have a shower.

A pity the police didn't notice.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:52:PM
Well it is proof that at least 4 people were dead.

Seems Sheila was alive turning lights off & on to write suicide notes, read the bible & have a shower.

A pity the police didn't notice.

Have you read bews first statement regarding the lights?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 10:53:PM
Well it is proof that at least 4 people were dead.

Seems Sheila was alive turning lights off & on to write suicide notes, read the bible & have a shower.

A pity the police didn't notice.

The farmhouse was not entered until 7.30am.

You know this
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Rob_ on November 26, 2022, 10:57:PM
Do you believe Sheila was turning lights off and on after the police arrived to -

Re load.

Burn Nevill's back.

Read the bible.

Write a suicide note.

Have a shower.

Replace the silencer.

Fight Nevill.

Shoot everyone.

Get changed.

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Or just some of those things?

She showered sometime before the tragedy started Adam as the copper content on her hands matched testers etc.

She never changed, burned Nevils back or read the bible, and there was no fight with Nevil just a scuffle as his strength faded.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:03:PM
She showered sometime before the tragedy started Adam as the copper content on her hands matched testers etc.

She never changed, burned Nevils back or read the bible, and there was no fight with Nevil just a scuffle as his strength faded.

Ok so Sheila didn't -

Shower

Change.

Read the bible.

Burned Nevill's back.

Fight Nevill.

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Who put the bible on Sheila?

Why does Bamber think Nevill was burnt on the night?

Why is there no GSR, oil, dust, lubricant or damage to Sheila's nightdress.

How did Nevill get such horrific injuries?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 11:08:PM
Read the Bible in depth or open to a particular passage???
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:09:PM
She showered sometime before the tragedy started Adam as the copper content on her hands matched testers etc.

She never changed, burned Nevils back or read the bible, and there was no fight with Nevil just a scuffle as his strength faded.

Do you still believe Sheila painted her nails?

Do you believe Sheila wrote a suicide note?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Rob_ on November 26, 2022, 11:14:PM
Ok so Sheila didn't -

Shower

Change.

Read the bible.

Burned Nevill's back.

Fight Nevill.

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Who put the bible on Sheila?

Why does Bamber think Nevill was burnt on the night?

Why is there no GSR, oil, dust, lubricant or damage to Sheila's nightdress.

How did Nevill get such horrific injuries?

The firearms team expressed concern both Sheila and the bible had been moved from when they entered the farmhouse.

There was GSR on Sheila's nightdress, there had to be.

What does it matter what Bamber thinks was he their?  ;)


Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:17:PM
Seems there is disagreement between Rob & ILB.

ILB has not refuted that Sheila did 17 things. However disagrees that Sheila had a very narrow window & had 4 hours. He refuses to say what Sheila did after the police arrived & why no one saw or heard her.

Rob says Sheila did not shower, read the bible, change, fight Nevill or burn Nevill's back.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:19:PM
The firearms team expressed concern both Sheila and the bible had been moved from when they entered the farmhouse.

There was GSR on Sheila's nightdress, there had to be.

What does it matter what Bamber thinks was he their?  ;)

So the bible was moved by the police onto Sheila prior to the photos being taken.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:22:PM
The firearms team expressed concern both Sheila and the bible had been moved from when they entered the farmhouse.

There was GSR on Sheila's nightdress, there had to be.

What does it matter what Bamber thinks was he their?  ;)

Bamber was there.

Do you believe Bamber & his lawyers & experts were wrong to say Nevill's back was burnt on the night?

There was no GSR on Sheila's nightdress. Or damage. Or anything else.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 11:25:PM
GSR lasts from four to six hours upon a living person.

However lack of gsr does not mean they didn't fire a gun
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Bubo bubo on November 26, 2022, 11:31:PM
GSR lasts from four to six hours upon a living person.

However lack of gsr does not mean they didn't fire a gun

I admire the way you tackle the Hippo but giving him responses only encourages him to expel more dung from his anus.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 11:33:PM
I admire the way you tackle the Hippo but giving him responses only encourages him to expel more dung from his anus.

He has dedicated almost ten years of doing so.

I may be wrong. But I believe he is connected to this case. Nothing wrong with that of course it's a free country
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:33:PM
GSR lasts from four to six hours upon a living person.

However lack of gsr does not mean they didn't fire a gun

Do you believe the 75 pieces of forensic evidence in the COA are all wrong?
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:34:PM
He has dedicated almost ten years of doing so.

I may be wrong. But I believe he is connected to this case. Nothing wrong with that of course it's a free country

Just find the case interesting.

You are more connected. Following Mike & Guest29835 as a former prisoner supporting Bamber because you don't like the police.

Bubobubo is just mad & writes long posts nobody understands.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 11:36:PM
Do you believe the 75 pieces of forensic evidence in the COA are all wrong?

They are opinions.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:40:PM
Not sure if Rob agrees Sheila took up to 4 hours doing everything. He has started saying Sheila didn't do certain things.

ILB thinks outside the box. Not even the defence suggested Sheila spent up to 4 hours doing everything. The police not seeing or hearing anything.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 11:40:PM
Just find the case interesting.

You are more connected. Following Mike & Guest  as a former prisoner supporting Bamber.

I met Jeremy Bamber in 1993 in HMP Long Lartin.

You have spent ten years championing a man on a whole life's tariffs guilt
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 11:44:PM
Not sure if Rob agrees Sheila took up to 4 hours doing everything. He has started saying Sheila didn't do certain things.

ILB thinks outside the box. Not even the defence suggested Sheila spent up to 4 hours doing everything. The police not seeing or hearing anything.

In fairness there is a four hour window as I stated

You agreed with this

I can't see why this is so difficult to comprehend
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 11:46:PM
I just believe in a man getting a fair trial.

I'm not anti police at all.

Everybody has the right to a fair trial.

Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:50:PM
In fairness there is a four hour window as I stated

You agreed with this

I can't see why this is so difficult to comprehend

Well I would agree with it if knowing what Sheila did after the police arrived. Which the police did not see or hear.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 11:53:PM
Well I would agree with it if knowing what Sheila did after the police arrived. Which the police did not see or hear.

They were outside the house.

Conflicting statements between bamber and bews regarding movement. The former stating he saw movement the latter intially agreeing then saying it was a trick of light.

Again the farmhouse is a big place
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 26, 2022, 11:56:PM
In 2011 bamber told guardian journalist Eric Allison that he was outside with the police when they were talking to somebody in the farmhouse. If he is lying it's a bold claim and stating that is ridiculous unless you know you can champion the theory
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 26, 2022, 11:58:PM
They were outside the house.

Conflicting statements between bamber and bews regarding movement. The former stating he saw movement the latter intially agreeing then saying it was a trick of light.

Again the farmhouse is a big place

Me, you, the judge & Rob agree Sheila could not do everything in 40 minutes.

Rob has started saying the police put the bible on Sheila prior to photos etc.

You are saying Sheila was doing things while the police & raid team were outside. But refuse to say what.

Neither yours or Rob's theories were tactics used by the defence.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: ILB on November 27, 2022, 12:09:AM
Me, you, the judge & Rob agree Sheila could not do everything in 40 minutes.

Rob has started saying the police put the bible on Sheila prior to photos etc.

You are saying Sheila was doing things while the police & raid team were outside. But refuse to say what.

Neither yours or Rob's theories were tactics used by the defence.

That was Mr bamber and Kingsley napley rivlin and lawsons choice
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 28, 2022, 09:22:PM
These are all things the evidence shows Sheila did or people claim she did -

Re load - 3 minutes.

Re load again - 3 minutes.

Go upstairs. Shoot June 5 times in bed - 3 minutes.

Shoot Daniel 5 times in bed - 2 minutes.

Shoot Nicholas 3 times in bed - 2 minutes.

Paint nails - 45 minutes.

Shoot Nevill 4 times upstairs - 2 minutes.

Go downstairs. Fight with Nevill - 3 minutes.

Lift Nevill onto coal scuttle - Impossible but say 5 minutes..

Shoot Nevill 4 more times - 2 minutes.

Burn Nevill's back - 8 minutes.

Go upstairs. Shoot June 2 times - 2 minutes.

Remove & put away silencer - 3 minutes.

Shower - 5 minutes.

Change & dispose of massacre clothes - 5 minutes.

Write suicide note - 5 to 15 minutes.

Get & read bible - 5 to 15 minutes.

I have amended this. It says painting nails can take anywhere between 30 minutes to 2 hours.
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 28, 2022, 09:23:PM
Minimum time 103 minutes.

Maximum time 123 minutes.

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This is generously saying Sheila was as efficient as a navy seal & everything kicked off the second Nevill terminated his last call.

Times here have been amended 
Title: Re: Time breakdown of Sheila's actions after Nevill's final call:
Post by: Adam on November 28, 2022, 09:28:PM
Seems that Sheila was only about 30% of the way through when everyone arrived. And that is if she was an ex navy seal.

Either she was already dead or the police, raid team & Bamber did not hear or see her inside WHF while she was doing the other 70%.