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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on July 19, 2011, 05:50:PM
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I guess it´s all for the best, but it is a hard wait.
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
You can bet your life that politics are in there somewhere. They might free him, but it will be on their terms and will not prejudice them in any way so that the right people will never be prosecuted. They will probably make it happen that Bamber won't be able to sue anyone not have any compensation or be able to do anything against those who wronged him. It will be very interesting to see what is going to happen over the next month or so.
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
You can bet your life that politics are in there somewhere. They might free him, but it will be on their terms and will not prejudice them in any way so that the right people will never be prosecuted. They will probably make it happen that Bamber won't be able to sue anyone not have any compensation or be able to do anything against those who wronged him. It will be very interesting to see what is going to happen over the next month or so.
Just seems too much of a coincidence imo. I think ngb stated that if he is released without having the convictions quashed, then he is not in a position to pursue civil action against former police officers / relatives. Neither can he garner a big slice of the wider support from Joe Public, that might have been available to him had the convictions been quashed. I could be wrong but it seems to me the way forward for any elements within the authorities whose game plan is around impeding the truth, buying time and limiting damage.
I think this has all been worked out very carefully...
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
You can bet your life that politics are in there somewhere. They might free him, but it will be on their terms and will not prejudice them in any way so that the right people will never be prosecuted. They will probably make it happen that Bamber won't be able to sue anyone not have any compensation or be able to do anything against those who wronged him. It will be very interesting to see what is going to happen over the next month or so.
Just seems too much of a coincidence imo. I think ngb stated that if he is released without having the convictions quashed, then he is not in a position to pursue civil action against former police officers / relatives. Neither can he garner a big slice of the wider support from Joe Public, that might have been available to him had the convictions been quashed. I could be wrong but it seems to me the way forward for any elements within the authorities whose game plan is around impeding the truth, buying time and limiting damage.
I think this has all been worked out very carefully...
There are such crooks in this so called legal system of ours who NEED to be exposed. If I had the information I would certainly do it. I hate crooked cops and crooked judges, those who are supposed to set an example to us all.
Some have said I am not fighting for justice when I'm supporting JB. But it is only justice I am interested in. Some of these wicked individuals should be thrown into prison for ruining so many lives of innocent people who have been unjustly incarcerated. Why are some so blinkered that they cannot see something that is so clear. They appear to believe only that light that squeezes through the tiny chinks of their own roofs.
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I think that it is very interesting that JB has stated on his website that he will not be doing any deals.
I also think that he knows he has a good chance of release very soon and HAS in fact been offered some kind of deal.Or at least had one discussed with him.
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I think that it is very interesting that JB has stated on his website that he will not be doing any deals.
I also think that he knows he has a good chance of release very soon and HAS in fact been offered some kind of deal.Or at least had one discussed with him.
The worms are beginning to squirm.
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I think that it is very interesting that JB has stated on his website that he will not be doing any deals.
I also think that he knows he has a good chance of release very soon and HAS in fact been offered some kind of deal.Or at least had one discussed with him.
The worms are beginning to squirm.
I think so to Grahame.!
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
The European Court of Human Rights will not be able to order Jeremy Bamber's release. If the appeal to that court is successful the Home Secretary's substitution of a whole life tariff for the trial judge's 25 year minimum tariff will be overturned. Since he has already served more than 25 years Jeremy Bamber will be able to apply for parole and if the Parole Board then recommend his release on licence it will still be up to the current Home Secretary to decide whether to follow the recommendation of the Parole Board.
Although Jeremy Bamber is pursuing his appeal in Europe he has made it clear that his aim is to have his convictions overturned rather than be released on licence.
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
You can bet your life that politics are in there somewhere. They might free him, but it will be on their terms and will not prejudice them in any way so that the right people will never be prosecuted. They will probably make it happen that Bamber won't be able to sue anyone not have any compensation or be able to do anything against those who wronged him. It will be very interesting to see what is going to happen over the next month or so.
Just seems too much of a coincidence imo. I think ngb stated that if he is released without having the convictions quashed, then he is not in a position to pursue civil action against former police officers / relatives. Neither can he garner a big slice of the wider support from Joe Public, that might have been available to him had the convictions been quashed. I could be wrong but it seems to me the way forward for any elements within the authorities whose game plan is around impeding the truth, buying time and limiting damage.
I think this has all been worked out very carefully...
If he is released on licence rather than as a result of his convictions being quashed you are right in what you say above. As a condition of release on licence a gagging order would also probably be imposed. I am sure that the authorities would far prefer release on licence to the convictions being overturned but Jeremy's main focus is upon the latter, so that his name is cleared and he is free to pursue those responsible for the miscarriage of justice.
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
You can bet your life that politics are in there somewhere. They might free him, but it will be on their terms and will not prejudice them in any way so that the right people will never be prosecuted. They will probably make it happen that Bamber won't be able to sue anyone not have any compensation or be able to do anything against those who wronged him. It will be very interesting to see what is going to happen over the next month or so.
Just seems too much of a coincidence imo. I think ngb stated that if he is released without having the convictions quashed, then he is not in a position to pursue civil action against former police officers / relatives. Neither can he garner a big slice of the wider support from Joe Public, that might have been available to him had the convictions been quashed. I could be wrong but it seems to me the way forward for any elements within the authorities whose game plan is around impeding the truth, buying time and limiting damage.
I think this has all been worked out very carefully...
If he is released on licence rather than as a result of his convictions being quashed you are right in what you say above. As a condition of release on licence a gagging order would also probably be imposed. I am sure that the authorities would far prefer release on licence to the convictions being overturned but Jeremy's main focus is upon the latter, so that his name is cleared and he is free to pursue those responsible for the miscarriage of justice.
These wicked people ought to be persued by those who care about British justice, instead of encouraging and protecting these evil individuals. If only there were some who had the guts to do it? These so called lawyers are a discgrace to Britain. I read also that Christ himself was condemned by wicked lawyers. Now there is a prime example that these wicked men wheedle themselves into organisations such as the CCRC and infest our justice system. Anyone who cannot see all this subterfuge are blind it seems to me? >:(
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Thanks ngb. I was hoping you would post on this thread. Reading your responses, I'm suspicious that one of a way release from pressure for the authorities, would be to facilitate Jeremy's release on license in the wake a decision made by by European Court. However I remember the furore surrounding Megrahi's release on compassionate grounds and I think that even if the authorities tried to release Bamber gagged and on license, they would still come in for some pressure from the relatives and the 'hang him' brigade.
I hope that he does embarrass the authorities by refusing any such kind of release. Any such refusals on his part in those circumstances should be publicised also. So that all can see that when he states "I will be striking no deals. I will not be gagged. I will continue to speak the truth freely".... he means it.
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Thanks ngb. I was hoping you would post on this thread. Reading your responses, I'm suspicious that one of a way release from pressure for the authorities, would be to facilitate Jeremy's release on license in the wake a decision made by by European Court. However I remember the furore surrounding Megrahi's release on compassionate grounds and I think that even if the authorities tried to release Bamber gagged and on license, they would still come in for some pressure from the relatives and the 'hang him' brigade.
I hope that he does embarrass the authorities by refusing any such kind of release. Any such refusals on his part in those circumstances should be publicised also. So that all can see that when he states "I will be striking no deals. I will not be gagged. I will continue to speak the truth freely".... he means it.
It would be very unjust if that were to happen. Because in effect it leaves Jeremy in the same position. The only difference being he will not be in gaol. Also not only will it mean that unjust men will go free. It will put them in a stronger position to continue in their unjust ways. Also it will leave Jeremy at the mercy of brain dead persecutors like the idiots we have seen on this forum of late. In short anyone can say anything about him and get off with virtual slander. Is there any way we can legally oust these wicked men from office? I hate them with a perfect hatred, forseeing the furure innocent lives they will ruin.
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
You can bet your life that politics are in there somewhere. They might free him, but it will be on their terms and will not prejudice them in any way so that the right people will never be prosecuted. They will probably make it happen that Bamber won't be able to sue anyone not have any compensation or be able to do anything against those who wronged him. It will be very interesting to see what is going to happen over the next month or so.
Just seems too much of a coincidence imo. I think ngb stated that if he is released without having the convictions quashed, then he is not in a position to pursue civil action against former police officers / relatives. Neither can he garner a big slice of the wider support from Joe Public, that might have been available to him had the convictions been quashed. I could be wrong but it seems to me the way forward for any elements within the authorities whose game plan is around impeding the truth, buying time and limiting damage.
I think this has all been worked out very carefully...
If he is released on licence rather than as a result of his convictions being quashed you are right in what you say above. As a condition of release on licence a gagging order would also probably be imposed. I am sure that the authorities would far prefer release on licence to the convictions being overturned but Jeremy's main focus is upon the latter, so that his name is cleared and he is free to pursue those responsible for the miscarriage of justice.
These wicked people ought to be persued by those who care about British justice, instead of encouraging and protecting these evil individuals. If only there were some who had the guts to do it? These so called lawyers are a discgrace to Britain. I read also that Christ himself was condemned by wicked lawyers. Now there is a prime example that these wicked men wheedle themselves into organisations such as the CCRC and infest our justice system. Anyone who cannot see all this subterfuge are blind it seems to me? >:(
I certainly agree about the shameful role that the CCRC has played in this case. The protracted delays and failure to use the powers open to them to obtain evidence are bad enough in themselves, but the whole attitude of the CCRC to this case seems unbelievable to me. They seem to have done all in their power to resist proper investigation of the valid issies raised and have directed their efforts into undermining the defence submissions (such as in relation to Peter Sutherst's reports) rather than investigating them properly and following them up. It is as if they have firmly made up their minds that JB is guilty and are thererfore only going through the motions in processing his application. The CCRC in my view needs replacing or at least completely overhauling. It is simply not fit for purpose.
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ngb, do you agree there is a common misconception that people are tempted to fall back upon? 'Only Bamber knows what happened' 'Only Bamber knows the truth' etc.
It seems to me rather that the entire defence campaign, from Jeremy Bamber to Mike Tesko to Ewen Smith, Barry Woods, GDS, to the current team, has all been about a journey trying to painstakingly piece together what happened.
It becomes incredulous to believe that so varied and so great a number of professionals could allow themselves to be fooled by some arch manipulator, operating from his prison cell.
Rochford - I agree with what you are saying here. Of course if JB is guilty he knows what happened, but if he is not he is in the same position as his team in trying to work out exactly what happened, based upon the available evidence. He has done a lot of the research work himself, assisted by Mike Tesko for a long period when he had little or no other support. He is now assisted by his current team who are working with him to analyse the vast amount of material there is relating to the case. They are of course tryng to obtain further material and are using experts to carry out further analysis of some of the evidence. I do not believe that JB has been manipulating his advisors -to a large extent he is relying upon them to help him to piece this together. As a separate point I am not sure he has always been well served by some of those advising him in the past.
I've not seen anything that persuades me to believe he knew what happened. Much is made of the phone logs and the sequence of calls. I think what needs to be considered is the issue of negation.
Do any 'inconsistencies' with the call timings on the part of Jeremy Bamber, negate any 'evidence' which suggests that Sheila caffell was involved in an incident with Essex Police?
Conversely, does any 'evidence' which suggests that Sheila Caffell was involved in an incident with Essex Police, negate any inconsistencies with the call timings on the part of Jeremy Bamber?
I think the one is more powerful than the other. The call timings become almost an irrelevance, if there was an incident at WHF during the police presence there.
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
Rochy I admire your optimism! I bet you a Happy Meal Bamber's appeal against losing the 3rd appeal application fails? The government don't give out whole life tarriffs easily ... only for the most vile murderers and they don't free people like that on technicalities.
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
Rochy I admire your optimism! I bet you a Happy Meal Bamber's appeal against losing the 3rd appeal application fails? The government don't give out whole life tarriffs easily ... only for the most vile murderers and they don't free people like that on technicalities.
Well if we were talking about a Huntley or Sutcliffe or a Whiting or a Bellfield etc. then I would agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly. However, this case is different. I know the above examples are not ideally suited for a comparison because they are sexual killers. I cant think of any relevant cases that involve murders for inheritance. It's a puzzler for me this case. I just don't get it.
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Hang on a second....
New CCRC deadline for final submissions is 9th September.
Hearing in at European Court of Appeal for whole life tariff is 15th September.
I'm not sure my little 'technicality' prediction hasn't got more mileage in it? Cynical?
I can see the Daily Mail headlines now 'Meddling Eurocrats free Bamber on a technicality'...
Rochy I admire your optimism! I bet you a Happy Meal Bamber's appeal against losing the 3rd appeal application fails? The government don't give out whole life tarriffs easily ... only for the most vile murderers and they don't free people like that on technicalities.
Unfortunately politicians do things to make themselves popular. Very rarely do they do things justly.