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OFF TOPIC => Russia/Ukraine/Nato => Topic started by: gringo on April 06, 2022, 10:40:PM
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"There are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen."
The above is a quote by Lenin, made whilst living in exile prior to the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.
It is apt when applied to the geopolitical turmoil currently occurring. The overturning of decades of "World order" shaped by the collective West ever since the break up of the Soviet Union is being accomplished in weeks/months, largely by the successor state to the USSR, Russia, which demonstrates Twain's observation that, "History never repeats, but it often rhymes." There are many rhymes >:(
The speed and significance of geopolitical and geo-economical events is upending the World order. Meanwhile, in the collective West, we are fed blatant "War Propaganda" by our supposed independent media who studiously ignore hugely significant events unfolding everywhere that document in real time this "upending". Russian media banned because...
Ukraine is merely one small part of current events. The western media giving blanket coverage to any subject is a clue to the discerning to look elsewhere to see what's being obscured. Ukraine just happens to be the particular square of the geopolitical chessboard that the latest UK/US/NATO gambit to break up and weaken Russia, in order to control the trillions of oil/gas/gold/mineral reserves that Russia happens to be sitting on, is playing out. It is desperate gambit born of desperate times for the collective West and is destined to fail. As the unipolar world dies screaming, the new multipolar world is being born.
PART ONE ( The Death of the Dollar )
Almost unreported in Western media, the ongoing and accelerating ditching of the dollar in world trade and therefore as reserve currency not only gathers pace, it is turning into a sprint. China and Russia introducing a "basket of currencies" which are "commodities backed" and bypassing the dollar is game-changing. Russia selling it's gas only in Rubles to "unfriendly countries" demonstrating quite clearly who is in charge of the board. Saudi Arabia doing a huge oil deal with China, denominated in yuan. All of this unthinkable until now. The world, or at least 7/8ths of it, has had enough of UK/US/NATO bullying, warmongering, piracy, theft and extortion and refuses to join the "Collective West" in sanctioning Russia. It turns out, much to the "Collective West" surprise that there is such a thing as the "Collective East" and they are now, with Russia at the forefront, standing up to the rapidly becoming less "Collective West."
Russia domestically tying the price of gold to the ruble, along with "No rubles, no gas" to unfriendlies was a predictable response to the self defeating idiocy of the EU and Western sanctions on Russia. That the supposed leaders of those countries now suffering the economic blowback couldn't or didn't predict a severe Russian response to the the theft/freezing of their funds in Western banks defies belief. Why would they imagine that Russia would keep supplying gas, whilst they keep supplying now useless Euros/Dollars which are then stolen/frozen in Western central banks due to sanctions? The EU response to double down and triple down on self defeating sanctions will be their downfall. They have taken their own gun, shot themselves in the foot and then the other foot, and now they are aiming the gun at their own head. The rest of the world also sees the outright piracy of the West and takes notes.
The Ruble, predicted to crash by "western experts" to 200/250 rubles to the dollar has in fact bounced back to around 75/80 rubles to the dollar. It is the aggressor nations of the "collective west" whose economies are collapsing. The latest "Sanctions from Hell" another in a long list of recent failed and increasingly desperate gambits by the diminishing Western powers to save the petrodollar system.
https://thesaker.is/rublegas-the-worlds-new-resource-based-reserve-currency/
An informative essay from Pepe Escobar in the link above is worth reading. It would be in UK media if we had one that functioned and dared to "speak truth to power" rather than "tells lies on behalf of power"
World power has disproportionately been wielded by the US/UK led NATO alliance since the break up of the USSR. Particularly the illegal use of sanctions, non UNSC approved, against countries who refused to kowtow. If sanctions don't have the desired effect, after relentless propaganda, a regime change will be attempted via western sponsored "colour revolutions".
If all this fails then NATO, the largest and most criminal, genocidal organisation ever, will invade, destroy, break up the country in question and call it "Responsibility to Protect". There are a lot of problems to unpick to take on the "Empire of Lies". Financial power and military power are the foundations that facilitate the criminal, genocidal aspirations of the Empire and they are being systematically dismantled and destroyed by a Russia/China alliance and backed by an ever growing bandwagon of countries who see the new multipolar world order being born.
The dismantling of US financial power continues apace but can only really succeed if the muscle behind it (NATO) is also neutralised which leads us to Part Two.
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PART TWO ( NATO - Exposed as a Paper Tiger )
NATO is nothing more than the muscle behind the criminal actions of the NATO bloc primarily sponsored by the US with a leading support role played by UK and France. Used not to defend countries who are part of this so called "defensive alliance", but exclusively to attack resource rich countries under some false pretext. It is their MO. Nobody can credibly deny this. You need to forget too much recent history to believe that NATO are anything but the military muscle behind the criminal, genocidal policies of their corrupt and owned governments. Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Yemen etc. The list is endless and will never end until NATO are defeated.
Russia along with China, Iran and many others understand that NATO will come for them next and that "United they will stand but if divided they will fall." The collaboration and alliances between these states have upended the board in ways unforeseen by NATO planners.
NATO is toothless against the military advances made by Russia, something which Russia is exposing in real time. Iran have previously demonstrated that deadly accurate missile tech is a game changer in military affairs and has rendered NATO threats irrelevant. Russia moved it up a couple of notches. There will be an inevitable draw down of NATO bases from countries where they have invited themselves. Cheap, available missiles make all Middle Eastern bases un-defendable. These are unavoidable consequences.
After the debacle of the Afghanistan withdrawal and NATO inability to do anything to "Stop Russia" it has been aptly demonstrated that NATO is a paper tiger. The rest of the world no longer fears NATO. Decades(centuries?) of Western hegemony upended in the blink of an historical eye.
The BRI, SCO etc. along with new currency trading rules bypassing the dollar and SWIFT system and US led NATO bloc helpless to do anything about it. This is where we are in reality. The world is changing and the meek are indeed inheriting the earth. With their financial power diminishing and their military threat exposed as weak, what is left? Relentless propaganda is the only tool left hence the banning of Russian media and censorship of opposition voices.
Propaganda can only go so far and facts and reality on the ground eventually tell their truth regardless of lies but it is the West's final tool.
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PART THREE (SFX, Lies and videotape - The propaganda war and war crimes)
The Mighty Wurlitzer is working overtime to convince the masses of Russian war crimes whilst failing to address the very real war crimes of Ukrainian Nazis and the ongoing war crimes of the NATO alliance. The sanctimonious hypocrisy on display from Western leaders who sponsored and turned a blind eye to countless( and not even counted) civilian deaths in the levelling of Fallujah, Raqqa, Mosul. Those who are directly responsible for the killing of millions, the displacement of millions more as well as the destruction of countries and their infrastructure leading to many more indirect deaths from disease. Those who sponsored and armed attempts to violently overthrow governments around the world are now shocked and horrified at civilian deaths, or so we are to believe.
The stories are so obviously lies and propaganda that they debunk themselves within a day on contact with with air and reason. Ukrainian/NATO crimes reported as Russian crimes. There is no bottom to the depravity of NATO criminality. The Bucha crimes are proven by the timeline of events to be Ukrainian crimes. Anyone following events in Ukraine over the last eight years knows only too well of the genocidal crimes that have been ongoing from the Ukrainians during this time.
The now predictable playbook of UK/US intel agencies is becoming ever more obvious. Videos of clearly staged events amplified above all else in all media outlets. Some gullible westerners will still lap it up but facts on the ground are all that counts in the end. The rest of the world want answers as to what was going on in the biolabs in Ukraine. The US are all over the place and making contradictory and red flag raising statements about the now undisputed US Dept. of Defence funded biolabs that are placed around Ukraine. This is going to be an explosive story.
First of all the existence of biolabs was Russian disinformation.
The next shoe to drop was the Victoria Nuland testimony before congress where she admitted that the US did have biolabs in Ukraine, whilst also claiming that they were not bioweapons labs but also that the Russians need to kept from getting their hands on whatever is there which would be a dangerous bioweapon if Russia had it.
All makes perfect sense.
These claims have now had added clarification. The US has no "offensive" bioweapons labs in Ukraine. By inference they are now admitting that they have "defensive" bioweapons labs in Ukraine. In the increasingly Orwellian NATO bloc where truth are lies and war is peace, we can all understand what is meant by "defensive" bioweapons.
If this were Russia, China or any other making these admissions, contradictory statements and clarifications about hundreds of biolabs throughout various countries then we would treat them with the obvious disdain they deserve. Truth requires no corrections or clarifications. The US are self evidently lying about the existence and purpose of these labs. Russia, China and others are demanding and will get answers. Soon even the Mighty Wurlitzer will be unable to hide the truth.
PART FOUR (The new World Order)
Russia, China and the multipolar world order have won, the Great Resetters have been reset. It will take time for the aftermath and consequences of the overturning of the western system to fully unravel but there can be little doubt that western financial power and sanctions regimes are being rendered null and void by the moves in currency and commodity trading backed by China/Russia. Western military might has been exposed as incapable of taking on anything other than small weak defenceless countries(and still get beat).
The propaganda arm (the media) having to work overtime to hide the failures mentioned above and as a consequence, merely helping along their own discrediting amongst even the usually unquestioning. Like the boy who cried wolf, in the end everyone just assumes he is lying. Our media have cried wolf way too often and shown too few wolves to be believed. People who usually ask no questions, suddenly are. As the moves in the world financial system start to impact more and more people's everyday lives then even more will ask questions. The usual lies will not pass muster at this point.
The old World Order is dead/dying. Exposed as pirates and thieves to the rest of the world. Goodbye Empire of Lies.
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Oh God!
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Half-truths and downright lies: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60711705
Joseph Stalin appears high up on the list. https://www.jcpe.tv/top-ten-most-evil-dictators-of-all-time-in-order-of-kill-count/
If there has to be rationing until the West weans itself off Russian gas then so be it. https://www.bruegel.org/2022/01/can-europe-survive-painlessly-without-russian-gas/
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If there has to be rationing until the West weans itself off Russian gas then so be it. https://www.bruegel.org/2022/01/can-europe-survive-painlessly-without-russian-gas/
The government is going to ban petrol and diesel cars by 2030 and eight new nuclear power stations are in the pipeline for 2030 also.
Nuclear fusion technology is also on the horizon.
https://www.ft.com/content/cc39da72-7c9c-4a4a-9d51-1049a9badcac (https://www.ft.com/content/cc39da72-7c9c-4a4a-9d51-1049a9badcac)
Vladolf Putlers invasion will be the last major war funded by oil.
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Good to see you Gringo. :) Some deep reading there for me, though to me, it's always been about power and greed in this world.
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Good to see you Gringo. :) Some deep reading there for me, though to me, it's always been about power and greed in this world.
Hi, Lookout :)
It is about power and greed. It is about Western power and greed being stood up to and dismantled finally after centuries of wars for resources. Russia have no desire to control our resources, it is all one way. They are self sufficient and incredibly resource rich. They require nothing.
Russian armed forces serve Russian people.
Chinese armed forces serve Chinese people.
The armed forces of NATO countries serve bankers and financial and corporate interests(oil, gas etc.)
and act as the muscle behind the criminal actions of their masters.
The above is a self evident truth.
Russia, China, Iran etc. have launched no wars for resources. NATO's rap sheet tells its own story.
Russia, China etc. are not the countries who demand regime change in countries, impose illegal sanctions and sponsor colour revolutions, nor do they arm and sponsor insurgencies to overthrow governments.
That's all on the US/UK/NATO criminal alliance.
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We're renowned for interfering in other countries ! We should be self-sufficient in everything and independent from relying on other countries instead of meddling where we shouldn't. Our governments have been all yap instead of knuckling under and getting things done.
There are heaps of things I don't agree with-----too much freedom of speech for a start, which is an absolute myth when it all boils down, but certainly an abuse of freedom on some levels.
This is no longer the world, least of all this country that I once knew. The UK as I know it is finished.
I have to agree with you gringo.
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Hi, Lookout :)
It is about power and greed. It is about Western power and greed being stood up to and dismantled finally after centuries of wars for resources. Russia have no desire to control our resources, it is all one way. They are self sufficient and incredibly resource rich. They require nothing.
Russian armed forces serve Russian people.
Chinese armed forces serve Chinese people.
The armed forces of NATO countries serve bankers and financial and corporate interests(oil, gas etc.)
and act as the muscle behind the criminal actions of their masters.
The above is a self evident truth.
Russia, China, Iran etc. have launched no wars for resources. NATO's rap sheet tells its own story.
Russia, China etc. are not the countries who demand regime change in countries, impose illegal sanctions and sponsor colour revolutions, nor do they arm and sponsor insurgencies to overthrow governments.
That's all on the US/UK/NATO criminal alliance.
On this specific point, I would beg to differ.
I think Russian armed forces serve Russian bankers and financial and corporate interests and act as the muscle behind the criminal actions of Russian masters.
Likewise, Chinese armed forces serve Chinese bankers and financial and corporate interests and act as the muscle behind the criminal actions of Chinese masters.
Meanwhile, as you say, NATO armed forces serve bankers and financial and corporate interests and act as the muscle behind the criminal actions of their masters.
In other words, we are all living under disinterested elites, it's just that there are different emphases and approaches between the different power blocs. The USA and NATO have adopted a liberal-internationalist model of capitalism, which has its roots in English liberal thought and has developed into a system that disregards national interests as parochial. This is the case even for the United States. Had Hilary Clinton won the 2016 presidential election, she would have turned NAFTA into a Pan-American integrated free-trade zone with free movement of people, in effect shafting the Democrats' own blue collar voters, and much of its middle class base as well.
Powers such as Russia and China have adopted more of a 'national' model of capitalism, which - yes - to a large extent better serves the interests of ordinary people in those countries, but ultimately is intended to serve the interests of those elites.
I only suggest that Britain withdraws from needless interventions and adopts a neutral posture - which is to say, neither 'for' nor 'against' Russia or anyone else, unless necessary in the national self-interest. In doing so, this will - I believe - better serve the interests of ordinary people, though I also acknowledge that it won't change the fundamental fact that Britain's elites do not actually care for ordinary people in Britain.
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On this specific point, I would beg to differ.
I think Russian armed forces serve Russian bankers and financial and corporate interests and act as the muscle behind the criminal actions of Russian masters.
Likewise, Chinese armed forces serve Chinese bankers and financial and corporate interests and act as the muscle behind the criminal actions of Chinese masters.
Meanwhile, as you say, NATO armed forces serve bankers and financial and corporate interests and act as the muscle behind the criminal actions of their masters.
In other words, we are all living under disinterested elites, it's just that there are different emphases and approaches between the different power blocs. The USA and NATO have adopted a liberal-internationalist model of capitalism, which has its roots in English liberal thought and has developed into a system that disregards national interests as parochial. This is the case even for the United States. Had Hilary Clinton won the 2016 presidential election, she would have turned NAFTA into a Pan-American integrated free-trade zone with free movement of people, in effect shafting the Democrats' own blue collar voters, and much of its middle class base as well.
Powers such as Russia and China have adopted more of a 'national' model of capitalism, which - yes - to a large extent better serves the interests of ordinary people in those countries, but ultimately is intended to serve the interests of those elites.
I only suggest that Britain withdraws from needless interventions and adopts a neutral posture - which is to say, neither 'for' nor 'against' Russia or anyone else, unless necessary in the national self-interest. In doing so, this will - I believe - better serve the interests of ordinary people, though I also acknowledge that it won't change the fundamental fact that Britain's elites do not actually care for ordinary people in Britain.
I'm not even sure that there is any disagreement, Gascoigne, more a question of interpretation.
To flesh it out further. Whilst the armed forces of any country follows the policy and orders of the national government, governments to some varying extent, have to serve the people.
Russian and Chinese governments would not be able to send their forces into the aggressive resource and regime change wars. They would not survive because their populations have no tolerance for aggressive wars. Western populations project their own cultural mindsets too much onto others.
People may agree or disagree with this but the proof is in the pudding.
Western populations, by and large, not only tolerate the criminal aggression of their governments but often support it. The wars of just the last 3 decades since the dissolution of the USSR would not be tolerated by Russians or Chinese but Western populations have allowed an endless list of criminal wars.
The second part of your comment that is highlighted largely reflects the above. Question of interpretation, that is all.
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The government is going to ban petrol and diesel cars by 2030 and eight new nuclear power stations are in the pipeline for 2030 also.
Nuclear fusion technology is also on the horizon.
https://www.ft.com/content/cc39da72-7c9c-4a4a-9d51-1049a9badcac (https://www.ft.com/content/cc39da72-7c9c-4a4a-9d51-1049a9badcac)
Vladolf Putlers invasion will be the last major war funded by oil.
Half-truths and downright lies: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60711705
Joseph Stalin appears high up on the list. https://www.jcpe.tv/top-ten-most-evil-dictators-of-all-time-in-order-of-kill-count/
If there has to be rationing until the West weans itself off Russian gas then so be it. https://www.bruegel.org/2022/01/can-europe-survive-painlessly-without-russian-gas/
In what was certain to be a close run race to provide the most irrelevant fuck-wittery as a response, I would have to say it is a tie between the usual suspects.
It seemed that Steve invoking Stalin in his first reply was going to be a game winner.
Not to be outdone, David immediately jumped in with the Hitler comparisons, complete with a play on words that is so strained it is amusing only to those with a reading age below 12.
If you have nothing to add...
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https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-5/
For anyone who is interested in following more accurate and truthful sitrep in Ukraine, I highly recommend the above link. The sitreps by Nightvision on the Saker blog are an accurate record of ongoing events. A lively, informed discussion always below the line also.
If you prefer truths no matter how uncomfortable, I recommend highly.
Comforting lies are to be found on all mainstream outlets.
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https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-5/
For anyone who is interested in following more accurate and truthful sitrep in Ukraine, I highly recommend the above link. The sitreps by Nightvision on the Saker blog are an accurate record of ongoing events. A lively, informed discussion always below the line also.
If you prefer truths no matter how uncomfortable, I recommend highly.
Comforting lies are to be found on all mainstream outlets.
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/the-saker-blind-loyalty-disguised-as-defiance/ (https://euvsdisinfo.eu/the-saker-blind-loyalty-disguised-as-defiance/)
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https://euvsdisinfo.eu/the-saker-blind-loyalty-disguised-as-defiance/ (https://euvsdisinfo.eu/the-saker-blind-loyalty-disguised-as-defiance/)
A mindless drone like you may take your instructions from arbitrary fact checkers and self appointed arbiters of propaganda, some of us have enough critical thinking faculties to discern for ourselves after reading.
I would advise that you stay away from such uncomfortable truths.
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A mindless drone like you may take your instructions from arbitrary fact checkers and self appointed arbiters of propaganda, some of us have enough critical thinking faculties to discern for ourselves after reading.
I would advise that you stay away from such uncomfortable truths.
Have you ever heard of a "Selfawarewolf"? Its when someone unknowingly describes themselves.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Selfawarewolf (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Selfawarewolf)
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Have you ever heard of a "Selfawarewolf"? Its when someone unknowingly describes themselves.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Selfawarewolf (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Selfawarewolf)
Have you ever heard of a gobshite?
It's the sort of person who when attempting to debate above his reading level resorts to arbitrary links as an "appeal to authority", posts irrelevant pictures and memes and uses urban dictionary in the absence of being able to construct a cohesive and coherent reply.
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Have you ever heard of a gobshite?
It's the sort of person who when attempting to debate above his reading level resorts to arbitrary links as an "appeal to authority", posts irrelevant pictures and memes and uses urban dictionary in the absence of being able to construct a cohesive and coherent reply.
You are doing it again! :))
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The excellent no holds barred Irish MEP Janet Daly on fire!!
https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/status/1511947095711772674
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1511626671824252934
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The excellent no holds barred Irish MEP Janet Daly on fire!!
https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/status/1511947095711772674
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1511626671824252934
You mean Clare Daly; Janet Daley writes for the Sunday Telegraph. What I don't understand is why Putin invaded the whole of Ukraine. He might just have got away with the excuse of defending ethnic Russians in Donetsk as he did with Crimea, but he chose to invade Chernihiv with a predominantly Ukrainian population.
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We're renowned for interfering in other countries ! We should be self-sufficient in everything and independent from relying on other countries instead of meddling where we shouldn't. Our governments have been all yap instead of knuckling under and getting things done.
There are heaps of things I don't agree with-----too much freedom of speech for a start, which is an absolute myth when it all boils down, but certainly an abuse of freedom on some levels.
This is no longer the world, least of all this country that I once knew. The UK as I know it is finished.
I have to agree with you gringo.
We're paying the highest tax burden for 70 years, yet I recall the days when an ambulance turned up in minutes, police came round when you were burgled and you were not fobbed off with a crime number, houses were cheap and getting council accommodation was not a problem. Where is all the money being spent?
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Where is all the money being spent?
On the life style(s) of the elite amongst us! Some of those in power care very little about underprivileged human beings which the majority of the 'UK Population' is treated, and regarded, as being a party to 'making the rich' and 'privileged', evermore and forever!
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We're paying the highest tax burden for 70 years, yet I recall the days when an ambulance turned up in minutes, police came round when you were burgled and you were not fobbed off with a crime number, houses were cheap and getting council accommodation was not a problem. Where is all the money being spent?
Steve, there's even discrimination in state pension ! Because I retired before 2016 I didn't qualify for the same ( increased ) pension that retirees receive today. There's a shortfall of at least £2,500 ! I worked my full quota since 1956 and probably a damn sight harder than many and I end up being fleeced by the governments who insist on creating the " big divide " in society.
Craftily, my NHS pension is used as a leveller in todays pension, even though that's a separate entity from actual state pension. It's wrong.
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On the life style(s) of the elite amongst us! Some of those in power care very little about underprivileged human beings which the majority of the 'UK Population' is treated, and regarded, as being a party to...
Dead right Mike. I'm quite bitter about the pension situation. I wish I'd never worked at all !
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Dead right Mike. I'm quite bitter about the pension situation. I wish I'd never worked at all !
You and I, both!!! I read that the state pension is now £185! I wish!! I've paid a full stamp all my working life -I've never not worked- both employed and self employed. I received no help towards my degree. I'm still working. The 'nest egg' which was going to provide life's niceties, now has to pay for utilities.
I do actually agree -to an extent- with what Mike says. However, much as I know that life has to be very difficult for those who are homeless, I've never experienced it so I have no idea what it feels like. In the same way, those at the other end of the spectrum, probably know life is difficult for those who struggle to heat houses and put food on tables, they have never had to. Consequently, they'll have no idea what it feels like.
It 's too simplistic an idea to "take from the rich to give to the poor" a la Robin Hood. How does one separate the genuinely poor, from those who choose to make themselves poor through their chosen lifestyles. I'm still happy to give what I can, where I can, but I don't smoke, I drink within sensible limits and I don't gamble, so I wouldn't be at all happy to think that what I've spent my life working hard for, would be supporting those who choose those things rather than pay their bills.
I expect the above will be greatly disagreed with.
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Dead right Mike. I'm quite bitter about the pension situation. I wish I'd never worked at all !
Hi, 'Lookout',
'I' reached 'Pension age', on the '8th January 2022 ' and it generated a lot of confusion regarding to my monthly outgoings, and such! It's something of a dilemna...
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You and I, both!!! I read that the state pension is now £185! I wish!! I've paid a full stamp all my working life -I've never not worked- both employed and self employed. I received no help towards my degree. I'm still working. The 'nest egg' which was going to provide life's niceties, now has to pay for utilities.
I do actually agree -to an extent- with what Mike says. However, much as I know that life has to be very difficult for those who are homeless, I've never experienced it so I have no idea what it feels like. In the same way, those at the other end of the spectrum, probably know life is difficult for those who struggle to heat houses and put food on tables, they have never had to. Consequently, they'll have no idea what it feels like.
It 's too simplistic an idea to "take from the rich to give to the poor" a la Robin Hood. How does one separate the genuinely poor, from those who choose to make themselves poor through their chosen lifestyles. I'm still happy to give what I can, where I can, but I don't smoke, I drink within sensible limits and I don't gamble, so I wouldn't be at all happy to think that what I've spent my life working hard for, would be supporting those who choose those things rather than pay their bills.
I expect the above will be greatly disagreed with.
So you're another one Jane ? How unfair is the system ? I too have had to rely on my savings for utilities etc., and after all these years I have to wonder how much longer I'm going to live-----something I didn't even give a thought about until of late.
£2,500 is a lot to lose when it comes to heating the home for starters, as that amount would more than cover it for a year.
The biggest chunk of what I get is on food and yes, I smoke but not many and don't drink or gamble, but having been used to the best of food it's difficult to reduce my spending in that area as it's what's kept me going over the years as well as keeping me free from ills. I don't eat out nor do I spend on takeaways, too dear, as I could rustle up a good meal for less.
I couldn't begin to wonder how some folk are managing, families especially. I've been upset many a time watching the news where families are going without, although saying that, a roof over their heads has to be a priority then take it from there. I couldn't imagine being homeless either, but then again things weren't as bad at one time as they are now.
Then again I wouldn't like to think I was propping someone up who wasn't worthy of assistance. ??? Like someone rolling up in a 4x4 at a food bank so I've been told !
I'm probably the only person on the planet who hasn't got a mobile phone ;D . Out of choice, as I don't want one. Just a landline and t'internet does me.
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You mean Clare Daly; Janet Daley writes for the Sunday Telegraph. What I don't understand is why Putin invaded the whole of Ukraine. He might just have got away with the excuse of defending ethnic Russians in Donetsk as he did with Crimea, but he chose to invade Chernihiv with a predominantly Ukrainian population.
Russia doesn't want NATO in its backyard.
Another reason is that the ethnic Russian areas cannot be effectively defended simply by putting Russian armed forces in those areas. To defend the ethnic Russians, the whole of eastern Ukraine, perhaps all of Ukraine, has to be controlled, so that the threat is neutralised, otherwise it would potentially turn into a permanent conflict involving Russian troops stationed in the far east of the country.
As I have said before, I do not believe the intention is to invade The Ukraine in the sense of 'conquer' it, rather the aim is to neutralise The Ukraine, partly through occupation of the ethnic Russian areas and encirclement of other cities in order to bring about an agreement that The Ukraine will remain outside NATO.
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Russia doesn't want NATO in its backyard.
That's part of it, but NATO already borders on Russia in several areas. It's more likely that Putin wanted to keep the Sevastopol Naval Base, whose lease ran out in 2014. Given this it looks to me as if the claim of Nazis terrorizing ethnic Russians in Ukraine was mere subterfuge.
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That's part of it, but NATO already borders on Russia in several areas. It's more likely that Putin wanted to keep the Sevastopol Naval Base, whose lease ran out in 2014. Given this it looks to me as if the claim of Nazis terrorizing ethnic Russians in Ukraine was mere subterfuge.
I don't personally believe that is a reason. Russia has already annexed Crimea and, whatever the position in international law, there is no practical dispute about it (nor should there be, as in my personal opinion Crimea does rightfully belong to Russia).
I have added to my post above with a further explanation of what I think Putin is doing.
The neo-Nazi culture does run deep in The Ukraine's armed forces, but it's very complicated and represents mixed motives. In most cases it is just an anti-Russian pose rather than a commitment to any sort of ideology. Thus, I agree it is largely propaganda on both sides, however it remains the case that ethnic Russians have been treated badly and persecuted by the Kiev government.
Perhaps, as you say, it would have been smarter for Putin to set about it with more modest goals, but as I say in my last post, occupying a small part of the far-eastern ethnic Russian areas could have turned it into a 'Lebanon' situation and created a permanent conflict.
Putin's strategy is clearly neutralisation.
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I don't personally believe that is a reason. Russia has already annexed Crimea and, whatever the position in international law, there is no practical dispute about it (nor should there be, as in my personal opinion Crimea does rightfully belong to Russia).
I have added to my post above with a further explanation of what I think Putin is doing.
The neo-Nazi culture does run deep in The Ukraine's armed forces, but it's very complicated and represents mixed motives. In most cases it is just an anti-Russian pose rather than a commitment to any sort of ideology. Thus, I agree it is largely propaganda on both sides, however it remains the case that ethnic Russians have been treated badly and persecuted by the Kiev government.
Perhaps, as you say, it would have been smarter for Putin to set about it with more modest goals, but as I say in my last post, occupying a small part of the far-eastern ethnic Russian areas could have turned it into a 'Lebanon' situation and created a permanent conflict.
Putin's strategy is clearly neutralisation.
How many other countries recognize Russian sovereignty over Crimea? As for neo-Nazis, Russia bombed a Holocaust memorial..enough said. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60588885
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How many other countries recognize Russian sovereignty over Crimea? As for neo-Nazis, Russia bombed a Holocaust memorial..enough said. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60588885
Russia bombed a [sensitive site] =/= A [sensitive site] was damaged/destroyed as a result of an attack by Russia
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Western sanctions proving less than useless against Russia. Who knew?
The entirely self defeating and suicidal sanctions by UK, EU, US causing harm only to their own populations whilst the supposed targets are thriving. If only it could have been predicted ??? ???
The collective West is already over. The poles of power have already shifted. All that remains is how long it takes for Western populations to overthrow the warmongers and rejoin the civilised world.
Empire of Lies is dead.
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Do you think the sanctions are working then?
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The collective West is isolating itself? The world is aligning with the BRI and SCO and turning its back on the exposed paper tiger of NATO and Western might. This is now obvious to even most of the populations of the West. If you can't see through the lies now, you never will.
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Do you think the sanctions are working then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine)
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https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-russia-forecasts-export-gas-price-will-more-than-double-2022-2022-08-17/
Is that Western sanctions working?
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/ofgem-updates-price-cap-level-and-tightens-rules-suppliers
Or this?
How are energy and fuel prices in Russia and the rest of the non sanctioning 80% + of the world?
Turns out that the "gas station with nukes" jibe, oft repeated, was just wishful thinking. Russia's importance to the world economy is so huge, and its economy so diverse, that it is sanction proof.
Western sanctions and pressure on Russia have ensured its own demise and this is becoming clearer by the day. Russia is pretty much autarkic and untouchable by Western sanctions. Especially sanctions from countries that themselves are hugely reliant on Russian imports. It was entirely predictable, and widely predicted, that the sanctions would massively backfire on those imposing them.
It is also entirely predictable that things will only get worse for Western populations until we join the rest of the civilised world rather than trying to subjugate the world.
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Does anyone know the debt to capital ratio for individuals and organisations in Russia and West?
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https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-russia-forecasts-export-gas-price-will-more-than-double-2022-2022-08-17/
Is that Western sanctions working?
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/ofgem-updates-price-cap-level-and-tightens-rules-suppliers
Or this?
How are energy and fuel prices in Russia and the rest of the non sanctioning 80% + of the world?
Turns out that the "gas station with nukes" jibe, oft repeated, was just wishful thinking. Russia's importance to the world economy is so huge, and its economy so diverse, that it is sanction proof.
Western sanctions and pressure on Russia have ensured its own demise and this is becoming clearer by the day. Russia is pretty much autarkic and untouchable by Western sanctions. Especially sanctions from countries that themselves are hugely reliant on Russian imports. It was entirely predictable, and widely predicted, that the sanctions would massively backfire on those imposing them.
It is also entirely predictable that things will only get worse for Western populations until we join the rest of the civilised world rather than trying to subjugate the world.
Gringo any ideas why Russia is way down the league table in terms of GDP?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine)
Economies of UK and US (unsure about the rest of EU and West) have been largely built on low interest rates, low inflation and consummerism creating asset bubbles by way of housing and stock market valuations. What do you think will happen now the drivers to this 'growth' have been abruptly turned off?
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Having recently seen a video of a Russian soldier cutting off a Ukrainian mans testicalls and putting them in the victims mouth, I am not sure it is us who are waiting to "rejoin the civilised world".
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Having recently seen a video of a Russian soldier cutting off a Ukrainian mans testicalls and putting them in the victims mouth, I am not sure it is us who are waiting to "rejoin the civilised world".
What due diligence have you carried out, if any, to ensure the vid isn't just propaganda? Or have you just accepted it at face value as factually correct?
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Gringo any ideas why Russia is way down the league table in terms of GDP?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
GDP is not a measure of the health of an economy. GDP is simply adding together all economic activity into a big number. Services, especially finance, make up an unhealthy 80% of the UK GDP, agriculture around 1% and manufacturing 19%.
Find out yourself what these breakdown of sectors looks like in a healthy economy like China or Russia. You will be shocked and may learn something.
Current measure by PPP (purchasing power parity), a more accurate measure than crude GDP alone tells a different tale.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/purchasing-power-parity.php
Russia 6th, UK 11th.
I doubt that you really are interested in a debate on the relative merits of the UK and Russian economies, you just want to hear Russia bad and keep the delusion that the UK is a healthy economy and a force for good. So you repeat, parrot fashion, your instructions. GDP is bigger so we are better, or some such.
The most important but overlooked part of the current turmoil is the financial war against Western control of the financial system of the world. Western weaponising of the status of the dollar and SWIFT clearing systems by their use of unilateral, and illegal under UN charter, sanctions have boomeranged back and the international finance system is being overhauled. The sheer amount of these sanctions on countless countries is, in itself, an indicator of the weakness of the Western system. It smells of desperation because it is desperation.
The basket of currencies backed by commodities, introduced by BRICS, is putting power back into the hands of the countries who own the commodities. Western bullying and sanctions as tools are being taken away from them. You can refuse to see what is in front of you but it doesn't make it go away.
You keep repeating the GDP figures to yourself if it makes you feel better. It won't last long anyway. When finance, banking, insurance is taken from the West(happening now) in response to their self defeating sanctions then it is over.
Winter is coming. Russia has all the time in the world. 80% + of the world ignoring Western sanctions and trading with Russia. See how unified the EU and NATO are in the next few months as their populations freeze.
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An interesting thought experiment.
We have real time information on how Western sanctions when applied to Russia affect both the sanctioners and the sanctioned.
Now imagine Russia imposing their own sanctions on us. Could they cause more damage to Western economies than we can inflict on them?
The answer is obvious.
Western economies are built on sand and its enforcer wing (NATO) is exposed as weak and bloated.
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GDP is not a measure of the health of an economy. GDP is simply adding together all economic activity into a big number. Services, especially finance, make up an unhealthy 80% of the UK GDP, agriculture around 1% and manufacturing 19%.
Find out yourself what these breakdown of sectors looks like in a healthy economy like China or Russia. You will be shocked and may learn something.
Current measure by PPP (purchasing power parity), a more accurate measure than crude GDP alone tells a different tale.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/purchasing-power-parity.php
Russia 6th, UK 11th.
I doubt that you really are interested in a debate on the relative merits of the UK and Russian economies, you just want to hear Russia bad and keep the delusion that the UK is a healthy economy and a force for good. So you repeat, parrot fashion, your instructions. GDP is bigger so we are better, or some such.
The most important but overlooked part of the current turmoil is the financial war against Western control of the financial system of the world. Western weaponising of the status of the dollar and SWIFT clearing systems by their use of unilateral, and illegal under UN charter, sanctions have boomeranged back and the international finance system is being overhauled. The sheer amount of these sanctions on countless countries is, in itself, an indicator of the weakness of the Western system. It smells of desperation because it is desperation.
The basket of currencies backed by commodities, introduced by BRICS, is putting power back into the hands of the countries who own the commodities. Western bullying and sanctions as tools are being taken away from them. You can refuse to see what is in front of you but it doesn't make it go away.
You keep repeating the GDP figures to yourself if it makes you feel better. It won't last long anyway. When finance, banking, insurance is taken from the West(happening now) in response to their self defeating sanctions then it is over.
Winter is coming. Russia has all the time in the world. 80% + of the world ignoring Western sanctions and trading with Russia. See how unified the EU and NATO are in the next few months as their populations freeze.
I stopped reading when I got to the part I've highlighted in bold since its clear that you haven't read my posts about the UK economy on this thread and elsewhere.
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I stopped reading when I got to the part I've highlighted in bold since its clear that you haven't read my posts about the UK economy on this thread and elsewhere.
Fair comment. I have read a couple of those posts now and take back the comment. I am used to dealing with the dishonest blather from Steve and David and apologise for lumping you in with them by my reply.
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What due diligence have you carried out, if any, to ensure the vid isn't just propaganda? Or have you just accepted it at face value as factually correct?
Having recently seen a video of a Russian soldier cutting off a Ukrainian mans testicalls and putting them in the victims mouth, I am not sure it is us who are waiting to "rejoin the civilised world".
There is no due diligence from David. This is what he considers debate, making snide irrelevant comments. He seems to consume a lot of "war porn" whilst affecting to not know what the expression means.
There are videos of all kinds of atrocities from this war and others for those whose boat is floated by "war porn". Atrocities on all sides happen in war, David only sees (looks for) one side committing crimes as if it's a Hollywood film with good guys (us) and bad guys (Russians).
The long and sorry list list of Western war crimes since (and prior to)WWII and accelerated post Soviet Union break up are being exposed to the light. The world is no longer willing to be ruled and subjugated by Western governments seemingly acting, not for the interests of their own people, but for Western banks and shady hidden Corporate interests.
The bullying has been stood up to by Russia and the world, or 80% + of it, has Russia's back.
Russia has exposed, to the world, that NATO is toothless.
The civilised world, David, is that part of the world that doesn't attempt to set rules to the rest of the world on their terms (Western sanctions and weaponising of SWIFT and the dollar as reserve currency), invades or regime changes those who refuse to submit to their will and steal the resources of others (Freezing of accounts of foreign nations, Afghanistan, Russia etc., theft of Venezuelan gold by Bank of England by recognising the non president Guiado etc) as well as blatant theft of resources in Syria. It is easy to go on and list numerous examples of Western piracy.
The part of the world that doesn't do all of the above, ie. Not NATO, is the civilised part.
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Controlled Western governments have no answers to the coordinated push back by Russia and other commodity controlling nations. Interesting moves everywhere, one of which is the opening of a precious metals exchange by Russia.
It has long been known that the London Bullion Market Association(LBMA) is rigged. The amount of so called "paper gold" far outstrips real gold. India is also starting its own exchange, for the same reasons as Russia (rigging by the LBMA). Western financial institutions will disappear into history, along with the EU and Nato, both having outlived any relevance.
Western economies are being exposed as built on sand simultaneously to Russia exposing NATO as all bark and no bite.
Western government and media hatred of Putin is not based on any of the supposed crimes they accuse him of. It is because he stopped the looting and attempted break up of Russia and instead rebuilt it into an independent, autarkic, economic and military superpower.
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https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/
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The accelerating and un-stoppable momentum towards multi-polarity continues. Iran, at the centre of so many initiatives and trade routes. All of the so called "isolated" states seem to be the ones isolating the self styled "International community" now.
https://thesaker.is/two-articles-by-pepe-escobar-about-china-and-iran/
Well worth a read. The world is ditching Empire. Led by three truly sovereign states(China, Russia and Iran). Trade routes(rail, sea, road) through the Eurasian space-pipelines for energy. The new silk roads (Belt Road initiative) all thriving and offering countries the chance to develop themselves using their own resources and strategic locations to their own benefit. A few excerpts below-worth reading in full. Escobar has been writing about BRI and Eurasian politics for decades now and is well informed and worth reading.
The key takeaway of President Ebrahim Raeisi’s state visit to Beijing goes way beyond the signing of 20 bilateral cooperation agreements.
This is a crucial inflexion point in an absorbing, complex, decades-long, ongoing historical process: Eurasia integration.
Little wonder that President Raeisi, welcomed by a standing ovation at Peking University before receiving an honorary academic title, stressed “a new world order is forming and taking the place of the older one”, characterized by “real multilateralism, maximum synergy, solidarity and dissociation from unilateralisms”.
And the epicenter of the new world order, he asserted, is Asia.
Other international financial partners may come in the form of the Asian Infrastructure Development Bank (AIIB) and the NDB – the BRICS bank, as soon as Iran is accepted as a member of BRICS+: that may be decided this coming August at the summit in South Africa.
Energy deals – oil, gas, petrochemical industry, renewables – will boom across what I dubbed Pipelineistan in the early 2000s.
Chinese companies will certainly be part of new oil and gas pipelines connecting to the existing Iranian pipeline networks and configuring new pipeline corridors.
Already established Pipelineistan includes the Central Asia-China pipeline, which connects to China’s West-East pipeline grid, nearly 7,000 km from Turkmenistan to the eastern China seaboard; and the Tabriz-Ankara pipeline (2,577 km, from northwest Iran to the Turkish capital).
Then there’s one of the great sagas of Pipelineistan: the IP (Iran-Pakistan) gas pipeline, previously known as the Peace Pipeline, from South Pars to Karachi.
The Americans did everything in the book – and off the books – to stall it, delay it or even kill it. But IP refused to die; and the China-Iran strategic partnership could finally make it happen.
A new geostrategic architecture
Arguably, the central node of the China-Iran strategic partnership is the configuration of a complex geostrategic economic architecture: connecting the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the flagship of BRI, to a two-pronged Iran-centered corridor.
This will take the form of a China-Afghanistan-Iran corridor and a China-Central Asia-Iran corridor, thus forming what we may call a geostrategic China-Iran Economic Corridor.
Beijing and Tehran, now on overdrive and with no time to lose, may face all manner of challenges – and threats – from the Hegemon; but their 25-year strategic deal does honor historically powerful trading/ merchant civilizations now equipped with substantial manufacturing/ industrial bases and with a serious tradition in advanced scientific innovation.
The serious possibility of China-Iran finally configuring what will be a brand new, expanded strategic economic space, from East Asia to West Asia, central to 21st century multipolarity, is a geopolitical tour de force.
Not only that will completely nullify the US sanction obsession; it will direct Iran’s next stages of much needed economic development to the East, and it will boost the whole geoeconomic space from China to Iran and everyone in between.
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More Escobar;
The core of multipolarity
Iran is perfectly positioned for a Chinese-propelled boom in high-speed cargo rail, connecting Iran to most of Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan).
That means, in practice, cool connectivity with a major logistics cluster: the Special Economic Zone (SEZ) of Khorgos, only 330 km from Almaty on the Kazakh-China border, and only four hours from Urumqi, Xinjiang’s capital.
If China pulls that off, it would be a sort of BRI Holy Grail, interconnecting China and Iran via Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Nothing less than several corridors in one.
All that is about to happen as the Islamic Revolution in Iran celebrates its 44th year.
What is already happening now, geopolitically, and fully recognized by China, might be defined as the full rejection of an absurdity: the collective west treating Iran as a pariah or at best a subjugated neo-colony.
With the diverse strands of the Resistance embedded in the Islamic Revolution finally consolidated, it looks like history is finally propelling Iran as one of the key poles of the most complex process at work in the 21st century: Eurasia integration.
So 44 years after the Islamic Revolution, Iran enjoys strategic partnerships with the three top BRICS: China, Russia and India.
Likely to become one of the first new members of BRICS+, Iran is the first West Asian state to become a full member of the SCO, and is clinching a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU).
Iran is a major strategic partner of both BRI, led by China, and the INSTC, alongside Russia and India.
With the JCPOA all but dead, and all western “promises” lying in the dust, Tehran is consolidating its pivot back to the East at breakneck speed.
What Raisi and Xi sealed in Beijing heralds Chinese pre-eminence all across West Asia – keenly perceived in Beijing as a natural consequence of recognizing and honoring Iran’s regional centrality.
Iran’s “Look East” strategy could not be more compatible with BRI – as an array of BRI projects will accelerate Iran’s economic development and consolidate its inescapable role when it comes to trade corridors and as an energy provider.
During the 1980s Tehran was ruled by a “Neither East nor West” strategy – faithful to the tenets of the Islamic Revolution. That has now evolved, pragmatically, into “Look East.” Tehran did try to “Look West” in good faith, but what the US government did with the JCPOA – from its murder to “maximum pressure” to its aborted resuscitation – was quite a historical lesson.
What Raisi and Xi have just demonstrated in Beijing is the Sovereign way forward. The three leaders of Eurasia integration – China, Russia and Iran – are fast on their way to consolidate the core of multipolarity.
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"There are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen."
The above is a quote by Lenin, made whilst living in exile prior to the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.
It is apt when applied to the geopolitical turmoil currently occurring. The overturning of decades of "World order" shaped by the collective West ever since the break up of the Soviet Union is being accomplished in weeks/months, largely by the successor state to the USSR, Russia, which demonstrates Twain's observation that, "History never repeats, but it often rhymes." There are many rhymes >:(
The speed and significance of geopolitical and geo-economical events is upending the World order. Meanwhile, in the collective West, we are fed blatant "War Propaganda" by our supposed independent media who studiously ignore hugely significant events unfolding everywhere that document in real time this "upending". Russian media banned because...
Ukraine is merely one small part of current events. The western media giving blanket coverage to any subject is a clue to the discerning to look elsewhere to see what's being obscured. Ukraine just happens to be the particular square of the geopolitical chessboard that the latest UK/US/NATO gambit to break up and weaken Russia, in order to control the trillions of oil/gas/gold/mineral reserves that Russia happens to be sitting on, is playing out. It is desperate gambit born of desperate times for the collective West and is destined to fail. As the unipolar world dies screaming, the new multipolar world is being born.
PART ONE ( The Death of the Dollar )
Almost unreported in Western media, the ongoing and accelerating ditching of the dollar in world trade and therefore as reserve currency not only gathers pace, it is turning into a sprint. China and Russia introducing a "basket of currencies" which are "commodities backed" and bypassing the dollar is game-changing. Russia selling it's gas only in Rubles to "unfriendly countries" demonstrating quite clearly who is in charge of the board. Saudi Arabia doing a huge oil deal with China, denominated in yuan. All of this unthinkable until now. The world, or at least 7/8ths of it, has had enough of UK/US/NATO bullying, warmongering, piracy, theft and extortion and refuses to join the "Collective West" in sanctioning Russia. It turns out, much to the "Collective West" surprise that there is such a thing as the "Collective East" and they are now, with Russia at the forefront, standing up to the rapidly becoming less "Collective West."
Russia domestically tying the price of gold to the ruble, along with "No rubles, no gas" to unfriendlies was a predictable response to the self defeating idiocy of the EU and Western sanctions on Russia. That the supposed leaders of those countries now suffering the economic blowback couldn't or didn't predict a severe Russian response to the the theft/freezing of their funds in Western banks defies belief. Why would they imagine that Russia would keep supplying gas, whilst they keep supplying now useless Euros/Dollars which are then stolen/frozen in Western central banks due to sanctions? The EU response to double down and triple down on self defeating sanctions will be their downfall. They have taken their own gun, shot themselves in the foot and then the other foot, and now they are aiming the gun at their own head. The rest of the world also sees the outright piracy of the West and takes notes.
The Ruble, predicted to crash by "western experts" to 200/250 rubles to the dollar has in fact bounced back to around 75/80 rubles to the dollar. It is the aggressor nations of the "collective west" whose economies are collapsing. The latest "Sanctions from Hell" another in a long list of recent failed and increasingly desperate gambits by the diminishing Western powers to save the petrodollar system.
https://thesaker.is/rublegas-the-worlds-new-resource-based-reserve-currency/
An informative essay from Pepe Escobar in the link above is worth reading. It would be in UK media if we had one that functioned and dared to "speak truth to power" rather than "tells lies on behalf of power"
World power has disproportionately been wielded by the US/UK led NATO alliance since the break up of the USSR. Particularly the illegal use of sanctions, non UNSC approved, against countries who refused to kowtow. If sanctions don't have the desired effect, after relentless propaganda, a regime change will be attempted via western sponsored "colour revolutions".
If all this fails then NATO, the largest and most criminal, genocidal organisation ever, will invade, destroy, break up the country in question and call it "Responsibility to Protect". There are a lot of problems to unpick to take on the "Empire of Lies". Financial power and military power are the foundations that facilitate the criminal, genocidal aspirations of the Empire and they are being systematically dismantled and destroyed by a Russia/China alliance and backed by an ever growing bandwagon of countries who see the new multipolar world order being born.
The dismantling of US financial power continues apace but can only really succeed if the muscle behind it (NATO) is also neutralised which leads us to Part Two.
"Russia was an alternative to democracy, which pretended to be a democracy and which functioned in its foreign policy by trying to destroy the democracies which were more real than it was. " https://youtu.be/um-SEQDQidM
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"Russia was an alternative to democracy, which pretended to be a democracy and which functioned in its foreign policy by trying to destroy the democracies which were more real than it was. " https://youtu.be/um-SEQDQidM
What has the opinion of USA public service broadcasting on Russian democracy and foreign policy got to do with anything? Of course US Government broadcasters say that. ??? The US also long ago gave up any right to lecture anyone on having a foreign policy specifically designed to crush democracies more real than itself.
The quote you use is actually way more apt when applied to the US. Which democracies, when and how, more real than Russia, have Russia destroyed? Russia don't preach to the rest of the world of their superior democracy or lecture the rest of the world to follow their diktat. Only Natostan "democracies" do that. It only makes sense when applied to the US?
Former President of Tanzania and lifelong opponent of Western colonialism, Julius Nyerere, summed it up best, Steve;
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.
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What has the opinion of USA public service broadcasting on Russian democracy and foreign policy got to do with anything? Of course US Government broadcasters say that. ??? The US also long ago gave up any right to lecture anyone on having a foreign policy specifically designed to crush democracies more real than itself.
The quote you use is actually way more apt when applied to the US. Which democracies, when and how, more real than Russia, have Russia destroyed? Russia don't preach to the rest of the world of their superior democracy or lecture the rest of the world to follow their diktat. Only Natostan "democracies" do that. It only makes sense when applied to the US?
Former President of Tanzania and lifelong opponent of Western colonialism, Julius Nyerere, summed it up best, Steve;
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.
Well there was the Czech guy who fell out of a window in 1948, leading to a Communist takeover, the East Berlin revolt of 1953, then the Hungarian uprising of 1956, the building of the Berlin Wall in 1961, the Prague Spring of 1968, Solidarity in Poland in 1980.
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Well there was the Czech guy who fell out of a window in 1948, leading to a Communist takeover, the East Berlin revolt of 1953, then the Hungarian uprising of 1956, the building of the Berlin Wall in 1961, the Prague Spring of 1968, Solidarity in Poland in 1980.
Steve does a list of countries and events without elaboration that all happened prior to the existence of the Russian Federation-which isn't the Soviet Union, Steve.
Seriously, "the Czech guy who fell out of a window in 1948", wasn't the most convincing retort anyway. Your debating points are remarkably light on detail and relevance.
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Steve does a list of countries and events without elaboration that all happened prior to the existence of the Russian Federation-which isn't the Soviet Union, Steve.
Seriously, "the Czech guy who fell out of a window in 1948", wasn't the most convincing retort anyway. Your debating points are remarkably light on detail and relevance.
It's here. I'm surprised that you don't find parallels between the Soviet Union and Russian Federation. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jan+masaryk+death&sxsrf=AJOqlzU_jXUdp6v0XYK1dkRthDEZY2lpSA%3A1677701618554&source=hp&ei=8rH_Y6KdILG18gK4o72wDA&iflsig=AK50M_UAAAAAY__AAlVrL-GGBqGACgPdKy2SkOFK_cPL&oq=Jan+Masaryk&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYATIFCC4QgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUILhCABDIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgQIIxAnOgUILhCRAjoICC4Q1AIQkQI6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOg4ILhDHARCxAxDRAxCABDoICC4QgAQQsQM6CAguELEDEIMBOgQIABBDOgQILhBDOgoILhDHARDRAxBDOgsIABCxAxCDARCRAjoHCC4QsQMQQzoICC4QgAQQ1AI6CgguELEDENQCEEM6CAguELEDEJECOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CwguENQCELEDEIAEOgcIABCABBAKOgcILhCABBAKOg0ILhCDARCxAxCABBAKUABYuhtgxDdoAHAAeACAAdEBiAHjCpIBBTEuOS4xmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz
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It's here. I'm surprised that you don't find parallels between the Soviet Union and Russian Federation. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jan+masaryk+death&sxsrf=AJOqlzU_jXUdp6v0XYK1dkRthDEZY2lpSA%3A1677701618554&source=hp&ei=8rH_Y6KdILG18gK4o72wDA&iflsig=AK50M_UAAAAAY__AAlVrL-GGBqGACgPdKy2SkOFK_cPL&oq=Jan+Masaryk&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYATIFCC4QgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUILhCABDIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgQIIxAnOgUILhCRAjoICC4Q1AIQkQI6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOg4ILhDHARCxAxDRAxCABDoICC4QgAQQsQM6CAguELEDEIMBOgQIABBDOgQILhBDOgoILhDHARDRAxBDOgsIABCxAxCDARCRAjoHCC4QsQMQQzoICC4QgAQQ1AI6CgguELEDENQCEEM6CAguELEDEJECOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CwguENQCELEDEIAEOgcIABCABBAKOgcILhCABBAKOg0ILhCDARCxAxCABBAKUABYuhtgxDdoAHAAeACAAdEBiAHjCpIBBTEuOS4xmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz
I would have had no problem finding it, Steve, it's that I have no interest in your irrelevant interventions. You have added precisely zero to anyone's understanding, including yours, with your "observations".
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I would have had no problem finding it, Steve, it's that I have no interest in your irrelevant interventions. You have added precisely zero to anyone's understanding, including yours, with your "observations".
Not at all. I've provided a connection between the tactics of the Soviet Union in the Czechoslovakia of 1948 and the Russian Federation of 2023. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11758535/Top-Putin-defence-official-58-plunges-160ft-death-16th-floor-tower-block-window.html
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Multipolarity and End of Empire accelerating rapidly now. The Joint statement released by Saudi Arabia, Iran and China linked below;
https://www.spa.gov.sa/viewfullstory.php?lang=en&newsid=2433231#2433231
Iran and Saudi Arabia have re-opened diplomatic relations with each other in a rapprochement negotiated by China. With the Saudis also announcing a few months ago that they would sell oil in national currencies allowing the bypassing of the dollar, the consequences of this new rapprochement could/should be monumental. Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Occupied Palestine will all be affected by this.
Both the Saudis and Iran are applicants to BRICS+, Iran about to become full member of SCO and the Saudis already dialogue partners. There is simply no stopping the multi-polar world from emerging.
Just over three years ago, this venture was stopped by the brutal murder of General Qasem Soleimani. Invited by the Iraqi government who were hosting the talks between Iran/Saudi, Soleimani was targeted by a US drone in Baghdad. This cowardly assassination, in a sovereign state of an invited diplomat, derailed the rapprochement and was a brutal display of the lengths to which Empire would go to prevent "peace" breaking out in West Asia(Middle East). The description of Soleimani as a diplomat is appropriate in this instance-he was acting in a diplomatic role and was invited in that role by the Iraq government. He was not in a war zone and US actions were a clear and gross war crime.
Three years later, here we are. An excellent piece and discussion, below the line, on some of the ramifications of this huge win for Chinese diplomacy and multi-polarity - "Moon of Alabama" below;
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/mediated-by-china-iran-and-saudi-arabia-restore-ties-there-are-winners-and-losers.html#comments
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A bit more on the ramifications of this geo-political earthquake below from Israeli and Arab media;
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2023-03-10/ty-article/.premium/saudi-iran-rapprochement-in-chinas-middle-east-israel-has-little-influence/00000186-cc34-d739-a9cf-dc7ecd530000
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/03/israeli-leaders-trade-accusations-over-saudi-iran-rapprochement-china
Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett echoed Lapid’s statement, saying, "The renewal of relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran is a serious and dangerous development for Israel, a political victory for Iran and a fatal blow to the effort to build a regional coalition against Iran. It is a resounding failure of the Netanyahu government, stemming from a combination of diplomatic neglect with general weakness and internal conflict in the country. "
Bennett added, "The countries of the world and the region watch Israel and see a country in conflict, with a dysfunctional government. And so these countries choose a side. The Netanyahu government is a resounding economic, political and security failure. Every day, its actions endanger the State of Israel."
Senior opposition member Gideon Saar, who is also member of the Knesset’s foreign affairs and security committee, tweeted, "Netanyahu promised peace with the Saudis. But eventually [the Saudis] made peace with Iran."
Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/03/israeli-leaders-trade-accusations-over-saudi-iran-rapprochement-china#ixzz7vbvlVyEz
The news of the agreement came as Netanyahu was in Rome for his meeting with Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. Speaking with Italian businesspeople before the publication of the agreement, Netanyahu said, "I think the possibilities will grow beyond imagination if we are successful with another goal that I have, and that is to achieve normalization and peace with Saudi Arabia. One of my central goals is to achieve normalization with Saudi Arabia."
Netanyahu noted that the economic possibilities are obvious, such as a pipeline connecting Saudi Arabia and the Haifa port, and into Europe.
The Israeli press noted that Netanyahu’s optimistic words before the publication of the agreement clearly showed he was out of the loop and that the Saudi decision shows that Riyadh does not believe Israel has a viable possibility of striking the Iranian nuclear plans and destroying the Iranian nuclear program.
Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/03/israeli-leaders-trade-accusations-over-saudi-iran-rapprochement-china#ixzz7vbw4h3Mi
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It is becoming increasingly clear to the ROW that there is now an alternative to Western colonialism/imperialism. Led by Russia and China-the burgeoning new multi-polar world offering co-operation and win/win diplomacy and trade is usurping the bullying and thuggish Empire. The world is going through momentous change but for us in the heartlands of Empire-
"The revolution will not be televised!"
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https://www.indianpunchline.com/china-steps-up-a-new-era-has-dawned-in-world-politics/
Indian Punchline on the Iran/Saudi rapprochement and the consequences of it. Some of them highlighted below;
The agreement announced on Friday in Beijing regarding the normalisation of diplomatic relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran and the reopening of their embassies is a historic event. It goes way beyond an issue of Saudi-Iranian relations. China’s mediation signifies that we are witnessing a profound shift of the tectonic plates in the geopolitics of the 21st century.
Yet, this is about the reconciliation between the two biggest regional powers in the Persian Gulf region. The US retrenchment denotes a colossal breakdown of American diplomacy. It will remain a black mark in President Biden’s foreign policy legacy.
But Biden must take the blame for it. Such a cataclysmic failure is largely to be traced to his fervour to impose his neoconservative dogmas as an adjunct of America’s military might and Biden’s own frequent insistence that the fate of humankind hinges on the outcome of a cosmic struggle between democracy and autocracy.
China has shown that Biden’s hyperbole is delusional and it grates against realities. If Biden’s moralistic, ill-considered rhetoric alienated Saudi Arabia, his attempts to suppress Iran met with stubborn resistance from Tehran. And, in the final analysis, Biden literally drove both Riyadh and Tehran to search for countervailing forces that would help them to push back his oppressive, overbearing attitude.
The US’ humiliating exclusion from the centre stage of West Asian politics constitutes a “Suez moment” for the superpower, comparable to the crisis experienced by the UK in 1956, which obliged the British to sense that their imperial project had reached a dead end and the old way of doing things—whipping weaker nations into line as ostensible obligations of global leadership —was no longer going to work and would only lead to disastrous reckoning.
The stunning part here is the sheer brain power and intellectual resources and ‘soft power’ that China has brought into play to outwit the US. The US has at least 30 military bases in West Asia — five in Saudi Arabia alone — but it has lost the mantle of leadership. Come to think of it, Saudi Arabia, Iran and China made their landmark announcement on the very same day Xi Jinping got elected for a third term as president.
What we are seeing is a new China under the leadership of Xi Jinping trotting over the high knoll. Yet, it is adopting a self-effacing posture claiming no laurels for itself. There is no sign of the ‘Middle Kingdom syndrome,’ which the US propagandists had warned against.
On the contrary, for the world audience — especially countries like India or Vietnam, Turkey, Brazil or South Africa — China has presented a salutary example of how a democratised multipolar world can work in future — how it is possible to anchor big power diplomacy on consensual, conciliatory politics, trade and interdependence and advance a ‘win-win’ outcome.
Implicit in this is another huge message here: China as a factor of global balance and stability. It is not only Asia-Pacific and West Asia who are watching. The audience also includes Africa and Latin America — in fact, the entire non-Western world that forms the big majority of world community who are known as the Global South.
What the pandemic and the Ukraine crisis have brought to the surface is the latent geopolitical reality that the Global South rejects the policies of neo-mercantalism pursued by the West in the garb of ‘liberal internationalism.’
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https://www.indianpunchline.com/china-steps-up-a-new-era-has-dawned-in-world-politics/
Indian Punchline on the Iran/Saudi rapprochement and the consequences of it. Some of them highlighted below;
The agreement announced on Friday in Beijing regarding the normalisation of diplomatic relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran and the reopening of their embassies is a historic event. It goes way beyond an issue of Saudi-Iranian relations. China’s mediation signifies that we are witnessing a profound shift of the tectonic plates in the geopolitics of the 21st century.
Yet, this is about the reconciliation between the two biggest regional powers in the Persian Gulf region. The US retrenchment denotes a colossal breakdown of American diplomacy. It will remain a black mark in President Biden’s foreign policy legacy.
But Biden must take the blame for it. Such a cataclysmic failure is largely to be traced to his fervour to impose his neoconservative dogmas as an adjunct of America’s military might and Biden’s own frequent insistence that the fate of humankind hinges on the outcome of a cosmic struggle between democracy and autocracy.
China has shown that Biden’s hyperbole is delusional and it grates against realities. If Biden’s moralistic, ill-considered rhetoric alienated Saudi Arabia, his attempts to suppress Iran met with stubborn resistance from Tehran. And, in the final analysis, Biden literally drove both Riyadh and Tehran to search for countervailing forces that would help them to push back his oppressive, overbearing attitude.
The US’ humiliating exclusion from the centre stage of West Asian politics constitutes a “Suez moment” for the superpower, comparable to the crisis experienced by the UK in 1956, which obliged the British to sense that their imperial project had reached a dead end and the old way of doing things—whipping weaker nations into line as ostensible obligations of global leadership —was no longer going to work and would only lead to disastrous reckoning.
The stunning part here is the sheer brain power and intellectual resources and ‘soft power’ that China has brought into play to outwit the US. The US has at least 30 military bases in West Asia — five in Saudi Arabia alone — but it has lost the mantle of leadership. Come to think of it, Saudi Arabia, Iran and China made their landmark announcement on the very same day Xi Jinping got elected for a third term as president.
What we are seeing is a new China under the leadership of Xi Jinping trotting over the high knoll. Yet, it is adopting a self-effacing posture claiming no laurels for itself. There is no sign of the ‘Middle Kingdom syndrome,’ which the US propagandists had warned against.
On the contrary, for the world audience — especially countries like India or Vietnam, Turkey, Brazil or South Africa — China has presented a salutary example of how a democratised multipolar world can work in future — how it is possible to anchor big power diplomacy on consensual, conciliatory politics, trade and interdependence and advance a ‘win-win’ outcome.
Implicit in this is another huge message here: China as a factor of global balance and stability. It is not only Asia-Pacific and West Asia who are watching. The audience also includes Africa and Latin America — in fact, the entire non-Western world that forms the big majority of world community who are known as the Global South.
What the pandemic and the Ukraine crisis have brought to the surface is the latent geopolitical reality that the Global South rejects the policies of neo-mercantalism pursued by the West in the garb of ‘liberal internationalism.’
What nonsense. They reneged on a deal over Hong Kong, they refused to recognize international tribunal rulings over the South China Sea, they are committing crimes against the Uighurs and exploiting their own workforce. https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/299911656433331211/
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What nonsense. They reneged on a deal over Hong Kong, they refused to recognize international tribunal rulings over the South China Sea, they are committing crimes against the Uighurs and exploiting their own workforce. https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/299911656433331211/
Another drive by list, courtesy of Steve, of things he knows nothing about and are nothing to do with what he is replying to, even tenuously. It is embarrassing to refer to "a deal over Hong Kong". Only an apologist for colonialism would refer to, "a deal over Hong Kong".
"A deal" signed at the point of a gun is not understood to be a deal by anyone civilised. That the "terms" of this so called "deal" are being selectively and subjectively being combed over now, nearly 200 years later by regime media, speaks only of Empire aggression-not Chinese. It was seizure, theft and extortion done in order that the British Empire could ship and sell opium. That is the "deal" that you refer to as if it were "Holy Writ". Empire is over, Steve. The other things in your dumb list are just repeating the partisan "reporting" of the thoroughly discredited Western media, none of it is reality based.
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All of the above should be read bearing in mind the "Global Strategic Initiative" first proposed by Xi Jinping in April 2022;
The GSI is encapsulated in “six commitments”: (i) pursuing common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security; (ii) respecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries; (iii) abiding by the purposes and principles of the UN Charter; (iv) taking the legitimate security concerns of all countries seriously; (v) peacefully resolving differences and disputes between countries through dialogue and consultation; and (vi) maintaining security in both traditional and non-traditional domains.[1]
On 21 February 2023, China released the GSI concept paper which elaborates on the “six commitments” and identifies priorities areas of cooperation. According to the concept paper, the mechanisms for the GSI implementation include various Chinese initiatives at the UN system and Chinese engagement with the Global South via multiple multilateral platforms over which China has strong ownership and influence, namely the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), BRICS cooperation, the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia (CICA), and the Lancang-Mekong Cooperation (LMC), among others.[2] As China’s near-abroad and being situated at the heart of the Indo-Pacific region, Southeast Asia is arguably one of the most critical constituencies of the GSI. It is listed as the first region in the GSI concept paper’s priorities of cooperation, followed by the Middle East, Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean, and Pacific island countries. This article examines the strategic rationale behind the GSI and how it has been received and perceived in Southeast Asia.
Full article below;
https://www.iseas.edu.sg/articles-commentaries/iseas-perspective/2023-11-why-is-chinas-global-security-initiative-cautiously-perceived-in-southeast-asia-by-hoang-thi-ha/
Already we are seeing the fruits of these initiatives. Saudi/Iran rapprochement, massive in itself, acting as a catalyst for further peace moves in the Middle East(West Asia). Below the GSI concept paper released on 21/02/23 by China which elaborates further on the "six commitments". Yemen, Syria, Lebanon will all benefit much to the chagrin of Empire. It is certain that US/NATO will do all they can to prevent peace. Attempted regime changes and destabilisation attempts are to be expected. Ultimately however, Empire is doomed.
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbxw/202302/t20230221_11028348.html
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There is no better demonstration to the ROW of the difference between Empire uni-polarity and the multi-polar future than Xi Jinping and China's initiative to resolve issues peacefully. The brainwashed citizens of NATOstan are not the target audience of the geopolitical moves being made now by China. The choice is stark and plain to see for the ROW.
Where the US/NATO seek to isolate whoever their current enemy du jour is-Iran, Syria, Russia. Illegal sanctions, chaos and coercion-bullying and threats. China instead of attempting to isolate Iran, have used diplomacy, cooperation and trade to bring mutual benefits to all parties. NATOstani public opinions of the Chinese are irrelevant because they are not the target audience, yet. As if African nations or Asia regard China as unreliable based on Empire propaganda about Hong Kong "deal" breaking or other empty NATO allegations. The ROW knows that NATO have trashed country after country and their propaganda is not regarded as credible outside of NATOstan/Empire.
Sovereignty in a multipolar world bound by trade, cooperation and mutual benefit or lose sovereignty and be subsumed and pillaged by Empire. That is the choice. Russia has exposed NATO vulnerability militarily and has shown smaller nations in the ROW that security from NATO is possible. The audience that matters is paying attention.
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There is no better demonstration to the ROW of the difference between Empire uni-polarity and the multi-polar future than Xi Jinping and China's initiative to resolve issues peacefully. The brainwashed citizens of NATOstan are not the target audience of the geopolitical moves being made now by China. The choice is stark and plain to see for the ROW.
Where the US/NATO seek to isolate whoever their current enemy du jour is-Iran, Syria, Russia. Illegal sanctions, chaos and coercion-bullying and threats. China instead of attempting to isolate Iran, have used diplomacy, cooperation and trade to bring mutual benefits to all parties. NATOstani public opinions of the Chinese are irrelevant because they are not the target audience, yet. As if African nations or Asia regard China as unreliable based on Empire propaganda about Hong Kong "deal" breaking or other empty NATO allegations. The ROW knows that NATO have trashed country after country and their propaganda is not regarded as credible outside of NATOstan/Empire.
Sovereignty in a multipolar world bound by trade, cooperation and mutual benefit or lose sovereignty and be subsumed and pillaged by Empire. That is the choice. Russia has exposed NATO vulnerability militarily and has shown smaller nations in the ROW that security from NATO is possible. The audience that matters is paying attention.
You mean the guy who has fiddled the constitution to secure a third term in office? The country which is planning to invade Taiwan by force? The country which has reneged on the deal in Hong Kong? https://youtu.be/NTpQNNjTBO8
Remembering the Beirut bombing of October 23rd 1983, which has Iran's fingerprints all over it. https://youtu.be/XBSE0JndWeo
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Gringo ten months ago - "The end of the empire of lies"
Gringo seven months ago - "Russia will take the entire Ukrainian coast including Odesa"
Gringo two month ago - "Kyiv and Zelensky's government is about to collapse"
Gringo three weeks ago - "Russia is about to drop the hammer"
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Gringo ten months ago - "The end of the empire of lies"
Gringo seven months ago - "Russia will take the entire Ukrainian cost including Odesa"
Gringo two month ago - "Kyiv and Zelensky's government is about to collapse"
Gringo three weeks ago - "Russia is about to drop the hammer"
Anyone paying attention to world events knows all of those things will happen. When Ukraine hostilities end inevitably in Ukraine's and NATO's defeat-there is zero chance of the Kiev regime surviving. There is also zero chance that Russia will allow a hostile presence on the present Ukrainian coast. The End of the Empire of Lies is unravelling in real time before your eyes.
Do you expect that epoch changing events are done in a week or month? Alternatives to SWIFT and changes to global currencies cannot happen overnight. They are happening though and accelerating. Increasingly huge trade deals are bypassing the dollar. The US is no longer trusted and the bullying has been called out and stood up to.
What happened to all the predictions of the ruble turning to rubble?, Russia too weak economically to withstand Western sanctions, too weak militarily, running out of weapons/shells. Everything that you believe about NATO strength and Russian weakness has been shown to be bullshit. The slow pace has found out NATO, not Russian, weakness and lack of preparedness.
NATO is unlikely to survive in its current form. Russia's December 2021 "ultimatum" to NATO will become the next issue, once Ukraine is defeated. We'll see who is volunteering to point missiles at Russia once whatever rump of Ukraine is left. I would guess that Poland, Romania, the Baltic states will be reconsidering their options soon. The blowing up of NordStream will increasingly become an issue. It is clearly an attack by one or more NATO members against the infrastructure of an ally. Energy price increases in Europe are already the cause of unrest. European governments are already facing mass protests against war and sanctions that are destroying their own economies. Russia got plenty of time, David, and ammo. NATO/US/EU are just about out of both. Russia were prepared for a long war, NATO weren't. What does that tell you?
This confrontation has been long prepared for. It has been clear for some time that there has been collaboration between Russia, China, Iran and others preparing the groundwork for the inevitable confrontation to come. The ROW have all their ducks in a row and are now busy implementing the new economic order. Well laid plans are coming together all at once. A hybrid war with many players and many fronts.
Undoing Empire was/is a gordian knot. Total financial economic control via SWIFT and the global reserve status, information control and the military might to enforce their diktat. There was/is a lot to dismantle but it is inevitable.
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You mean the guy who has fiddled the constitution to secure a third term in office? The country which is planning to invade Taiwan by force? The country which has reneged on the deal in Hong Kong? https://youtu.be/NTpQNNjTBO8
Remembering the Beirut bombing of October 23rd 1983, which has Iran's fingerprints all over it. https://youtu.be/XBSE0JndWeo
You are just repeating the horseshit that you have been fed. Planning to invade Taiwan by force? It is Empire that is provoking China. Taiwan is a part of China. They will resolve their issues themselves. Your idiocy rattling on about reneging on the "Hong Kong deal" shows you to be an apologist for colonialism and gunboat diplomacy. What the fuck has it got to do with the UK? They should be embarrassed about their past and the circumstances of the "Hong Kong deal".
Why was Hong Kong a UK colony, Steve? Gunboat diplomacy in order for the British Empire to ship opium. Pirates and drug dealers. Hong Kong is part of China again now. It has it's own status within China and it is their business now. It is shameful to treat the UK colonisation of Hong Kong as some sort of legitimate transaction.
Beirut bombing 1983? It is, at best, speculation that Iran were the perpetrators or behind it. Zero evidence, just speculation. What has the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing got to do with anything, anyway?
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The consequences of the Iran/Saudi rapprochement beginning to reverberate. UAE have frozen all security and military deals with Israel citing instability and violence against the Palestinians by Israel govt. The Saudis have refused visas to an Israeli delegation to Riyadh. The US/Israel/NATO designs on isolating Iran and "normalising" ties with Arab states fatally holed.
Things are unravelling rapidly in the Middle East. Empire will do it's best to prevent stabilisation in Syria, Yemen but will fail. Iran have already shown how defenceless and vulnerable the US are in the Middle East with the missile attacks on US bases after the General Qasem Soleimani assassination. Over a hundred injured troops and the US could do nothing. It's a long game - bit by bit by bit then suddenly.
Xi Jinping talking to Zelensky next before visiting Putin in Moscow. US/NATO chaos, division and bullying is being usurped by diplomacy and cooperation. NATO powerless to stop the inevitable tide of history. They will run interference and sponsor unrest and terrorism but the outcome is not in doubt.
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You are just repeating the horseshit that you have been fed. Planning to invade Taiwan by force? It is Empire that is provoking China. Taiwan is a part of China. They will resolve their issues themselves. Your idiocy rattling on about reneging on the "Hong Kong deal" shows you to be an apologist for colonialism and gunboat diplomacy. What the fuck has it got to do with the UK? They should be embarrassed about their past and the circumstances of the "Hong Kong deal".
Why was Hong Kong a UK colony, Steve? Gunboat diplomacy in order for the British Empire to ship opium. Pirates and drug dealers. Hong Kong is part of China again now. It has it's own status within China and it is their business now. It is shameful to treat the UK colonisation of Hong Kong as some sort of legitimate transaction.
Beirut bombing 1983? It is, at best, speculation that Iran were the perpetrators or behind it. Zero evidence, just speculation. What has the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing got to do with anything, anyway?
Iran, Russia and China are rogue states, not the paragons of virtue you purport to portray.
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Iran, Russia and China are rogue states, not the paragons of virtue you purport to portray.
Who is the arbiter of what constitutes rogue states in your mind?
Iran, Russia and China are no comparison to the US/UK/Israel in terms of rogue status. US on their own are responsible for way more war crimes, invasions, death and destruction than Iran, Russia and China combined. You focus on ridiculous false western narratives that are simply not recognised in Asia and the Global South generally. Your colonialist mindset prevents you from viewing the world objectively. You don't even question US/UK/NATO presence around the world.
The Global South regard US/UK/France/NATO as rogue states. Centuries of wars and colonialism inform this view. Russia are viewed favourably in Africa because of the role that the Soviet Union played in ending colonial rule. African states, correctly or not, regard Russia as inheritors of that mantle. Russia, China and Iran are regarded with more trust in the world than the bullying Empire. You may not like this fact but global developments show that it is you who is out of lockstep with global opinion. NATOstan public opinion, propagandised as it is, is irrelevant now.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/19/nscs_john_kirby_china_and_russia_are_chafing_against_the_us-led_international_rules-based_order.html
Imagine any other country making such belligerent statements as John Kirby does on behalf of the US. The mask off completely now.
Peace deal-unacceptable
Who the f#@? do they think they are to dictate this?
It should be obvious even to the indoctrinated few in NATOstan by now that NATO is an international crime syndicate on a global scale and not, "purely a defensive alliance". They have no interest in the UN charter and international law, referring always instead to the "international rules based order".
The "international rules based order" is a never defined concept but roughly correlates to- Sign this or we'll sanction/colour revolution you. If sanctions/destabilisation prove ineffective then NATO will come and f#@? you up... Yes on the dotted line just there...
The "International Rules Based Order" depends largely on fomenting and sponsoring as much dis-order as you can. Preventing order is the only way to maintain the Rules Based Order?!
Kirby and US/NATO aren't even veiling this anymore. The desperation is palpable. On the back of the historic Iran/Saudi rapprochement, China has emerged as the diplomatic front of the hybrid war against Empire. The Iran/Saudi deal has kick-started a process in the Middle East that derails the Empire plan of division and Chaos. Empire's attempted and ongoing attempts to isolate Syria, Iran in order to later attack them undermined. Syria opening up relations with the Arab states previously hostile towards them(at the behest of Empire). Iran and Iraq have signed an agreement to cooperate in ending US sponsored trouble on their border. Assad visiting UAE, Moscow.
All of the Arab states moving away from the dollar and applicants for the burgeoning BRICS+. Empire has only threats and is powerless to stop the inevitable.
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Kirby's comments from earlier. Now imagine a Chinese/Russian spokesman saying it. How would our resident NATO apologists react to spokespersons of any other country using the language, tone and manner of Kirby? That is how the ROW and the non indoctrinated NATOstanis react to NATO "diplomacy". It isn't even hidden any longer
MIKE EMANUEL: Okay. So, there were reports this week that a Chinese company has shipped assault rifles, body armor and drone parts to Russia. This on the heels of China, Iran, and Russia holding joint naval exercises. Chinese President Xi is traveling to Moscow tomorrow.
It feels an awful lot that Russia and China are trying to chip away at America’s superpower status.
JOHN KIRBY: There’s no question that both China and Russia, and this is right out in the national security strategy, are two countries that are chafing against this international rules-based order that the United States and so many of our allies and parties have built up, since the end of World War II. They don’t -- they don’t like that. They’d like to rewrite the rules of the game globally.
And they have been increasing their cooperation and their relationship, certainly of late. China has not condemned Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. They are still buying Russian oil and energy resources. And they have at least given tacit approval because they’ve taken the Russian claim that this is somehow an existential threat against Russia. That’s the war is the West’s fault.
So, we watch what comes out of this -- this meeting here Monday through Wednesday, of President Xi to Moscow, the state visit, if you will.
Now, what we have said before and we’ll say it again today that if coming out of this meeting, there’s some sort of call for a ceasefire, well, that’s just going to be unacceptable because all that’s going to do, Mike, is ratify Russian’s conquest to date. All that’s going to do is give Mr. Putin more time to refit, retrain, re-man and try to plan for a renewed offensive at the time of his choosing.
The ever dwindling band of NATOstani apologists may ignore the warmongering belligerent language but the ROW are taking notes... and taking sides.
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"Russia-Africa in a Multipolar World" conference in Moscow today. Representatives of 40 African nations. All that isolation and pariah status of Russia we are told about;
https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1637726914386468864
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/70745
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A reasonable summary by Alastair Crooke of the implications of the current diplomatic moves being made in West Asia brokered by China and their alliance with Russia.
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/a-most-consequential-alliance
A couple of highlights from the article;
President Raisi has been invited to Riyadh by King Salman after Eid. Could we have imagined such a thing two years ago?
And don’t forget, the mediation -- though led by China -- is guaranteed implicitly by both China AND Russia. That means a lot. Yet Americans may miss the most important part of this agreement: the changing regional roles of both Saudi Arabia and Iran. Some months of smoothly integrated diplomacy not only showed both parties to be “skilful actors”, but also creative ones who know how to do ‘the hard lift’ of real diplomacy. As one leading neo-conservative US commentator acknowledged, “as frustrating as it may be, there is a method to US partners’ madness”.
Big changes then, triggered by the China-Russia rapprochement: Russian fighter jets regularly overfly America’s al-Tanf military base on the borders with Jordan and Syria, which hosts a small town of American-trained ‘insurgency’ forces.
That, and the frequent militia rocket attacks on American bases in north-east Syria, both signal that America faces ‘Time’s Up’ in respect to their Syria deployment.
More changes than a new regional security architecture seem likely to flow from the Entente: Fareed Zakaria of CNN warned:
"Here’s my take … The most interesting outcome of the Xi-Putin Summit, and barely reported, was Putin saying: “we are in favour of using the Chinese yuan for settlements between Russia and the countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America."
"So, the world’s second largest economy (sic!) and its largest energy exporter are together actively trying to dent the dollar’s dominance as the anchor of the world’s financial system. Will they succeed? … The dollar is America’s last surviving superpower. It gives Washington unrivalled economic and political muscle … The war in Ukraine combined with Washington’s increasingly confrontational approach [however] to China, have created a perfect storm in which both Russia and China are accelerating efforts to diversify away from the dollar …"
"Washington’s weaponisation of the dollar has led many important countries to search for ways [to avoid US sanctions]. Could the US currency suffer weakness through ‘a thousand cuts’? A likely scenario. For the first time in memory, we have a international financial crisis in which the dollar is weakening instead of strengthening. A sign of a reckoning to come? "[/b]
The pace of the change in world order has accelerated way beyond Empire's grasp. Empire will continue to "run interference" for as long as it can but it has no means to reverse or prevent the incoming tide of history.
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Pepe Escobar's latest. More on the unstoppable shifting sands of global politics and economic power. Empire arsonists can't keep up. The execution of the upending of Western/US economic and political dominance has happened at such speed that Empire has been helpless to do anything to stem the flow.
The Russian Slo-Mo SMO exposing Empire's military vulnerability. The economic and diplomatic war led by China has been pure Blitzkrieg-Shock and Awe and has exposed the rentier economies of the West.
After the "Cold War" and break up of USSR, Empire in it's hubris, thinking that it was no longer required discarded the carrot. With no competing bloc, and the biggest stick, Empire no longer needed to offer sweeteners and simply imposed its will.
Then after decades of unprecedented aggression a rebuilt Russian military with a bigger stick appeared, totally blindsiding Empire. Enter China, with carrots galore, and suddenly Empire is all out of options. Desperately trying to start fires left, right and centre-resorting to straight up terror attacks. The speed of global unravelling of Empire is remarkable. What a time to be alive! anyway here's Pepe;
https://thecradle.co/article-view/23394/columns
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Anything else happening in Tankie fantasy world we should know about? :))
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The wit and wisdom of David. Below I have copied and pasted your contributions to this thread(in red below) so far in their entirety. As I have remarked often-you have nothing to add and are incapable of debate, David.
Oh God!
The government is going to ban petrol and diesel cars by 2030 and eight new nuclear power stations are in the pipeline for 2030 also.
Nuclear fusion technology is also on the horizon.
https://www.ft.com/content/cc39da72-7c9c-4a4a-9d51-1049a9badcac
Vladolf Putlers invasion will be the last major war funded by oil.
Have you ever heard of a "Selfawarewolf"? Its when someone unknowingly describes themselves.
You are doing it again! :))
Link to a Wikipedia article(without comment) in order to "prove" that Western sanctions againsy Russia were working :-[ :o :))
Having recently seen a video of a Russian soldier cutting off a Ukrainian mans testicalls and putting them in the victims mouth, I am not sure it is us who are waiting to "rejoin the civilised world".
Gringo ten months ago - "The end of the empire of lies"
Gringo seven months ago - "Russia will take the entire Ukrainian coast including Odesa"
Gringo two month ago - "Kyiv and Zelensky's government is about to collapse"
Gringo three weeks ago - "Russia is about to drop the hammer"
Anything else happening in Tankie fantasy world we should know about? :))
I will try to keep you posted on what is happening in the objective reality that you "should know about" but remain ignorant of, David
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James Rickards on the upcoming BRICS currency and the implications;
"On Aug. 22, about 2½ months from today, the most significant development in international finance since 1971 will be unveiled.
It involves the rollout of a major new currency that could weaken the role of the dollar in global payments and ultimately displace the U.S. dollar as the leading payment currency and reserve currency.
It could happen in just a few years.
The process by which this will happen is unprecedented, and the world is unprepared for this geopolitical shock wave..."
Full article in link;
https://dailyreckoning.com/rickards-drops-bombshell/
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BRICS expansion going into overdrive. The BRICS summit currently being held in South Africa is a huge step in ending "Western" financial and economic dominance and the promise of a multipolar world free from dollar reserve currency abuses. The changes now happening in the world driven by Russia, China and the Global South/Asia are historic and the "Collective West" are powerless to prevent the inevitable tide of history.
From Sputnik today, which we are banned from reading in the press freedom loving UK. I will copy paste below as any links will be inaccessible except to those using a VPN;
JOHANNESBURG (Sputnik) - All the participants of BRICS have agreed that the name of the group will not change after new countries join it, as this will demonstrate continuity, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Thursday.
"Everyone says that the name should remain unchanged, it has already become a brand. None of the newcomers to BRICS suggested otherwise. It seems to me that everyone understands that it is better to leave everything as it is, this will emphasize the continuity of all our work," Lavrov told a press conference following the BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
Energy sphere will be one of the key areas of cooperation in BRICS after new members will join the group, Lavrov added.
"Now that we are joined by such major players in the energy market as Saudi Arabia, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, of course, the topic of energy will shine in a new light and will be in great demand," Lavrov said following the 15th BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
The expanded BRICS will become one of the key pillars of the future fair multipolar world order based on United Nations principles, Lavrov said.
"BRICS, of course, especially the strengthened and expanded one, is one of the leading, [load]bearing pillars of what I am sure will be a fair new order based on the principles of the UN Charter," Lavrov said at a press conference on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
He also noted that this new world order would truly respect the UN principles, unlike the alleged hypocritical agenda currently pursued by the United States in relation to Ukraine.
Earlier in the day, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa announced that the BRICS leaders have decided to invite Argentina, Egypt, Iran, Ethiopia, the UAE and Saudi Arabia to join the group. The membership will take effect from January 1, 2024.
There are events of historic significance unfolding and media/establishment are trying to pretend nothing is happening, as if it will all go away if we ignore it.
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BRICS expansion going into overdrive. The BRICS summit currently being held in South Africa is a huge step in ending "Western" financial and economic dominance and the promise of a multipolar world free from dollar reserve currency abuses. The changes now happening in the world driven by Russia, China and the Global South/Asia are historic and the "Collective West" are powerless to prevent the inevitable tide of history.
From Sputnik today, which we are banned from reading in the press freedom loving UK. I will copy paste below as any links will be inaccessible except to those using a VPN;
JOHANNESBURG (Sputnik) - All the participants of BRICS have agreed that the name of the group will not change after new countries join it, as this will demonstrate continuity, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Thursday.
"Everyone says that the name should remain unchanged, it has already become a brand. None of the newcomers to BRICS suggested otherwise. It seems to me that everyone understands that it is better to leave everything as it is, this will emphasize the continuity of all our work," Lavrov told a press conference following the BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
Energy sphere will be one of the key areas of cooperation in BRICS after new members will join the group, Lavrov added.
"Now that we are joined by such major players in the energy market as Saudi Arabia, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, of course, the topic of energy will shine in a new light and will be in great demand," Lavrov said following the 15th BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
The expanded BRICS will become one of the key pillars of the future fair multipolar world order based on United Nations principles, Lavrov said.
"BRICS, of course, especially the strengthened and expanded one, is one of the leading, [load]bearing pillars of what I am sure will be a fair new order based on the principles of the UN Charter," Lavrov said at a press conference on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
He also noted that this new world order would truly respect the UN principles, unlike the alleged hypocritical agenda currently pursued by the United States in relation to Ukraine.
Earlier in the day, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa announced that the BRICS leaders have decided to invite Argentina, Egypt, Iran, Ethiopia, the UAE and Saudi Arabia to join the group. The membership will take effect from January 1, 2024.
There are events of historic significance unfolding and media/establishment are trying to pretend nothing is happening, as if it will all go away if we ignore it.
I hadn't read anything about this Gringo when i made my Greenback Post.
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I hadn't read anything about this Gringo when i made my Greenback Post.
Censorship really works then, HB ;) It is where we are in the "Collective West" at the moment. The average man or woman in the street can see obvious truths that are beyond our "thought leaders" ???
In fact, our thought leaders would consider my previous sentence exclusionary and transphobic for ignoring all the other non binary and fluid gender identities.
We are f###ed :-[
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BRICS expansion going into overdrive. The BRICS summit currently being held in South Africa is a huge step in ending "Western" financial and economic dominance and the promise of a multipolar world free from dollar reserve currency abuses. The changes now happening in the world driven by Russia, China and the Global South/Asia are historic and the "Collective West" are powerless to prevent the inevitable tide of history.
From Sputnik today, which we are banned from reading in the press freedom loving UK. I will copy paste below as any links will be inaccessible except to those using a VPN;
JOHANNESBURG (Sputnik) - All the participants of BRICS have agreed that the name of the group will not change after new countries join it, as this will demonstrate continuity, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Thursday.
"Everyone says that the name should remain unchanged, it has already become a brand. None of the newcomers to BRICS suggested otherwise. It seems to me that everyone understands that it is better to leave everything as it is, this will emphasize the continuity of all our work," Lavrov told a press conference following the BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
Energy sphere will be one of the key areas of cooperation in BRICS after new members will join the group, Lavrov added.
"Now that we are joined by such major players in the energy market as Saudi Arabia, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, of course, the topic of energy will shine in a new light and will be in great demand," Lavrov said following the 15th BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
The expanded BRICS will become one of the key pillars of the future fair multipolar world order based on United Nations principles, Lavrov said.
"BRICS, of course, especially the strengthened and expanded one, is one of the leading, [load]bearing pillars of what I am sure will be a fair new order based on the principles of the UN Charter," Lavrov said at a press conference on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
He also noted that this new world order would truly respect the UN principles, unlike the alleged hypocritical agenda currently pursued by the United States in relation to Ukraine.
Earlier in the day, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa announced that the BRICS leaders have decided to invite Argentina, Egypt, Iran, Ethiopia, the UAE and Saudi Arabia to join the group. The membership will take effect from January 1, 2024.
There are events of historic significance unfolding and media/establishment are trying to pretend nothing is happening, as if it will all go away if we ignore it.
But there's very little democracy or respect for the rule of law contained therein. No wonder Saudi Arabia wishes to join.
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But there's very little democracy or respect for the rule of law contained therein. No wonder Saudi Arabia wishes to join.
All you have is hatred of anything other. You are unwilling to tackle or even acknowledge any criminality or Human Rights abuses of "your own side".
Take a look at the population numbers of BRICS members and applicants compared to NATO/EU/G7 etc. The world is democratically choosing to tell the West that they don't want the Western version of democracy(do as we say or else). What could be more democratic than that? Russia/China/BRICS/SCO along with the BRI(Belt Road Initiative) are changing the world and offering an alternative to US/NATO?Western abuses of reserve status(imposing sanctions willy nilly, all of which are explicitly illegal under the UN Charter), overthrowing of countless governments over decades, illegal invasions. The deaths, displacement and destruction of NATO/US interventions over the years tells its own tale, Steve.
That tale is not one of respect for "democracy or respect for the rule of law".
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All you have is hatred of anything other. You are unwilling to tackle or even acknowledge any criminality or Human Rights abuses of "your own side".
Take a look at the population numbers of BRICS members and applicants compared to NATO/EU/G7 etc. The world is democratically choosing to tell the West that they don't want the Western version of democracy(do as we say or else). What could be more democratic than that? Russia/China/BRICS/SCO along with the BRI(Belt Road Initiative) are changing the world and offering an alternative to US/NATO?Western abuses of reserve status(imposing sanctions willy nilly, all of which are explicitly illegal under the UN Charter), overthrowing of countless governments over decades, illegal invasions. The deaths, displacement and destruction of NATO/US interventions over the years tells its own tale, Steve.
That tale is not one of respect for "democracy or respect for the rule of law".
There is limited democracy in India, a thug in charge of Russia and no democracy whatsoever in China.
The Belt Road Initiative is in trouble. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/has-chinas-belt-road-initiative-lost-its-lustre/articleshow/93813091.cms?from=mdr
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There is limited democracy in India, a thug in charge of Russia and no democracy whatsoever in China.
The Belt Road Initiative is in trouble. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/has-chinas-belt-road-initiative-lost-its-lustre/articleshow/93813091.cms?from=mdr
The supposed lack of any democracy in China compared to the "democracy loving west" is demonstrated aptly in this story from China, Steve. Electronics company, Huawei, is owned by its current and former workers. Despite pressure from the west (arrest of their CEO in Canada, sanctions preventing access to 7nm chips etc.) Huawei are easily the leaders in their field worldwide.
This thoroughly undemocratic system of worker ownership of the company meant that last year the 131,000 current and former employees of Huawei shared a dividend payout of $9.65 billion.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/huawei-pays-out-965-bln-dividends-current-retired-staff-2022-04-05/
An average payout of 73,000 dollars for each employee. Some received north of 250,000 dollars as a dividend depending on length of employment. The rentier system of economies of the Western Imperialists is dying and companies such as Huawei are leading the way. The collective worker ownership model of Huawei clearly is working better than the corporate western model-by any measure.
Your view of every other country that you criticise is equally invalid and informed by Western media propaganda. You should read more widely and form your own view rather than the biased and deliberately misleading conclusions served up to you by our own self serving media.
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The supposed lack of any democracy in China compared to the "democracy loving west" is demonstrated aptly in this story from China, Steve. Electronics company, Huawei, is owned by its current and former workers. Despite pressure from the west (arrest of their CEO in Canada, sanctions preventing access to 7nm chips etc.) Huawei are easily the leaders in their field worldwide.
This thoroughly undemocratic system of worker ownership of the company meant that last year the 131,000 current and former employees of Huawei shared a dividend payout of $9.65 billion.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/huawei-pays-out-965-bln-dividends-current-retired-staff-2022-04-05/
An average payout of 73,000 dollars for each employee. Some received north of 250,000 dollars as a dividend depending on length of employment. The rentier system of economies of the Western Imperialists is dying and companies such as Huawei are leading the way. The collective worker ownership model of Huawei clearly is working better than the corporate western model-by any measure.
Your view of every other country that you criticise is equally invalid and informed by Western media propaganda. You should read more widely and form your own view rather than the biased and deliberately misleading conclusions served up to you by our own self serving media.
The situation is more complicated than you make out. https://www.pekingnology.com/p/who-really-owns-huawei-a-response
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The situation is more complicated than you make out. https://www.pekingnology.com/p/who-really-owns-huawei-a-response
The article that you linked to casting doubt on the worker ownership of Huawei has been proven to be factually incorrect. The doubts cast in the article reached by using dubious interpretations and biased conclusions have quite simply been proven to be false by the fact of the $9.65 billion dividend payout to 131,000 former and current employees. The payout is a matter of record and fact, Steve. An average of 73,000 dollars each. Your article is from 2021 and the reports it is based on from 2019 onwards.
From your article(from 2021 and clearly proven to be wrong by subsequent events);
The two authors analyzed Huawei's shareholding structure based on publicly available information about Huawei on the Internet. The article points out with certainty that Huawei employees are not the real owners and controllers of Huawei, and that the "virtual shares" they hold are not real shares
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Is the $9.65 billion dividend payout also not real? I deliberately posted a Reuters link earlier, despite the fact that they are biased and unreliable. Had I posted a Global Times article saying the same you would have called it Chinese propaganda. No-one would ever accuse Reuters of pro Chinese bias so their admittance and printing of this testifies to its veracity. It isn't and can't be disputed, Steve.
Do the think the authors of your article would repeat their doubts now in 2023 in light of the new publicly available information?
Now that you have been made aware that the conclusions of the article you are relying on to cast doubt on Huawei have been, not only comprehensively refuted by new events which are publicly available, but set on fire-Are you still of the belief that Huawei isn't really owned by the workers?
Here is the relevant "publicly available information" required to get to the bottom of who owns Huawei, Steve;
1) 9.65 billion dollars dividend payout
2) 131,000 current and former employees received dividends based on length of service
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The situation is more complicated than you make out. https://www.pekingnology.com/p/who-really-owns-huawei-a-response
A little more from the "Who really owns Huawei" article;
The authors acknowledged that there is not enough information to give a clear answer. But they still make a bold assumption: given the close relationship between Chinese trade unions and the government, and the fact that Huawei's trade union committee holds more than 99% of the shares of Huawei Holdings, it is reasonable to assume that Huawei is a state-controlled or even state-owned enterprise. [5]
So despite claiming that there is not enough information to give a clear answer, the authors went on to make a very bold assumption. That assumption is based on such loose logic as an alleged "close relationship" between "Chinese trade unions and the government" plus the fact of Huawei's trade union committee holding 99% of shares in the holding company then this leads to the conclusion that "it is reasonable to assume that Huawei is a state-controlled or even state-owned enterprise."
How does any of that reasonably lead to those conclusions. Dishonest articles such as the one you linked, have no intention of answering the question they pose as a heading. They want to show that Huawei isn't worker owned and ignore evidence and take great leaps of logic with the little they do use. There is zero chance that they would have ever come to the opposite conclusion. They weren't attempting to answer they pose honestly, but only to cast shade and doubt.
You still posting that article despite the matter of record share out of nearly 10 billion dollars demonstrates that you also are uninterested in any truth that interferes with your world view. As a matter of fact and record, the articles conclusions are thoroughly debunked by subsequent events but your bias prevents you from acknowledging this.
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A little more from the "Who really owns Huawei" article;
The authors acknowledged that there is not enough information to give a clear answer. But they still make a bold assumption: given the close relationship between Chinese trade unions and the government, and the fact that Huawei's trade union committee holds more than 99% of the shares of Huawei Holdings, it is reasonable to assume that Huawei is a state-controlled or even state-owned enterprise. [5]
So despite claiming that there is not enough information to give a clear answer, the authors went on to make a very bold assumption. That assumption is based on such loose logic as an alleged "close relationship" between "Chinese trade unions and the government" plus the fact of Huawei's trade union committee holding 99% of shares in the holding company then this leads to the conclusion that "it is reasonable to assume that Huawei is a state-controlled or even state-owned enterprise."
How does any of that reasonably lead to those conclusions. Dishonest articles such as the one you linked, have no intention of answering the question they pose as a heading. They want to show that Huawei isn't worker owned and ignore evidence and take great leaps of logic with the little they do use. There is zero chance that they would have ever come to the opposite conclusion. They weren't attempting to answer they pose honestly, but only to cast shade and doubt.
You still posting that article despite the matter of record share out of nearly 10 billion dollars demonstrates that you also are uninterested in any truth that interferes with your world view. As a matter of fact and record, the articles conclusions are thoroughly debunked by subsequent events but your bias prevents you from acknowledging this.
I'm not really. This is a discussion forum and I welcome all views, with the proviso that once posted members have a right to challenge them. You wouldn't get a Trump-like figure emerging in China now, would you?
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I'm not really. This is a discussion forum and I welcome all views, with the proviso that once posted members have a right to challenge them. You wouldn't get a Trump-like figure emerging in China now, would you?
I would say it is next to impossible for a figure anything like any western politician emerging in China, Steve. Western self styled "democracies" have been well and truly exposed as a complete sham in that they don't answer in any meaningful way to those they serve.
I don't disagree that all views are welcome, with the proviso of a right to challenge. You challenged my statement of worker ownership of Huawei and I challenged your challenge. The authors of the article would not repeat their conclusions now however, in light of subsequent events. It is now beyond doubt that the aspersions cast on Huawei ownership by those authors have been proven to be incorrect. The huge dividend payout and share out puts to bed any question of who the owners are.
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I would say it is next to impossible for a figure anything like any western politician emerging in China, Steve. Western self styled "democracies" have been well and truly exposed as a complete sham in that they don't answer in any meaningful way to those they serve.
I don't disagree that all views are welcome, with the proviso of a right to challenge. You challenged my statement of worker ownership of Huawei and I challenged your challenge. The authors of the article would not repeat their conclusions now however, in light of subsequent events. It is now beyond doubt that the aspersions cast on Huawei ownership by those authors have been proven to be incorrect. The huge dividend payout and share out puts to bed any question of who the owners are.
The USA has the presidential primary or caucus system, which will be held early next year. It's far more democratic than anything China has post-1949. As for Huawei, it's a trojan horse, which is why the firm has been banned from operating in so many countries.
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The USA has the presidential primary or caucus system, which will be held early next year. It's far more democratic than anything China has post-1949. As for Huawei, it's a trojan horse, which is why the firm has been banned from operating in so many countries.
The USA system of democracy has unfortunately become corrupted by so much dark money that it no longer works. Both parties answer to outside financial and corporate interests not the people. This is surely plain for all to see. Huawei has only been banned in western NATO aligned nations. The Snowden revelations (Vault 7), which led to the Guardian offices being visited by MI6 and staff forced to smash the hard drives in their offices, revealed that US intel agencies had "back doors" into Apple, Microsoft and all western Tech companies. The collaboration and spying by our intel agencies via all these means was exposed by the leaked files. It was massive and pervasive.
The reason for the Huawei ban is not because of Chinese spying, it is because our intel agencies would lose some of their own ability to surveil their own populace. Vault 7 revelations do prove this conclusively, Steve.
You should ask yourself, Steve, how come the media and government figures are apparently worried about supposed Chinese spying that is based on nothing more than suspicion and innuendo but ignore the hard unequivocal evidence that it is our own intel services spying on us. What have you read or what do you know about Vault 7?
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A basic primer from Wikipedia;
Vault 7 is a series of documents that WikiLeaks began to publish on 7 March 2017, detailing the activities and capabilities of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to perform electronic surveillance and cyber warfare. The files, dating from 2013 to 2016, include details on the agency's software capabilities, such as the ability to compromise cars, smart TVs,[1] web browsers (including Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox, and Opera),[2][3] and the operating systems of most smartphones (including Apple's iOS and Google's Android), as well as other operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, macOS, and Linux.[4][5] A CIA internal audit identified 91 malware tools out of more than 500 tools in use in 2016 being compromised by the release.[6] The tools were developed by the Operations Support Branch of the C.I.A.[7]
The release of Vault 7 led the CIA to redefine WikiLeaks as a “non-state hostile intelligence service.”[8] In July 2022 former CIA software engineer Joshua Schulte was convicted of leaking the documents to WikiLeaks.
And your worried about Huawei because the people doing the above told you so? Have a word with yourself :-[
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A basic primer from Wikipedia;
Vault 7 is a series of documents that WikiLeaks began to publish on 7 March 2017, detailing the activities and capabilities of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to perform electronic surveillance and cyber warfare. The files, dating from 2013 to 2016, include details on the agency's software capabilities, such as the ability to compromise cars, smart TVs,[1] web browsers (including Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox, and Opera),[2][3] and the operating systems of most smartphones (including Apple's iOS and Google's Android), as well as other operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, macOS, and Linux.[4][5] A CIA internal audit identified 91 malware tools out of more than 500 tools in use in 2016 being compromised by the release.[6] The tools were developed by the Operations Support Branch of the C.I.A.[7]
The release of Vault 7 led the CIA to redefine WikiLeaks as a “non-state hostile intelligence service.”[8] In July 2022 former CIA software engineer Joshua Schulte was convicted of leaking the documents to WikiLeaks.
And your worried about Huawei because the people doing the above told you so? Have a word with yourself :-[
I'm worried that posting sensitive documents willy-nilly à la Julian Assange may pose a danger to those servicemen and servicewomen abroad acting on our behalf to help keep our streets safer from radical Islamic terrorism, to name but one menace.
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I'm worried that posting sensitive documents willy-nilly à la Julian Assange may pose a danger to those servicemen and servicewomen abroad acting on our behalf to help keep our streets safer from radical Islamic terrorism, to name but one menace.
Which is, coincidentally, exactly the thing you have been instructed to be worried about by the same agencies who are spying and have the ability "to compromise cars, smart TVs,[1] web browsers (including Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox, and Opera),[2][3] and the operating systems of most smartphones (including Apple's iOS and Google's Android), as well as other operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, macOS, and Linux"
There is zero evidence that any serviceman/woman was harmed or put in danger by these releases. The public interest served by revealing the mass illegal surveillance by intel agencies far outweighs any harm anyway. You should be more concerned with the implications of such pervasive surveillance and control by intelligence agencies. You are "worried" by those people who whistleblew on the illegal and totalitarian actions against you and completely unperturbed by the revelations and the implications of those. You have "Stockholm Syndrome".
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Peter Lavelle accurately sums up where we are;
"Any western claim to moral superiority has come to an end. It is aiding and abetting genocide in Gaza. An era has come to an end. The west no longer has anything relevant to say to the world. 500 years of hegemony is over." [/b]
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The conclusion of the essay (copied below) to begin this thread a year and a half ago. I re-read the whole essay earlier and it stands up pretty well 18/19 months later;
"Russia, China and the multipolar world order have won, the Great Resetters have been reset. It will take time for the aftermath and consequences of the overturning of the western system to fully unravel but there can be little doubt that western financial power and sanctions regimes are being rendered null and void by the moves in currency and commodity trading backed by China/Russia. Western military might has been exposed as incapable of taking on anything other than small weak defenceless countries(and still get beat).
The propaganda arm (the media) having to work overtime to hide the failures mentioned above and as a consequence, merely helping along their own discrediting amongst even the usually unquestioning. Like the boy who cried wolf, in the end everyone just assumes he is lying. Our media have cried wolf way too often and shown too few wolves to be believed. People who usually ask no questions, suddenly are. As the moves in the world financial system start to impact more and more people's everyday lives then even more will ask questions. The usual lies will not pass muster at this point.
The old World Order is dead/dying. Exposed as pirates and thieves to the rest of the world. Goodbye Empire of Lies."
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Peter Lavelle accurately sums up where we are;
"Any western claim to moral superiority has come to an end. It is aiding and abetting genocide in Gaza. An era has come to an end. The west no longer has anything relevant to say to the world. 500 years of hegemony is over." [/b]
From Wikipedia:
Peter John Lavelle (born February 28, 1961) is an American journalist and host of CrossTalk, a political talk show on the English-language TV channel RT, which is controlled by the Russian state.
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Will Schryver's substack sums its up eloquently today;
"In my view, the single most meaningful consequence of the NATO/Ukraine proxy war against Russia is that most of the major geopolitical players outside the imperial realm are suddenly in open defiance of the capricious "rules-based international order" and its rapacious monetary system.
The catalyst for this rebellion was that Vladimir Putin’s Russia stood alone amongst the kings, princes, presidents, and prime ministers of a trembling world, turned to the masters of empire, and said, “Not an inch further. In fact, you must withdraw to your 1997 status, and take all your armaments with you, beginning with your missiles in Poland and Romania.”
The masters of empire laughed him to scorn, and then encouraged their #MotherOfAllProxyArmies in Ukraine to concentrate to the Donbass and the Azov pursuant to conquering Novorossiya and Crimea once and for all … then on to Moscow.
This war was anything but “unprovoked Russian aggression”. This war was spawned and nurtured for decades in the secret chambers of the imperial dark lords in London and Washington. It was a war the empire knew Russia would fight. The imperial suzerains simply deceived themselves into believing it was a war Russia could not win."[/b]
Full article below;
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/open-defiance
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A little more of the article linked above;
"Most significantly, Russia has exposed for all to see that the empire not only has limitations, but that it is vastly weaker and more vulnerable than hardly anyone had previously been willing to believe.
THAT is why so much of the rest of the world is now emboldened to defy imperial edicts.
THAT is the reason new alliances are solidifying between heretofore reluctant friends.
Nothing unites the human playground quite like one intrepid soul willing to stand, fight, and humble the bully.
The tripartite alliance of Russia, China, and Iran is an adversary more than adequate to roll back imperial rule by leaps and bounds, and in a relatively short span of time."
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intresting artical i thought https://www.globalresearch.ca/imperial-conquest-americas-long-war-against-humanity/5364215
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https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1969399428092961087
Putin delivering the epilogue for the Empire of Lies,
Putin: "I want ordinary Western people hear me, too. You are being persistently told that your current difficulties are the result of Russia’s hostile actions and that you have to pay for the efforts to counter the alleged Russian threat from your own pockets. All of that is a lie.
The truth is that the problems faced by millions of people in the West are the result of many years of actions by the ruling elite of your respective countries, their mistakes, and short-sighted policies and ambitions. This elite is not thinking about how to improve the lives of their citizens in Western countries. They are obsessed with their own self-serving interests and super profits."
Nothing to dispute there
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https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1969399428092961087
Putin delivering the epilogue for the Empire of Lies,
Putin: "I want ordinary Western people hear me, too. You are being persistently told that your current difficulties are the result of Russia’s hostile actions and that you have to pay for the efforts to counter the alleged Russian threat from your own pockets. All of that is a lie.
The truth is that the problems faced by millions of people in the West are the result of many years of actions by the ruling elite of your respective countries, their mistakes, and short-sighted policies and ambitions. This elite is not thinking about how to improve the lives of their citizens in Western countries. They are obsessed with their own self-serving interests and super profits."
Nothing to dispute there
You can't see the inherent contradictions in your posts. The Empire of Lies: it's a good enough description of Putin's Russia from around 2004, when electoral fraud on a huge scale took place. Add that to the totalitarian nature of the regime, the killings of expatriate oligarchs, of recalcitrant journalists, of credible political opponents, the annexation of Crimea and the buffer zone it now needs inside Ukraine to defend its ill-gotten gains.
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"There are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen."
The above is a quote by Lenin, made whilst living in exile prior to the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.
It is apt when applied to the geopolitical turmoil currently occurring. The overturning of decades of "World order" shaped by the collective West ever since the break up of the Soviet Union is being accomplished in weeks/months, largely by the successor state to the USSR, Russia, which demonstrates Twain's observation that, "History never repeats, but it often rhymes." There are many rhymes >:(
The speed and significance of geopolitical and geo-economical events is upending the World order. Meanwhile, in the collective West, we are fed blatant "War Propaganda" by our supposed independent media who studiously ignore hugely significant events unfolding everywhere that document in real time this "upending". Russian media banned because...
Ukraine is merely one small part of current events. The western media giving blanket coverage to any subject is a clue to the discerning to look elsewhere to see what's being obscured. Ukraine just happens to be the particular square of the geopolitical chessboard that the latest UK/US/NATO gambit to break up and weaken Russia, in order to control the trillions of oil/gas/gold/mineral reserves that Russia happens to be sitting on, is playing out. It is desperate gambit born of desperate times for the collective West and is destined to fail. As the unipolar world dies screaming, the new multipolar world is being born.
PART ONE ( The Death of the Dollar )
Almost unreported in Western media, the ongoing and accelerating ditching of the dollar in world trade and therefore as reserve currency not only gathers pace, it is turning into a sprint. China and Russia introducing a "basket of currencies" which are "commodities backed" and bypassing the dollar is game-changing. Russia selling it's gas only in Rubles to "unfriendly countries" demonstrating quite clearly who is in charge of the board. Saudi Arabia doing a huge oil deal with China, denominated in yuan. All of this unthinkable until now. The world, or at least 7/8ths of it, has had enough of UK/US/NATO bullying, warmongering, piracy, theft and extortion and refuses to join the "Collective West" in sanctioning Russia. It turns out, much to the "Collective West" surprise that there is such a thing as the "Collective East" and they are now, with Russia at the forefront, standing up to the rapidly becoming less "Collective West."
Russia domestically tying the price of gold to the ruble, along with "No rubles, no gas" to unfriendlies was a predictable response to the self defeating idiocy of the EU and Western sanctions on Russia. That the supposed leaders of those countries now suffering the economic blowback couldn't or didn't predict a severe Russian response to the the theft/freezing of their funds in Western banks defies belief. Why would they imagine that Russia would keep supplying gas, whilst they keep supplying now useless Euros/Dollars which are then stolen/frozen in Western central banks due to sanctions? The EU response to double down and triple down on self defeating sanctions will be their downfall. They have taken their own gun, shot themselves in the foot and then the other foot, and now they are aiming the gun at their own head. The rest of the world also sees the outright piracy of the West and takes notes.
The Ruble, predicted to crash by "western experts" to 200/250 rubles to the dollar has in fact bounced back to around 75/80 rubles to the dollar. It is the aggressor nations of the "collective west" whose economies are collapsing. The latest "Sanctions from Hell" another in a long list of recent failed and increasingly desperate gambits by the diminishing Western powers to save the petrodollar system.
https://thesaker.is/rublegas-the-worlds-new-resource-based-reserve-currency/
An informative essay from Pepe Escobar in the link above is worth reading. It would be in UK media if we had one that functioned and dared to "speak truth to power" rather than "tells lies on behalf of power"
World power has disproportionately been wielded by the US/UK led NATO alliance since the break up of the USSR. Particularly the illegal use of sanctions, non UNSC approved, against countries who refused to kowtow. If sanctions don't have the desired effect, after relentless propaganda, a regime change will be attempted via western sponsored "colour revolutions".
If all this fails then NATO, the largest and most criminal, genocidal organisation ever, will invade, destroy, break up the country in question and call it "Responsibility to Protect". There are a lot of problems to unpick to take on the "Empire of Lies". Financial power and military power are the foundations that facilitate the criminal, genocidal aspirations of the Empire and they are being systematically dismantled and destroyed by a Russia/China alliance and backed by an ever growing bandwagon of countries who see the new multipolar world order being born.
The dismantling of US financial power continues apace but can only really succeed if the muscle behind it (NATO) is also neutralised which leads us to Part Two.
This will find favour with gringo and ngb1066: https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/07/04/brics-expansion-population-gdp-vietnam/
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This will find favour with gringo and ngb1066: https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/07/04/brics-expansion-population-gdp-vietnam/
This is a world trend which will continue. Amongst other things it will longer term lead to a crisis for the US dollar.
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This is a world trend which will continue. Amongst other things it will longer term lead to a crisis for the US dollar.
And here is the root of all the problems in the world, ngb. The increased belligerence emanating from Empire is a desperate attempt to maintain dollar reserve status and the financial hegemony that comes with that status. Venezuelan narco terrorists :-[, the shameless cover given to Israel, trade wars and threats; it is apparent to the world now that Western Empire is an international crime gang of so called democracies but whose governments self evidently serve global financial and corporate interests. As Putin remarked after the summit with China's Xi Jinping sometime last year, "The 500 year Vampire ball is coming to an end".
The BRICS countries have already shifted massively from dollar trading and tmilitary pre-eminence in the world has also shifted. Russia's crushing of a NATO force in all but name in Ukraine has destroyed the myth of NATO invincibility. The article that Steve linked in the previous comment is a good piece. It references the NAM(non aligned movement) drawing parallels with BRICS. I'm sure ngb and others know well the history and relevance of NAM but for those who don't, it is a good reference point in understanding current alignments and the real root of the wars that western powers involve themselves in.
"BRICS itself shares many commonalities with the Non-Aligned Movement, which was founded by anti-colonial Global South leaders who refused to participate in the First Cold War."
The history of the NAM and particularly the relationship of those countries with the Soviet Union is helpful in understanding the evolution of BRICS and the Belt, Road Initiative (BRI) of China. The adage that "History never repeats but it does rhyme" is demonstrated amply in this brief history. Wikipedia entry on NAM below;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement
In a nutshell, NAM was an anti colonialist organisation of states within the UN in the post WW2 era. The Soviet Union were helpful in gaining many of these countries independence from the colonialist powers and were viewed as the "good guys" by the colonised countries. Many people recognise the dissolution of the Soviet Union as the catalyst for the current rounds of hostile western interventionism. With no bulwark against them the previously colonialist powers, now morphed into NATO began to aggressively expand and launch resource wars. Russia, under Putin, along with China have risen to provide that much needed bulwark against the aggressive, colonialist western powers.
We have come full circle but now the anti colonialists appear to have the upper hand in dismantling the old system. Colonialists morph into NATO and NAM morphs into BRICS+. History is rhyming again.
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And here is the root of all the problems in the world, ngb. The increased belligerence emanating from Empire is a desperate attempt to maintain dollar reserve status and the financial hegemony that comes with that status. Venezuelan narco terrorists :-[, the shameless cover given to Israel, trade wars and threats; it is apparent to the world now that Western Empire is an international crime gang of so called democracies but whose governments self evidently serve global financial and corporate interests. As Putin remarked after the summit with China's Xi Jinping sometime last year, "The 500 year Vampire ball is coming to an end".
The BRICS countries have already shifted massively from dollar trading and tmilitary pre-eminence in the world has also shifted. Russia's crushing of a NATO force in all but name in Ukraine has destroyed the myth of NATO invincibility. The article that Steve linked in the previous comment is a good piece. It references the NAM(non aligned movement) drawing parallels with BRICS. I'm sure ngb and others know well the history and relevance of NAM but for those who don't, it is a good reference point in understanding current alignments and the real root of the wars that western powers involve themselves in.
"BRICS itself shares many commonalities with the Non-Aligned Movement, which was founded by anti-colonial Global South leaders who refused to participate in the First Cold War."
The history of the NAM and particularly the relationship of those countries with the Soviet Union is helpful in understanding the evolution of BRICS and the Belt, Road Initiative (BRI) of China. The adage that "History never repeats but it does rhyme" is demonstrated amply in this brief history. Wikipedia entry on NAM below;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement
In a nutshell, NAM was an anti colonialist organisation of states within the UN in the post WW2 era. The Soviet Union were helpful in gaining many of these countries independence from the colonialist powers and were viewed as the "good guys" by the colonised countries. Many people recognise the dissolution of the Soviet Union as the catalyst for the current rounds of hostile western interventionism. With no bulwark against them the previously colonialist powers, now morphed into NATO began to aggressively expand and launch resource wars. Russia, under Putin, along with China have risen to provide that much needed bulwark against the aggressive, colonialist western powers.
We have come full circle but now the anti colonialists appear to have the upper hand in dismantling the old system. Colonialists morph into NATO and NAM morphs into BRICS+. History is rhyming again.
I would agree that some of the interventions by Western powers in the last few decades have been unnecessary. But to compare a free, voluntary association of democracies with the former Soviet Union is a stretch too far. The latter country had its own empire in Eastern Europe built around a forced cordon sanitaire, it injected its own dissidents in mental hospitals with antipsychotic drugs ( just look at how Russia treated Alexei Navalny), it was mean with foreign aid and ethnically cleansed several countries to serve its own purpose.
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I would agree that some of the interventions by Western powers in the last few decades have been unnecessary. But to compare a free, voluntary association of democracies with the former Soviet Union is a stretch too far. The latter country had its own empire in Eastern Europe built around a forced cordon sanitaire, it injected its own dissidents in mental hospitals with antipsychotic drugs ( just look at how Russia treated Alexei Navalny), it was mean with foreign aid and ethnically cleansed several countries to serve its own purpose.
You do talk utter reactionary bollocks, if you will excuse my language. You seem to adopt the position of the most right wing elements of society today, even to the extent of justifying the venal crimes of the supremacist state of Israel. I really believe that history will judge people like you very harshly.
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You do talk utter reactionary bollocks, if you will excuse my language. You seem to adopt the position of the most right wing elements of society today, even to the extent of justifying the venal crimes of the supremacist state of Israel. I really believe that history will judge people like you very harshly.
You would have more credibility if you acknowledged some of the downsides of life in the former Soviet Union and modern-day Russia. I post an article here, which you might regard as fair and balanced: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/i-m-a-russian-living-in-london-this-is-what-people-back-home-think-of-putin/ar-AA1PLtvl?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=6909acd4dfd64945ba9a3cb429469d24&ei=12
There's a video here of life in contemporary St. Petersburg. It reminds me somewhat of life in the late 1960s and early 1970s, a very good advertisement for Russia, notwithstanding it being something of a show city. https://youtu.be/pgeCuhFCG_A
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I would agree that some of the interventions by Western powers in the last few decades have been unnecessary. But to compare a free, voluntary association of democracies with the former Soviet Union is a stretch too far. The latter country had its own empire in Eastern Europe built around a forced cordon sanitaire, it injected its own dissidents in mental hospitals with antipsychotic drugs ( just look at how Russia treated Alexei Navalny), it was mean with foreign aid and ethnically cleansed several countries to serve its own purpose.
You agree that “some western interventions…were unnecessary”. Which ones do you agree were unnecessary? The fact that you agree that “some” western wars were unnecessary makes the rest of your post moot and a little bit silly. Talking about free and voluntary association with countries who by your own admission have launched multiple “unnecessary wars” is a contradiction, Steve. You’re nearly there.
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I would agree that some of the interventions by Western powers in the last few decades have been unnecessary. But to compare a free, voluntary association of democracies with the former Soviet Union is a stretch too far. The latter country had its own empire in Eastern Europe built around a forced cordon sanitaire, it injected its own dissidents in mental hospitals with antipsychotic drugs ( just look at how Russia treated Alexei Navalny), it was mean with foreign aid and ethnically cleansed several countries to serve its own purpose.
Everything that you falsely accuse the USSR of is a confession of the western colonialists now. China, Russia and BRICS aren’t using threats, blackmail and coercion to force other countries into their trading system. Only the western powers are aggressively inserting themselves into other countries to steal resources. You know this, Steve, and are now defending the indefensible.
Do you think that western “unnecessary interventions” are the cause of most of the current turmoil in the world? Would any of these “unnecessary interventions” amount to wars of aggression. Western wars have all been to protect the western created financial system and dollar reserve currency status. You would instantly recognise the criminality if China, Russia or any other country/alliance were using the current western playbook.
You need to embrace truth and ignore western lies, Steve. Firstly, Navalny, who you often bring up, wasn’t a Russian opposition leader, he was a Western Intelligence asset. Until you embrace the truth about western power you will always be on the wrong side of justice and history.
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Everything that you falsely accuse the USSR of is a confession of the western colonialists now. China, Russia and BRICS aren’t using threats, blackmail and coercion to force other countries into their trading system. Only the western powers are aggressively inserting themselves into other countries to steal resources. You know this, Steve, and are now defending the indefensible.
Do you think that western “unnecessary interventions” are the cause of most of the current turmoil in the world? Would any of these “unnecessary interventions” amount to wars of aggression. Western wars have all been to protect the western created financial system and dollar reserve currency status. You would instantly recognise the criminality if China, Russia or any other country/alliance were using the current western playbook.
You need to embrace truth and ignore western lies, Steve. Firstly, Navalny, who you often bring up, wasn’t a Russian opposition leader, he was a Western Intelligence asset. Until you embrace the truth about western power you will always be on the wrong side of justice and history.
But they use such methods internally against their own people.
If Navalny was a nonentity, why did they have to kill him? https://youtu.be/vQnrW9DSGvg
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You agree that “some western interventions…were unnecessary”. Which ones do you agree were unnecessary? The fact that you agree that “some” western wars were unnecessary makes the rest of your post moot and a little bit silly. Talking about free and voluntary association with countries who by your own admission have launched multiple “unnecessary wars” is a contradiction, Steve. You’re nearly there.
I wouldn't have intervened in Iraq or Libya. Putin intervened in Syria.
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I wouldn't have intervened in Iraq or Libya. Putin intervened in Syria.
Are you seriously suggesting that the US/UK et al didn’t intervene in Syria. Russia were there legally. US were at one point funding, arming and training separate terrorist groups who were fighting each other in Syria. Did you think Afghanistan was legal and justified? If so what was achieved? I think you should add both Syria and Afghanistan to your list and realise that the very same people who committed all the war crimes contained in those wars are the same people whispering into your ear demonising Putin and you are still listening to the blood soaked liars! Why?
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Are you seriously suggesting that the US/UK et al didn’t intervene in Syria. Russia were there legally. US were at one point funding, arming and training separate terrorist groups who were fighting each other in Syria. Did you think Afghanistan was legal and justified? If so what was achieved? I think you should add both Syria and Afghanistan to your list and realise that the very same people who committed all the war crimes contained in those wars are the same people whispering into your ear demonising Putin and you are still listening to the blood soaked liars! Why?
They were harbouring Osama bin Laden, as I recall.