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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: vidvic on July 05, 2011, 12:17:AM
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What about Professor Macdonell? A world expert on forensic ballistics. Persuaded by JB to look at his case. He concluded that Sheila had been murdered. Not suicide. Another liar?
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His full report used to be on here but Mike took it down, he said people were using it to cause mischief. :-\
Its been a while since I read it, I wouldn't mind seeing it again.
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There's a bit of the report and some discussion in this old thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,264.msg1968.html#msg1968
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What about Professor Macdonell? A world expert on forensic ballistics. Persuaded by JB to look at his case. He concluded that Sheila had been murdered. Not suicide. Another liar?
If Jeremy Bamber murdered his family, it doesn't really make good sense for him to then persuade a world renowned blood pattern expert to examine the case.
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I see your point Rocky, but it still doesn't alter his conclusions.
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What about Professor Macdonell? A world expert on forensic ballistics. Persuaded by JB to look at his case. He concluded that Sheila had been murdered. Not suicide. Another liar?
If Jeremy Bamber murdered his family, it doesn't really make good sense for him to then persuade a world renowned blood pattern expert to examine the case.
Whatever JB's motives for asking him, the renowned expert found against him. Do you just discount this man's expertise?
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What about Professor Macdonell? A world expert on forensic ballistics. Persuaded by JB to look at his case. He concluded that Sheila had been murdered. Not suicide. Another liar?
If Jeremy Bamber murdered his family, it doesn't really make good sense for him to then persuade a world renowned blood pattern expert to examine the case.
Whatever JB's motives for asking him, the renowned expert found against him. Do you just discount this man's expertise?
Well I'd argue that it is not in Prof. MacDonnell's remit to find against Bamber in particular. The only thing I've seen of this report is a letter. I'd be interested in which photographs he was allowed access to... and which photographs he was not.
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I see your point Rocky, but it still doesn't alter his conclusions.
I'd like to read the report hartley. I'm not disrespecting his conclusions but we need to know what was available to him and how much was known by the defense about the case, at the time of his findings, imo.
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I see your point Rocky, but it still doesn't alter his conclusions.
I'd like to read the report hartley. I'm not disrespecting his conclusions but we need to know what is available to him and how much was known by the defense about the case, at the time of his findings, imo.
Yes I understand what you mean.
It would be good if Mike could post it again, amongst other things I'm quite interested in seeing if there are major discrepancies between his report and Fletchers report regarding ballistics.
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What about Professor Macdonell? A world expert on forensic ballistics. Persuaded by JB to look at his case. He concluded that Sheila had been murdered. Not suicide. Another liar?
If Jeremy Bamber murdered his family, it doesn't really make good sense for him to then persuade a world renowned blood pattern expert to examine the case.
Whatever JB's motives for asking him, the renowned expert found against him. Do you just discount this man's expertise?
Well I'd argue that it is not in Prof. MacDonnell's remit to find against Bamber in particular. The only thing I've seen of this report is a letter. I'd be interested in which photographs he was allowed access to... and which photographs he was not.
He also seems to suggest that Sheila didn't ever stand up after being shot.
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What about Professor Macdonell? A world expert on forensic ballistics. Persuaded by JB to look at his case. He concluded that Sheila had been murdered. Not suicide. Another liar?
If Jeremy Bamber murdered his family, it doesn't really make good sense for him to then persuade a world renowned blood pattern expert to examine the case.
Whatever JB's motives for asking him, the renowned expert found against him. Do you just discount this man's expertise?
Well I'd argue that it is not in Prof. MacDonnell's remit to find against Bamber in particular. The only thing I've seen of this report is a letter. I'd be interested in which photographs he was allowed access to... and which photographs he was not.
He also seems to suggest that Sheila didn't ever stand up after being shot.
Vic does he rule out that she may have crawled?
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Rocky, yes he does, his report is quite damning, have you seen the link I put up above, the first post in that thread contains his preliminary findings.
It doesn't state that JB is guilty though, it states that Shiela didn't kill herself.
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Rocky, yes he does, his report is quite damning, have you seen the link I put up above, the first post in that thread contains his preliminary findings.
It doesn't state that JB is guilty though, it states that Shiela didn't kill herself.
Thanks hartley I have read the report. He does seem certain. There's a bit of debate going on in that thread between Mike and Kaldin also.
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Rocky, yes he does, his report is quite damning, have you seen the link I put up above, the first post in that thread contains his preliminary findings.
It doesn't state that JB is guilty though, it states that Shiela didn't kill herself.
Thanks hartley I have read the report. He does seem certain. There's a bit of debate going on in that thread between Mike and Kaldin also.
Thinking back, I'm beginning to wonder if he carried out the full report, I thought I'd seen a longer document, but if that was his preliminary findings, I'm not sure if he was instructed to continue or not.
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I see your point Rocky, but it still doesn't alter his conclusions.
Yes, but what were his conclusions based on, Harters...half the evidence.
As Shaw says, if Jeremy had been the murderer he would have known that the ballistics case presented at the trial was totally wrong: for example because the markings on the cartridges show two guns were used not one.
Yet Jeremy didn't have a clue about this, so the one gun theory went unchallenged.
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I see your point Rocky, but it still doesn't alter his conclusions.
Yes, but what were his conclusions based on, Harters...half the evidence.
As Shaw says, if Jeremy had been the murderer he would have known that the ballistics case presented at the trial was totally wrong: for example because the markings on the cartridges show two guns were used not one.
Yet Jeremy didn't have a clue about this, so the one gun theory went unchallenged.
I'm not interesting in continually going round in circles.
I was just having a nice friendly little chat with my mate Rocky.
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I see your point Rocky, but it still doesn't alter his conclusions.
Yes, but what were his conclusions based on, Harters...half the evidence.
As Shaw says, if Jeremy had been the murderer he would have known that the ballistics case presented at the trial was totally wrong: for example because the markings on the cartridges show two guns were used not one.
Yet Jeremy didn't have a clue about this, so the one gun theory went unchallenged.
I'm not interesting in continually going round in circles.
I was just having a nice friendly little chat with my mate Rocky.
Wont answer, or can't answer...?
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I just have no interest in discussing it with you. Make of it what you will.
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I just have no interest in discussing it with you. Make of it what you will.
Will you please explain why?
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I just have no interest in discussing it with you. Make of it what you will.
Hartley, I believe I've always been respectful you. I would be grateful if you would show me the same respect by replying to my question.
If you are sending me to Coventry - a fair assumption since you are refusing to reply to my reasonable questions? - would you do me the courtesy of telling me why?
If I have upset you, I would be grateful if you would tell me how I have done so. Thank you.
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I agree with whoever said the report was damning,but in fairness,Macdonell seems too have based his report on some kind of certainty that a silencer was used.With the silencer evidence now seriously undermined,surely this goes some way to disregarding his findings?
And also,he admitted to not having time to view all the evidence,especially the photographs.
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I re-read the report earlier.Macdonell definatley concludes that if a silencer was used,that Sheila could not have commited suicide and that she was murdered along with the others.
His report is based on his findings from blood stain patterning,but on viewing the photographs,most of the people on this forum have come to the same conclusion as Macdonell.It is not rocket science.
Macdonell definately also does state that he only studied a handful of photographs,mainly post mortem ones,and that he didnt study the evidence of other photographs,documents,ballistic reporets etc.
I am not surprised that JB dispensed with his services!
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Thanks Tyler. It seems that scientific reports from both sides have been hampered by there having been a false case and limited evidence made available, imo. The withholding of evidence has neither helped the family 'get on with their lives' nor Jeremy's fight to clear his name.