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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Kaldin on February 01, 2020, 11:07:AM

Title: Evasive?
Post by: Kaldin on February 01, 2020, 11:07:AM
I've read about some people who say they used to write to Jeremy and receive letters from him, but they said that he became evasive at certain questions, and that led them to be suspicious or it convinced them that he was guilty.

What kind of thing are they talking about? Is it stuff like - how he thought the silencer got blood on it, or how it ended up in the gun cupboard?

Is it personal stuff about his life or his feelings?

If it's the latter, isn't it natural that he would be evasive? After all, several of his letters have turned up in public, so those who received them obviously don't think they should be private.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Roch on February 01, 2020, 11:24:AM
I've read about some people who say they used to write to Jeremy and receive letters from him, but they said that he became evasive at certain questions, and that led them to be suspicious or it convinced them that he was guilty.

What kind of thing are they talking about? Is it stuff like - how he thought the silencer got blood on it, or how it ended up in the gun cupboard?

Is it personal stuff about his life or his feelings?

If it's the latter, isn't it natural that he would be evasive? After all, several of his letters have turned up in public, so those who received them obviously don't think they should be private.

I can think of a few reasons why an innocent Jeremy would be evasive.  You have to try and put your self in his shoes.

If he feels he is pre-empting his legal process.
If he feels the person writing to him is treating him like he's guilty (that would really annoy me, if I knew I was innocent).
If he feels he's had his fingers burned in the past and too much as found its way online.
If he feels he's inadvertently helping the police to prepare a counter argument.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Jan on February 01, 2020, 11:47:AM
Well some things if he is innocent he simply does not know ?

I wrote to him about the writing that mike claimed was by Sheila as I said before we spent ages trying to decipher what it meant.

He just said , not angrily , it was written by a psychic and mike knew that , and thanked us for our time on trying.

He seemed polite , matter of fact and nothing more than that really .
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: David1819 on February 01, 2020, 12:09:PM
I've read about some people who say they used to write to Jeremy and receive letters from him, but they said that he became evasive at certain questions, and that led them to be suspicious or it convinced them that he was guilty.

What kind of thing are they talking about? Is it stuff like - how he thought the silencer got blood on it, or how it ended up in the gun cupboard?

Is it personal stuff about his life or his feelings?

If it's the latter, isn't it natural that he would be evasive? After all, several of his letters have turned up in public, so those who received them obviously don't think they should be private.

You won’t get a straight answer. The one making this claim is very evasive about it  ;)
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: lookout on February 01, 2020, 12:24:PM
Well some things if he is innocent he simply does not know ?

I wrote to him about the writing that mike claimed was by Sheila as I said before we spent ages trying to decipher what it meant.

He just said , not angrily , it was written by a psychic and mike knew that , and thanked us for our time on trying.

He seemed polite , matter of fact and nothing more than that really .






He's always polite Jan and very grateful that someone bothers to write, or send him cards.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 01, 2020, 12:54:PM
I've read about some people who say they used to write to Jeremy and receive letters from him, but they said that he became evasive at certain questions, and that led them to be suspicious or it convinced them that he was guilty.

What kind of thing are they talking about? Is it stuff like - how he thought the silencer got blood on it, or how it ended up in the gun cupboard?

Is it personal stuff about his life or his feelings?

If it's the latter, isn't it natural that he would be evasive? After all, several of his letters have turned up in public, so those who received them obviously don't think they should be private.



Never asked about his feelings. Personally, I only asked him about the case.

Why didn't you dial 999?
Did you try to sell pictures of Sheila?
How did you know how much was in your dads wallet?

ETC!

Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 01, 2020, 12:55:PM
I can think of a few reasons why an innocent Jeremy would be evasive.  You have to try and put your self in his shoes.

If he feels he is pre-empting his legal process.
If he feels the person writing to him is treating him like he's guilty (that would really annoy me, if I knew I was innocent).
If he feels he's had his fingers burned in the past and too much as found its way online.
If he feels he's inadvertently helping the police to prepare a counter argument.

He's guilty and can't think of an excuse.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 01, 2020, 12:56:PM





He's always polite Jan and very grateful that someone bothers to write, or send him cards.

I thought Jan wrote to him already?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Roch on February 01, 2020, 12:58:PM
He's guilty and can't think of an excuse.

My post only related to an innocent Jeremy.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: lookout on February 01, 2020, 01:01:PM
I thought Jan wrote to him already?





I was just acknowledging Jan on how polite he was ?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 01, 2020, 01:02:PM
My post only related to an innocent Jeremy.

I know but mine wasn't.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: David1819 on February 01, 2020, 01:27:PM
The letters were once posted on here, but soon taken down. This so called evasiveness was exposed as a gross misrepresentation long ago.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Jan on February 01, 2020, 02:09:PM


Never asked about his feelings. Personally, I only asked him about the case.

Why didn't you dial 999?
Did you try to sell pictures of Sheila?
How did you know how much was in your dads wallet?

ETC!

1 was already answered in his statements so why would he say any different
3  I still don’t know why you think this is a pronblem , he was in business with his father , he knew on what days workers would be paid etc . He probably knew when he went to the bank and collected money due to him etc.
2. I only know a version he told an alleged friend of his and it’s been discussed an finetum on here .
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Jane on February 01, 2020, 02:26:PM
1 was already answered in his statements so why would he say any different
3  I still don’t know why you think this is a pronblem , he was in business with his father , he knew on what days workers would be paid etc . He probably knew when he went to the bank and collected money due to him etc.
2. I only know a version he told an alleged friend of his and it’s been discussed an finetum on here .



Every response from supporters -to detractors' experiences- is about alternative possibilities. Excuses? ie He might have................well, yes, he MIGHT................but there still -always- remains the probability that he DID.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 01, 2020, 02:30:PM
1 was already answered in his statements so why would he say any different
3  I still don’t know why you think this is a pronblem , he was in business with his father , he knew on what days workers would be paid etc . He probably knew when he went to the bank and collected money due to him etc.
2. I only know a version he told an alleged friend of his and it’s been discussed an finetum on here .

Not sure why you asked the question if you didn't want the answer or that you would decide to answer for him.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 01, 2020, 02:31:PM


Every response from supporters -to detractors' experiences- is about alternative possibilities. Excuses? ie He might have................well, yes, he MIGHT................but there still -always- remains the probability that he DID.

Exactly, why ask the question in the first place?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Roch on February 01, 2020, 02:34:PM
Not sure why you asked the question if you didn't want the answer or that you would decide to answer for him.

That's not Not Sure. It's Jan  :))
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: David1819 on February 01, 2020, 02:37:PM
The letters were once posted on here, but soon taken down. This so called evasiveness was exposed as a gross misrepresentation long ago.

Here is the alleged smoking gun -


"22/4/13         JEREMY BAMBER
                         A5352AC
                         HM FULL SUTTON
                         YORK
                         YO411PS

DEAR CAROLINE
I THOUGHT THAT ID ANSWERED
YOUR LAST LETTER, BUT MAY
BE NOT - I GET A BIT
MUDDLED SOMETIMES AS
I GET LOADS OF MAIL WHEN
THAT SKY TV PROGS ON AND
I DON'T KNOW QUITE WHAT
I'M DOING. I KNOW YOU
ASKED ME A PARTICULAR
QUESTION - I CANT RECALL
WHAT IT WAS NOW - I KNOW
THE ANSWER WAS NO OR
ITS NOT TRUE."
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Jane on February 01, 2020, 02:38:PM
That's not Not Sure. It's Jan  :))


Groaaan ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Kaldin on February 01, 2020, 02:49:PM
Any examples of Jeremy being evasive then? I think that Carol Lee also said something along those lines.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Kaldin on February 01, 2020, 03:01:PM

They already have, but you're choosing to ignore it.

No they haven't, and your mate trolled the thread. l

If he was evasive, I think it was because people asked him personal stuff and he knew that they would probably put his letters all over the internet or in a book, so he didn't want to address the questions.

Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Jane on February 01, 2020, 03:10:PM
No they haven't, and your mate trolled the thread. l

If he was evasive, I think it was because people asked him personal stuff and he knew that they would probably put his letters all over the internet or in a book, so he didn't want to address the questions.


None of which means, IF you're correct, that he wasn't evasive. THAT was the claim, NOT why that might have been. The reasons for which may be legion.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Kaldin on February 01, 2020, 03:15:PM
Are we all agreed then that being evasive in a letter isn't a sign of guilt?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: David1819 on February 01, 2020, 03:21:PM
Are we all agreed then that being evasive in a letter isn't a sign of guilt?

Depends how much crack the recipient has smoked.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Kaldin on February 01, 2020, 03:24:PM
Depends how much crack the recipient has smoked.

 ;D
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Kaldin on February 01, 2020, 03:24:PM
I think sami is being evasive ...   ;D
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: sami on February 01, 2020, 03:25:PM
 :)) :))
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Jan on February 01, 2020, 04:38:PM
Are we all agreed then that being evasive in a letter isn't a sign of guilt?

There are quite a lot of his letters being shown on social media at the moment . Not sure how I feel about that , but I guess it’s a risk he takes when he writes to people . But I did not see any evasive ones .

Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 01, 2020, 04:54:PM
There are quite a lot of his letters being shown on social media at the moment . Not sure how I feel about that , but I guess it’s a risk he takes when he writes to people . But I did not see any evasive ones .

How do you know what questions were asked and ignored?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: David1819 on February 01, 2020, 05:40:PM
No I didn't. I was hoping for a decent discussion, but sami trolled the thread and got nasty, so now I can't be bothered.

You obviously didn’t realise that these “evasive” letters are widely seen as a joke. They tell us nothing about the sender, but a lot about the recipient.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: sami on February 01, 2020, 05:44:PM
You obviously didn’t realise that that these “evasive” letters are widely seen as a joke. They tell us nothing about the sender, but a lot about the recipient.
most people already know enough about the sender
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: lookout on February 01, 2020, 05:46:PM
most people already know enough about the sender






But not the recipient, eh ??
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: sami on February 01, 2020, 05:50:PM





But not the recipient, eh ??
so you want to know about the recipient and david the sender.you want info on both now :)) :))
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: lookout on February 01, 2020, 05:56:PM
so you want to know about the recipient and david the sender.you want info on both now :)) :))





David doesn't write to him.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: sami on February 01, 2020, 06:01:PM




David doesn't write to him.
you do ,so take a list from david and ask jb all he wants.thats the best way
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 01, 2020, 06:38:PM
You obviously didn’t realise that that these “evasive” letters are widely seen as a joke. They tell us nothing about the sender, but a lot about the recipient.

I seriously hope you are not referring to me?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Jan on February 01, 2020, 08:13:PM
How do you know what questions were asked and ignored?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 01, 2020, 08:18:PM
How do you know what questions were asked and ignored?

?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: guest7363 on February 02, 2020, 10:42:AM
?
There is a big difference Caroline writing to a murderer and wanting answers to questions, as apposed to writing letters to wear as a Bamber badge.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: sami on February 02, 2020, 10:53:AM
There is a big difference Caroline writing to a murderer and wanting answers to questions, as apposed to writing letters to wear as a Bamber badge.
nicely put rj.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: lookout on February 02, 2020, 10:59:AM
There is a big difference Caroline writing to a murderer and wanting answers to questions, as apposed to writing letters to wear as a Bamber badge.





Same address though.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: sami on February 02, 2020, 11:13:AM




Same address though.
is the donation address the same or does i have to contribute to the ct,s begging bowl
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: lookout on February 02, 2020, 11:17:AM
is the donation address the same or does i have to contribute to the ct,s begging bowl





It'll be a Box number won't it  ::)?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Adam on February 02, 2020, 11:24:AM
Bamber is a busy man. He will get lots of mail. So may not answer some questions in the way some people like.

More importantly he was very evasive in his police interviews. And became more evasive during his testimony.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Adam on February 02, 2020, 11:37:AM
I was hopeing David would be able to keep the forum informed  straight from Bamber's mouth/letters.

But it seems they lost contact straight after David sent him his forensic evidence breakthrough.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 02, 2020, 11:43:AM




It'll be a Box number won't it  ::)?

No, it's not a box number, I thought you wrote to him?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 02, 2020, 11:46:AM
is the donation address the same or does i have to contribute to the ct,s begging bowl

Jeremy Bamber, A5352AC, HMP Wakefield, 5 Love Lane, Wakefield, W. Yorks, WF2 9AG.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 02, 2020, 11:47:AM
is the donation address the same or does i have to contribute to the ct,s begging bowl

I thought you just contributed online?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: lookout on February 02, 2020, 12:06:PM
No, it's not a box number, I thought you wrote to him?





The CT  ::)
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: Caroline on February 02, 2020, 12:11:PM




The CT  ::)

RJ was talking about me writing to Jeremy and you said “same address though”. Same address as what?
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: JackieD on February 02, 2020, 12:13:PM
Are we all agreed then that being evasive in a letter isn't a sign of guilt?


Absolutely
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: lookout on February 02, 2020, 12:15:PM
Of course it isn't a sign of guilt. Prattling on about nothing is more likely to be.
Title: Re: Evasive?
Post by: sami on February 02, 2020, 01:17:PM
I thought you just contributed online?
yes i tried but my debit card was not accepted.will pop something in the post for him to but some phone cards :)) :))