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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Caroline on November 14, 2019, 03:39:PM
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Thanks Caroline, it’s the same as on here isn’t it?
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Thanks Caroline, it’s the same as on here isn’t it?
I have been meaning to upload this for a while. We do have the statement, but it's handwritten and hard to read. Hartley translated some of it but it's good to have the original. I will link it in the archives.
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I have been meaning to upload this for a while. We do have the statement, but it's handwritten and hard to read. Hartley translated some of it but it's good to have the original. I will link it in the archives.
Mike uploaded this typed version back 2011 :-\
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1932.msg59875.html#msg59875 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1932.msg59875.html#msg59875)
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Mike uploaded this typed version back 2011 :-\
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1932.msg59875.html#msg59875 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1932.msg59875.html#msg59875)
Unless it's in the archives, it's not easy to find - now it's in the archives!
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I've read it Caroline before. Thanks
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Ok I will start, Julie arrives at Jeremy's she's armed with the knowledge that he's responsible for the deaths of five family members. The police let Julie and Jeremy have a quiet moment together where Julie states that during embrace Jeremy Bamber gives an evil cackle and states " i should have been an actor". Clearly according to Julie, relishing what he has done. With that information, and with members of Essex CID in the next room. She makes no attempt to drop Bamber in it
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Ladies, what would you feel like in a embrace with someone. Clearly referencing his ability to fool police, and also knowing that some hours previously he had murdered two little boys????
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Even Sue battersby could not understand Julie keeping quiet over the events. What troubles me is that Julie still wanted to know if Bamber loved her? Why would she want to be within a thousand miles of the creep if she knew he was a killer. The whole thing seems very scripted. I don't personally know wwhose agenda it was either
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Even Sue battersby could not understand Julie keeping quiet over the events. What troubles me is that Julie still wanted to know if Bamber loved her? Why would she want to be within a thousand miles of the creep if she knew he was a killer. The whole thing seems very scripted. I don't personally know wwhose agenda it was either
Good gracious! After such strident and vociferous posts, you're actually admitting to not knowing something!!
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Good gracious! After such strident and vociferous posts, you're actually admitting to not knowing something!!
as I have always stated, all avenues are possible. You just are too ignorant to realize my personal perspective
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That's tellin' ya Jane :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
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That's tellin' ya Jane :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
the kind of childish reply that stifles sensible debate.
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as I have always stated, all avenues are possible. You just are too ignorant to realize my personal perspective
As you've never made any attempt to say what IS your personal perspective, I can only guage it by how you write. What you claim is at variance with the words you post. For someone who has come, only very recently to the forum, you've thus far conducted yourself with the ignorance you accuse me of with more than a touch of condescension -I reference the introduction you were asked to make- all under the guise of having open minded interest in the case whilst displaying what appear to be strongly held beliefs. It seems to be more about no through roads than avenues.
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That's tellin' ya Jane :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Indeed so, Lookout, I can barely cope ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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As you've never made any attempt to say what IS your personal perspective, I can only guage it by how you write. What you claim is at variance with the words you post. For someone who has come, only very recently to the forum, you've thus far conducted yourself with the ignorance you accuse me of with more than a touch of condescension -I reference the introduction you were asked to make- all under the guise of having open minded interest in the case whilst displaying what appear to be strongly held beliefs. It seems to be more about no through roads than avenues.
I made an introduction in the foyer. You can clearly find it
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Indeed so, Lookout, I can barely cope ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just for clarification, snide remarks does not enhance your argument in any shape or form
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I made an introduction in the foyer. You can clearly find it
I saw it. How else could I have commented on it?
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Even Sue battersby could not understand Julie keeping quiet over the events. What troubles me is that Julie still wanted to know if Bamber loved her? Why would she want to be within a thousand miles of the creep if she knew he was a killer. The whole thing seems very scripted. I don't personally know wwhose agenda it was either
Yes. She asked Jeremy if he still loved her on 31st August, and he said he didn't know. She begged him to stay that night.
She next spoke to him on the phone on 3rd September, although I don't know who phoned the other. He was at Sheila's flat at the time, and she turned up there on 4th September. I don't know if that was an arranged meeting or not, but she waited a long time for him to arrive. They went to a cafe across the road - Julie wanted to discuss their relationship, but Jeremy said it was already sorted - he wanted out. They went back to Sheila's flat, and that's when Julie heard Jeremy on the phone to Virginia. Julie was very angry and there was a bit of a fight.
On 6th September, Jeremy helped Julie move her stuff to the new flat/house. On 7th or 8th September, Julie went to the police.
I don't think she would have gone to the police if she thought there was a chance she could hold on to Jeremy. I wonder what happened on 6th September to make her realise he wasn't coming back.
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I saw it. How else could I have commented on it?
evidently Holmes, so why did the question need be asked?
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I made an introduction in the foyer. You can clearly find it
Why did you need to make the above comment when I'd clearly found it?
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Why did you need to make the above comment when I'd clearly found it?
why did the question needed to be ask. I've told you before. I neither am a confirmed guilter or a champion of Bambers innocence
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why did the question needed to be ask. I've told you before. I neither am a confirmed guilter or a champion of Bambers innocence
As I said, what you claim is at variance with what you post. It might be easier to believe when you refrain from championing his innocence
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Yes. She asked Jeremy if he still loved her on 31st August, and he said he didn't know. She begged him to stay that night.
She next spoke to him on the phone on 3rd September, although I don't know who phoned the other. He was at Sheila's flat at the time, and she turned up there on 4th September. I don't know if that was an arranged meeting or not, but she waited a long time for him to arrive. They went to a cafe across the road - Julie wanted to discuss their relationship, but Jeremy said it was already sorted - he wanted out. They went back to Sheila's flat, and that's when Julie heard Jeremy on the phone to Virginia. Julie was very angry and there was a bit of a fight.
On 6th September, Jeremy helped Julie move her stuff to the new flat/house. On 7th or 8th September, Julie went to the police.
I don't think she would have gone to the police if she thought there was a chance she could hold on to Jeremy. I wonder what happened on 6th September to make her realise he wasn't coming back.
this is what I mean kaldin. " Meeting him in a cafe to discuss our relationship" you would think it is a scenario where your boyfriend has been caught kissing another woman, not mudering five members of his family. " Helping him move items" the whole thing sounds so Darby and Jane. Why was she not breaking down , confiding in Mary mugford etc. How was she able to carry on with the burden weighing heavily on her neck. More importantly, why was she still pining for someone who she knew to be a child killer? And there was no control aspect about it. Before someone pipes up with that one
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As I said, what you claim is at variance with what you post. It might be easier to believe when you refrain from championing his innocence
how is picking holes in what Julie mugford said clearly championing the evidence of Jeremy?
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Julie spoke to Liz Rimmington, Andy Bishop, Karen Bishop, Malcolm Walters and Susan Battersby prior to approaching the police.
These people encouraged her to go to the police. Which she did do.
She was clearly steeling herself to approach the police although Bamber had tried to keep a tight reign on her from the moment he rang her at 3am.
There is no way she could tell those people & then not tell the police.
She needed & got reassurance from those friends.
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this is what I mean kaldin. " Meeting him in a cafe to discuss our relationship" you would think it is a scenario where your boyfriend has been caught kissing another woman, not mudering five members of his family. " Helping him move items" the whole thing sounds so Darby and Jane. Why was she not breaking down , confiding in Mary mugford etc. How was she able to carry on with the burden weighing heavily on her neck. More importantly, why was she still pining for someone who she knew to be a child killer? And there was no control aspect about it. Before someone pipes up with that one
Yes, I agree. There's no doubt in my mind that she really didn't want to break up with him, and she tried to keep him. To my mind, she didn't care about the dead people and how some of them suffered.
IMO, when someone is dumped, they often cling on to the hope that the person will come back, especially if they promised to help with moving furniture or whatever. Julie must have decided on 7th or 8th September that he wasn't coming back, and there was no hope. Even then, I'm surprised she didn't wait longer. That's why I think something happened on 6th September.
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Julie spoke to Liz Rimmington, Andy Bishop, Karen Bishop, Malcolm Walters and Susan Battersby prior to approaching the police.
These people encouraged her to go to the police. Which she did do.
She was clearly steeling herself to approach the police although Bamber had tried to keep a tight reign on her from the moment he rang her at 3am.
There is no way she could tell those people & then not tell the police.
She needed & got reassurance from those friends.
She clearly had no intention of going to the police though - she was intent on keeping hold of Jeremy.
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She clearly had no intention of going to the police though - she was intent on keeping hold of Jeremy.
Not sure why she would start talking to other people if that was the case.
Think she would have preferred an early night & a good nights sleep in Lewisham, prior to work. Rather than Bamber ringing her 3 times in 7 hours.
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Julie spoke to Liz Rimmington, Andy Bishop, Karen Bishop, Malcolm Walters and Susan Battersby prior to approaching the police.
These people encouraged her to go to the police. Which she did do.
She was clearly steeling herself to approach the police although Bamber had tried to keep a tight reign on her from the moment he rang her at 3am.
There is no way she could tell those people & then not tell the police.
She needed & got reassurance from those friends.
tight reign? Seems more like to me Bamber was more interested in company with Brett Collins and appeared to be fazing out his relationship with Julie. In the later stages to me it almost feels like Julie is just " tagging along with them" hardly is it a scenario where Bamber is controlling her every aspect. Seems to me he wasn't even that bothered about her anymore
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Not sure why she would start talking to other people if that was the case.
Think she would have preferred an early night & a good nights sleep in Lewisham, prior to work. Rather than Bamber ringing her 3 times in 7 hours.
Nevertheless, she didn't want to break up with Jeremy - that much is clear. She didn't want him to be arrested until 7th or 8th September.
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how is picking holes in what Julie mugford said clearly championing the evidence of Jeremy?
That's only in this thread. Unless I've missed it, I don't recall reading anything which suggests you believe he might be guilty. It has all, as I've interpreted it, been in his defence, through attacks on others.
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I hasten to add if Bamber was guilty it would be a stupid thing to do to dump her. Because going by what she had said he had told her. Bamber knew she could drop him in the shit. So you'd have expected him to be controlling her every step of the way. When it clearly appears he wasnt
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tight reign? Seems more like to me Bamber was more interested in company with Brett Collins and appeared to be fazing out his relationship with Julie. In the later stages to me it almost feels like Julie is just " tagging along with them" hardly is it a scenario where Bamber is controlling her every aspect. Seems to me he wasn't even that bothered about her anymore
Yes. That's why she asked him if he still loved her on 31st August.
Imagine the scenario. She feels him drifting away, so she asks him if he still loves her, and he says he doesn't know. She has that sinking feeling, and begs him not to leave her.
A couple of days later she either arranges to meet him at Sheila's flat or just turns up there. She doesn't know what kind of reception she'll get. He agrees to go to a cafe with her, so she has new hope. That is dashed when he makes it clear that he wants out. However, she has new hope again because he says he'll help her with moving her stuff from the flat.
He turns up on 6th to help her move - of course she's going to think that maybe there's hope for them again. What then happened to make her either give up hope or decide that she was going to ensure they broke up by grassing him up?
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Nevertheless, she didn't want to break up with Jeremy - that much is clear. She didn't want him to be arrested until 7th or 8th September.
So there may have been some vindictiveness in her coming forward and anger that she was willing to keep his secret and he dumped her. That doesn't make Bamber innocent or her story any the less true.
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Yes, I agree. There's no doubt in my mind that she really didn't want to break up with him, and she tried to keep him. To my mind, she didn't care about the dead people and how some of them suffered.
IMO, when someone is dumped, they often cling on to the hope that the person will come back, especially if they promised to help with moving furniture or whatever. Julie must have decided on 7th or 8th September that he wasn't coming back, and there was no hope. Even then, I'm surprised she didn't wait longer. That's why I think something happened on 6th September.
Much like Sheila when Colin was dropping off herself and the twins at WHF sadly for the last time that Sheila had convinced herself that Colin would agree to a reconciliation, but it wasn't to be and instead all Hell was let loose.
The biggest reasons for murders to be committed are break-ups in marriages/relationships and heated arguments over who has the children. Other than murder, it's revenge by one or both parties.
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I hasten to add if Bamber was guilty it would be a stupid thing to do to dump her. Because going by what she had said he had told her. Bamber knew she could drop him in the shit. So you'd have expected him to be controlling her every step of the way. When it clearly appears he wasnt
Unless he thought of her as an accomplice or accessory, in which case he wouldn't think she might go to the police and drop herself in it.
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I hasten to add if Bamber was guilty it would be a stupid thing to do to dump her. Because going by what she had said he had told her. Bamber knew she could drop him in the shit. So you'd have expected him to be controlling her every step of the way. When it clearly appears he wasnt
Stupid maybe, but no one said a killer didn't do stupid things. Invariably, that's how they get caught.
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So there may have been some vindictiveness in her coming forward and anger that she was willing to keep his secret and he dumped her. That doesn't make Bamber innocent or her story any the less true.
Agreed. It merely raises questions about her character and the probability that she's telling the truth.
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Agreed. It merely raises questions about her character and the probability that she's telling the truth.
Lets just say - I don't think she told the 'whole' truth but I don't believe she made Bambers involvement up either.
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Too many problems in Julie trying to frame an innocent man -
There was no evidence against Bamber. He was innocent.
She would be charged by the police. When caught lying. Bamber was innocent.
Having a criminal record may effect her teaching career.
To make Bamber look bad, she had to implicate herself in the caravan break in. Effecting her teaching career ?
Her own 1984 crime may come to light. Effecting her teaching career ?
There was no financial reward in approaching the police.
It shows she was upset about splitting up with Bamber.
She would be on her own. No other witnesses could support her claims. Bamber was innocent.
Bamber would have the last laugh. When Julie was exposed.
She would have to follow through her approach. Right through to the ultimate (unlikely) conviction. Lying to the world.
It would show she was vindictive. Once exposed.
She may quickly wilt under pressure. This is something she had never attempted before, and a massive long term lie. So why bother in the first place ?
It would show she had no sympathy for a grieving man. Once exposed.
It would show how upset she was that she was no longer with Bamber. Once exposed.
It would show she was stupid. Once exposed.
An approach may ultimately be time consuming. Depending on her success. Taking up months or years of her life. Effecting her second degree and teaching career.
It would be her word against Bamber's. For the last month the police had treated it as murder/suicide, which was correct as she knew he was innocent.
She will not know the details of the forensic evidence. It may show Sheila was the killer. Which would not be surprising as Bamber was innocent.
It would be bringing other people into this, such the deceased grieving relatives and her own friends and relatives.
She may feel bad after her initial approach. But is coming clean now an option ?
She had already given a WS and gone around with Bamber for one month. The police will know she had approached them after she split with Bamber.
She was attempting to reverse a decision announced in the media, which the police were in public sticking to - murder/suicide. One month after the massacre.
Her approach may only last a few minutes. Experienced police officers may dismiss it, after all Bamber was innocent. Bamber may not even find out about Julie's attempt for revenge.
If an unsuccessful police approach became news in the media, she would forever be looked upon as a heartless and lying woman. Friends and relatives may desert her.
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I think JM has known all along that JB is innocent.
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A 21 year woman making a loan attempt to frame an innocent man. Of murdering his family !
And being successful !
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Unless he thought of her as an accomplice or accessory, in which case he wouldn't think she might go to the police and drop herself in it.
she was no accessory kaldin. And it Jeremy if guilty would have known that to well. And I think Julie did too. Bamber would know he would have to cater to Julie's every whim and beckon call if the police had always accepted the initial story. He would have been on knife edge, you would expected him to be at her side constantly, taking close interest. When in reality it appears the exact opposite took place
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she was no accessory kaldin. And it Jeremy if guilty would have known that to well. And I think Julie did too. Bamber would know he would have to cater to Julie's every whim and beckon call if the police had always accepted the initial story. He would have been on knife edge, you would expected him to be at her side constantly, taking close interest. When in reality it appears the exact opposite took place
You are aware of the note he sent her after his arrest?
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There was evidence against Jeremy in the form of the silencer. Did Julie know about that before she went to the police?
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There was evidence against Jeremy in the form of the silencer. Did Julie know about that before she went to the police?
No.
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There was evidence against Jeremy in the form of the silencer. Did Julie know about that before she went to the police?
There is a mountain of evidence againsr Bamber.
All Bamber told her was he was watertight & it was an open & shut case.
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she was no accessory kaldin. And it Jeremy if guilty would have known that to well. And I think Julie did too. Bamber would know he would have to cater to Julie's every whim and beckon call if the police had always accepted the initial story. He would have been on knife edge, you would expected him to be at her side constantly, taking close interest. When in reality it appears the exact opposite took place
I'm not saying she was an accessory, but Jeremy might have thought of her that way. According to her, he had often spoken about killing his family, and she did nothing to dissuade him, so he might have interpreted that as her going along with it. She covered up for him afterwards, and lied by omission in her first statement. She could have been charged with assisting an offender at least, so he might have thought he was safe even if he dumped her.
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She wasn't alone though was she ? She was drip-fed by S.Jones telling her what he wanted her to know but not necessarily what she'd wanted to do. It was the promise of the pot of gold at the end of it that clinched the deal between EP and herself.
What do you suppose would have happened had there been no money ?
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There is a mountain of evidence againsr Bamber.
All Bamber told her was he was watertight & it was an open & shut case.
I'm referring to this part of your own post:
Too many problems in Julie trying to frame an innocent man -
There was no evidence against Bamber. He was innocent.
There was evidence though. The question is - did Julie know about it?
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You are aware of the note he sent her after his arrest?
the " love you stinker" one
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There is a mountain of evidence againsr Bamber.
All Bamber told her was he was watertight & it was an open & shut case.
actually it equates to a silencer and a jilted girlfriend by the way I'm not pro Jeremy Bamber innocence
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the " love you stinker" one
Yes, your ex girlfriend has just got you arrested for the murder of your recently dead family; would you send this note?
" Hi Darling, Hope this gets to you from Stalag 13. Thinking about you. Sorry we're splitting up. I love you Stinker"
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Yes, your ex girlfriend has just got you arrested for the murder of your recently dead family; would you send this note?
" Hi Darling, Hope this gets to you from Stalag 13. Thinking about you. Sorry we're splitting up. I love you Stinker"
Yes, if he thought she might retract her statement.
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Yes, your ex girlfriend has just got you arrested for the murder of your recently dead family; would you send this note?
" Hi Darling, Hope this gets to you from Stalag 13. Thinking about you. Sorry we're splitting up. I love you Stinker"
the letter reeks of sarcasm from Bamber. You'd be a fool to think otherwise
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the letter reeks of sarcasm from Bamber. You'd be a fool to think otherwise
I can read the sarcasm - so why send such a letter? It's going to make her worse, sounds like he's mocking her and rubbing it in that they split up. Last thing on my mind would be to get one over on her if I were facing those charges.
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I can read the sarcasm - so why send such a letter? It's going to make her worse, sounds like he's mocking her and rubbing it in that they split up. Last thing on my mind would be to get one over on her if I were facing those charges.
"Sorry we're splitting up"? Surely, as a couple, they'd already split up? It sounds as if he's making a joke of the whole thing. Did she really refer to him as "Stinker" or, was it what he was calling her?
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"Sorry we're splitting up"? Surely, as a couple, they'd already split up? It sounds as if he's making a joke of the whole thing. Did she really refer to him as "Stinker" or, was it what he was calling her?
I agree, it's an odd note! I think she called him 'Stinker'. e said he write it in the hope that she was take everything back but reading it, it sounds like he's taking the piss.
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I can read the sarcasm - so why send such a letter? It's going to make her worse, sounds like he's mocking her and rubbing it in that they split up. Last thing on my mind would be to get one over on her if I were facing those charges.
if was innocent and being wrongly accused, maybe he thought entitled to do so. After all what would he have to fear. All in all its just a note of sarcasm venting. It amounts to fuck all really
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actually it equates to a silencer and a jilted girlfriend by the way I'm not pro Jeremy Bamber innocence
I have already given you the forensic evidence. There is too much circumstantial evidence to list.
But appreciate supporters will focus on one thing.
Did you not want to give your explanation on how Sheila committed the massacre?
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if was innocent and being wrongly accused, maybe he thought entitled to do so. All in all its just a note of sarcasm venting. It amounts to fuck all really
All things on their own might amount to 'fuck all' it's when you start to add them up that 'fuck all' become fucking suspicious.
By the way, we're not supposed to be f'in and jeff'in ;)
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I have already given you the forensic evidence. There is too much circumstantial evidence to list.
But appreciate supporters will focus on one thing.
Did you not want to give your explanation on how Sheila committed the massacre?
how well did you know Shelia before 1985 Adam?
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how well did you know Shelia before 1985 Adam?
Not as well as Lookout ;)
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Not as well as Lookout ;)
divulge...
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divulge...
I was being sarcastic, it's just the way she writes ;D ;D
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I have already given you the forensic evidence. There is too much circumstantial evidence to list.
But appreciate supporters will focus on one thing.
Did you not want to give your explanation on how Sheila committed the massacre?
you have given me opinions
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you have given me opinions
They all had sources.
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Not as well as Lookout ;)
Hey, that'll do. ;D
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Hey, that'll do. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D