Jeremy Bamber Forum

    Hamas and Israel are not the same, nugs. Israel didn't put Hamas in power, they were voted in by Gazans. Israel are happy with this arrangement because it gives them cover for their atrocities. The notion that Hamas are somehow agents of Israel has no basis in reality. It is just spin and misrepresentation. The Palestinian Authority(PA) which runs the West Bank and their leader, Mahmood Abbas, are the "pet" Palestinians of the Israelis and western powers who back them. The latest "plan" is to somehow give control of Gaza to the PA. Misrepresented and out of context "facts" about Hamas are belied by on the ground reality.
     Ask yourself, nugs. Who do you think Israel and western powers would rather be governing Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas or PA? Answer this and you have your answer to the, "are Hamas agents of Israel?" question.

oh yes they di isreal funded them they funded there election campaghn  and as for elected  they were elected 20 years ago and there have been no elections since

i belie hamas are one and the same isreal put hamas in power

    Hamas and Israel are not the same, nugs. Israel didn't put Hamas in power, they were voted in by Gazans. Israel are happy with this arrangement because it gives them cover for their atrocities. The notion that Hamas are somehow agents of Israel has no basis in reality. It is just spin and misrepresentation. The Palestinian Authority(PA) which runs the West Bank and their leader, Mahmood Abbas, are the "pet" Palestinians of the Israelis and western powers who back them. The latest "plan" is to somehow give control of Gaza to the PA. Misrepresented and out of context "facts" about Hamas are belied by on the ground reality.
     Ask yourself, nugs. Who do you think Israel and western powers would rather be governing Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas or PA? Answer this and you have your answer to the, "are Hamas agents of Israel?" question.

He could have gone to Italy. There was a murder in Italy 71 days before Jody which has been attributed to him. The police switched their attention from him to HB's ex. It is clear he was very good at creating an Alibi. Look at the crafty way he forged his work records for the HB case. I believe he said he was going to Italy and went. He then flew from Italy to Edinburgh for example and then planned and executed Jodie's murder before retuning to Italy and then returning home. In doing this he had created an Alibi for his whereabouts and executed a murder that only the true killer of HB would know of the MO. This if the similarities were discovered would further diminish the police interest in him for the HB murder.

There has not been another case anywhere in the UK since Jodie’s murder which has remotely the same MO. I have no doubt that there may well have been folk who might have wanted her dead for a variety of reasons who lived local but the nature and the scale screams deranged individual. Even if the killer was trying to make it look maniacal it was asking a lot to go that far especially for a one off. I do not need to tell you the local reactions and the police’s handling of the case.

Therefore the question becomes if not Luke then who?

I believe there is a possibility that Restivo was playing games and Jodie’s murder may have been a deliberate attempt to confuse police. He used an MO that only the HB killer would know. Unfortunately the connection, for whatever reason was not made maybe due to jurisdiction or the rain removing some of the unique identifiers associated with the HB case. It is likely that he had constructed an alibi that would almost conclusively rule him out and by using Scotland he was putting it out of his territory. Later if needed he could cite Jodie’s killing as evidence of a similar crime that could not be him and this suggested a lone deranged killer had killed her and HB. Further if he killed her elsewhere in the woods he could then have a second bite of the cherry later. Launching a second phony attack and staging her on a path where others had walked and had seen nothing. It would allow him to create a purely Scottish alibi and changes in clothing would further muddy the waters. Such a local alibi would be required if they ever had evidence he had visited Scotland.

The killer was likely to be wearing gloves and it is likely that they had through contact picked up male DNA partials from a variety of sources. This might have been accidental or deliberate on the killer’s part. They were then transferred to Jodie.

Advances in DNA profiling led in part to Restivo’s conviction and formed part of the evidence against him. New developments in testing allowed them to get a match chance of 1 in 57000. I cannot find the name of the new test (Senc5?) but it was conducted in 2008 on a green towel, which had long been an exhibit. He said he had used this towel to indicate the colour of the curtains HB was to make to explain his DNA. Surely it could be argued that fresh testing of key exhibits in Luke’s case might yield new DNA evidence and possibly identify the four partials more extensively. This argument could be used mentioning the Restivo case as an example/reason but without suggesting his involvement. Others might see the possible connection and spark debate.

Where was Restivo

Reports by police in newspapers suggest that he was under surveillance of some kind even before the close surveillance was instituted. Though a person of interest they moved the focus of investigation to concentrate on HB’s ex. “It meant at times we had to have him under surveillance 24 hours a day and we have to ensure we had him under control.” Former Detective Superintendent Phil James was head of the Major Crime Team from 2002-2007 before he retired. Clearly without access to the case file getting precise dates would be extremely difficult if not impossible and if they did cockup they would hardly be specific enough in memoirs or interviews as to the dates he was or was not under close watch. It is stated by police that he remained in the area but they do not say if he went away for any reason and for how long. I doubt he was being watched during the first half of 2003 because the focus shifted and the HB murder was in the run up to Christmas and New Year and time would be used creating teams, victim support, processing exhibits etc.

I think Dorset police might have cocked up in watching him. They are relatively small rural force and in summer resources are required for local events and the influx of tourists. Even they say the HB murder was their biggest crime ever. It could be that the penny finally dropped and they made the connection but said nothing. The most likely time for this might have been the beginning of March 2004 when they say 24/7 was in place. What was in the news about Luke at this time? When was he in court?

Indeed it is possible that Restivo ‘clocked them watching him at some point. He had been questioned extensively and may have felt the need to do something to ease his paranoia. He could have found a tracker which stimulated his game playing tendencies.’ Catch me if you can’. They may even have had to drop him for a while because he was showing very normal behavior. It is also possible that resources for such an operation in this area were scarce and 24/7/365 was not on. If he knew when they were watching him he could also know when they were not. It is also possible that they never made the connection because of the direction the case took in Scotland.

Newspaper report

Detectives knew they needed more and, in 2008, DNA samples were taken from a blood-stained green towel found in Mrs. Barnett's flat.
Police believed the killer used it to wipe blood off himself. Initially, only Mrs. Barnett's blood was found but another test found the DNA of another person and the match was linked to Restivo.
Crucially, when asked about the towel he said he had never seen it before and would not answer how his DNA was on it. Later he said the towel was his and that he had taken it to Mrs. Barnett's to use as a colour match for the curtains. He said he did not say this before because he had memory lapses.
 
My view

This you may say is ‘Unicorn’ or magical thinking even wild imaginings but any study of Restivo’s behaviour from his early days; during the disappearance of AC in Potenza to the HB murder show he is more than capable of conceiving and executing such a plan and covering his tracks. Even later (2006?) when dragged in for cutting women’s hair in public places he confessed to being a hair fetishist. They even had video of him stalking women in long grass.

Wasn't there about ten male samples of unidentified bodily fluids found on/near Jodi?
Have you told Dr Lean about your theory Bubo? She may still read the forum anyway.
Who is Faithlilly? She seems to know everything there is to know about the case.

October the 7th is an event that needs meticulous breaking down in to exactly who did what and when and in what order. Hamas should be indighted for probable war crimes and crimes against humanity. Israel should be exposed for whatever they did on October 7th and whatever lies they have since told. 

Sadly, October 7th is also excuse for hard-line psychopaths to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing. There may be as many as 900 children with amputations as a result of the reprisals carried at the behest these psychopaths. Those children will need additional surgery and have a lot more emotional and physical suffering ahead of them throughout their lives. The reprisal mass slaughter is blot on humankind and human history, just like earlier mass slaughters in other conflicts.  It is a stain that will never wash off the name of Israel..

i belie hamas are one and the same isreal put hamas in power

October the 7th is an event that needs meticulous breaking down in to exactly who did what and when and in what order. Hamas should be indighted for probable war crimes and crimes against humanity. Israel should be exposed for whatever they did on October 7th and whatever lies they have since told. 

Sadly, October 7th is also excuse for hard-line psychopaths to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing. There may be as many as 900 children with amputations as a result of the reprisals carried at the behest these psychopaths. Those children will need additional surgery and have a lot more emotional and physical suffering ahead of them throughout their lives. The reprisal mass slaughter is blot on humankind and human history, just like earlier mass slaughters in other conflicts.  It is a stain that will never wash off the name of Israel..

    Goons like Piers Moron and others in MSM have tried this "both sides to blame" tactic. There should be no "both sides to blame" bullshit in this, and to fall for this you need to ignore 75+ years of ongoing slaughter, ethnic cleansing, land theft and evictions by "settlers" backed by the IDF. 75+ years of brutal crimes and humiliation.
     Hamas have the right in international law, recognised by all, to armed resistance. The IDF do not, as an occupying power, have the right to any of the ongoing crimes that they commit and have committed. There are no "both sides" to this. There are perpetrators and resistors. Only the perps need indicting.