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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: David1819 on October 15, 2019, 10:31:PM

Title: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: David1819 on October 15, 2019, 10:31:PM
Stan Jones eye witness account of the blood on the silencer. Collecting it six days after the killings.

(https://i.ibb.co/WDWgQZg/sbj.jpg)


Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: Caroline on October 15, 2019, 11:29:PM
Stan Jones eye witness account of the blood on the silencer. Collecting it six days after the killings.

(https://i.ibb.co/WDWgQZg/sbj.jpg)

By recent, he my have been insinuating it was linked to the murders as opposed to it having been there for quite some time.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: David1819 on October 15, 2019, 11:52:PM
By recent, he my have been insinuating it was linked to the murders as opposed to it having been there for quite some time.

He says further down that he didn't see the significance of it. It seems to corroborate AEs suspicious description of the blood also.

Too late to cross examine him now.  :-\



Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: Caroline on October 16, 2019, 12:15:AM
He says further down that he didn't see the significance of it. It seems to corroborate AEs suspicious description of the blood also.

Too late to cross examine him now.  :-\

Sadly.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 11:39:AM
So someone put it there other than Sheila or JB ??
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 11:41:AM
If it had been an officer, then why put it back in the cupboard ? The hair would obviously have come from Nevill as both women were dark-haired.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 11:53:AM
Recent-----meaning that the atmosphere of the room had been warm with the Aga having heated everywhere which would have meant that blood would have dried quicker, so------------------------another little gem that I hadn't previously seen but is important !
It would appear that things like this have been purposely missed/omitted against character assassination. What a disgrace !
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2019, 12:03:PM
Stan Jones eye witness account of the blood on the silencer. Collecting it six days after the killings.

(https://i.ibb.co/WDWgQZg/sbj.jpg)

Stan Jones took possession of the Sound moderator (SBJ/1) at the scene after returning there at 11.15am on the first morning of of the investigation along with three further items of evidential evidence, the exhibits SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4...

How come that when he took control of the Sound Moderator on the 7th August 1985 at the scene that he did not see any blood, or paint or a burr mark on the outer casing? And, if so how was it possible for David Boutflour to find the very same Sound Moderator in the gun cupboard on the 10th August 1985?
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 12:56:PM
By recent, he my have been insinuating it was linked to the murders as opposed to it having been there for quite some time.




No, recent, as in fresh blood. Not dried or gelled, but fresh.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 12:58:PM
Am I behind the times by asking if it was fingerprinted ?
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: Caroline on October 16, 2019, 02:53:PM



No, recent, as in fresh blood. Not dried or gelled, but fresh.

Recent could mean anything - it could mean two hours, it could mean six days. He isn't hear to explain his words and you have o idea what he meant.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: Caroline on October 16, 2019, 02:53:PM
Am I behind the times by asking if it was fingerprinted ?

Just a tad.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 03:57:PM
Just a tad.

 ?


Whose prints were they, or need I bother asking
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: Caroline on October 16, 2019, 04:31:PM
?


Whose prints were they, or need I bother asking

I don't think the fingerprinting was successful.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 04:43:PM
I don't think the fingerprinting was successful.



Ah right  :o  Thankyou anyway.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: Caroline on October 16, 2019, 05:50:PM


Ah right  :o  Thankyou anyway.

Might have lost my mind here, but I recall Cook did some kind of test involving superglue?
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: David1819 on October 16, 2019, 07:36:PM
Stan Jones took possession of the Sound moderator (SBJ/1) at the scene after returning there at 11.15am on the first morning of of the investigation along with three further items of evidential evidence, the exhibits SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4...

How come that when he took control of the Sound Moderator on the 7th August 1985 at the scene that he did not see any blood, or paint or a burr mark on the outer casing? And, if so how was it possible for David Boutflour to find the very same Sound Moderator in the gun cupboard on the 10th August 1985?

The important thing is that David Boutflour never recalled seeing this blood on the SM when he looked at  it at WHF. Nor did he notice the grey hair either. Hence the transformation of this exhibit has taken place at Oak farm.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 07:52:PM
Is this the same silencer which was dented/buckled/ damaged ?
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: David1819 on October 16, 2019, 08:02:PM
Is this the same silencer which was dented/buckled/ damaged ?

It was the one that convicted him.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: Caroline on October 16, 2019, 09:35:PM
The important thing is that David Boutflour never recalled seeing this blood on the SM when he looked at  it at WHF. Nor did he notice the grey hair either. Hence the transformation of this exhibit has taken place at Oak farm.

The grey hair is erroneous anyway because if it existed at all, it could have come from the Eaton's house, from the box in the cupboard or from whatever it was stored in for transit.
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 09:45:PM
The grey hair is erroneous anyway because if it existed at all, it could have come from the Eaton's house, from the box in the cupboard or from whatever it was stored in for transit.




Somebody saw it to mention it in the first place ? RWB had grey hair so what was he doing with it ?
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: Caroline on October 16, 2019, 10:03:PM



Somebody saw it to mention it in the first place ? RWB had grey hair so what was he doing with it ?

Stan Jones said he spotted it. It could have been a white dog hair - regardless, it is too erroneous!
Title: Re: DS Jones thought the blood on the silencer "looked recent rather than old"
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 10:06:PM
Stan Jones said he spotted it. It could have been a white dog hair - regardless, it is too erroneous!




I never thought about the dog.