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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Bamber's bikes from 7 - 15 years old.
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 08:14 PM »
Quote from: Rob_ on Yesterday at 07:36 PM
This makes no sense ILB if Bamber knows the calls cannot be tracked?

He simply says to Bews or whoever I called as soon as the line cleared why does he have a gap he is lying!

This is not my particular argument in regards to calls tracked but can be explored from the gulity camp.

His slow drive to the farmhouse and being overtook by cops can suggest he didn't believe calls could be tracked. ( IF he was driving slowly on purpose) ( gulit side)

As he would have no worries undertaking that practice if he believed calls could be tracked as he would believe that his call to West at 3.26am could show his location at home at goldhanger.

If he is gulity, he must have dawdled for a reason. ( the slow drive)

Why else would you dawdle? The only other argument was that you was genuinely terrified to arrive at the scene before the police because you were worried for your safety.


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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Bamber's bikes from 7 - 15 years old.
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 08:05 PM »
Quote from: Rob_ on Yesterday at 07:36 PM
This makes no sense ILB if Bamber knows the calls cannot be tracked?

He simply says to Bews or whoever I called as soon as the line cleared why does he have a gap he is lying!

I am not explaining calla tracked rob on this instance. I mean the gap between nevills call, Julie the police mate

There was a gap between Nevill phoning Jeremy, Jeremy the coppers.

I think we've crossed wires on this instance
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Jeremy's Campaign Team: People's view of them
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 08:02 PM »
Quote from: Steve_uk on Yesterday at 07:04 PM
But it was corroborated by other sources, which made it all the more damning.

Was the conversation between Richards and Jeremy when they were just alone?

All I have heard with Jeremy's relationship with Richards is that they used to play monopoly together and Jeremy was a good player but didn't like losing.

At trial Jeremy said there was a problem between him and Richards over a girl at some point.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Jeremy's Campaign Team: People's view of them
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 07:58 PM »
Quote from: BarefootDanC on Yesterday at 07:30 PM
Supposing Jeremy Bamber is innocent, he would know that Julie Mugford was lying and he may feel that his relatives and/or the police framed him and feel angry with them for it, but he has absolutely no evidence.|


What else can he, me you or anyone else in that situation (on the basis that he is innocent ) say? Except that she's a liar?

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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Jeremy's Campaign Team: People's view of them
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 07:49 PM »
Quote from: BarefootDanC on Yesterday at 07:30 PM


Rivlin QCs defence was, essentially, that none of the evidence against him was 100%. For example, the blood could have been a mixture of the Nevill's and June and maybe her hands and feet were clean because she had a wash.

The case is built on Julie and the silencer.

Although the silencer evidence was strong and Justice Drake gave direction that on the silencer evidence alone you can convict him, I agree with the late Anthony Arlidge that the strongest piece of ammo was Julie. Evidence of a confession. The partner of the accused. That swung it.  I believe that's what influenced the jury. Many would have been lost with backsplatter and blood evidence.

They are 12 humans from a variety of backgrounds like the rest of us. However a partner confession is something we can all understand easy.

I agree with you reference Rivlin. It was a difficult case to defend. It is one man v et Al. He didn't have much to work with. Bamber was a man who lived alone with no alibi, with his girlfriend and relatives against him. And the evidence of the silencer that was deemed damning.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Jeremy's Campaign Team: People's view of them
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 07:42 PM »
Quote from: Steve_uk on Yesterday at 07:04 PM
But it was corroborated by other sources, which made it all the more damning.

I believe the conversation did happen between Richards and Jeremy. But it is the typical conversation between young people which was used in a sinister way to bolster the prosecution case.

Richards was a friend of Julie's not Bambers. He only knew him via her.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Bamber's bikes from 7 - 15 years old.
« Last post by Rob_ on Yesterday at 07:41 PM »
Quote from: Steve_uk on Yesterday at 03:04 PM
The police were going to be his alibi. He thought they would pick him up and they would travel together to White House Farm.

Fair enough Steve but if Bamber is the killer and he knows the calls cannot be traced why does he have a gap between Nevil calling and when he calls the police? It makes no sense? All he has to do once he has showered and got ready is call the police and say my farther called a few minutes ago.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Bamber's bikes from 7 - 15 years old.
« Last post by Rob_ on Yesterday at 07:36 PM »
Quote from: ILB on Yesterday at 01:52 PM
Because he told police he phoned Julie then looked through a phone book for Chelmsford instead of phoning 999.

Although he did also try phoning Witham first.

At the scene with bews, and at trial he said "he didn't know how the system worked " and he thought that it would make no difference

This makes no sense ILB if Bamber knows the calls cannot be tracked?

He simply says to Bews or whoever I called as soon as the line cleared why does he have a gap he is lying!
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Jeremy's Campaign Team: People's view of them
« Last post by BarefootDanC on Yesterday at 07:30 PM »
Quote from: ILB on Yesterday at 06:37 PM
Only person really he should paint black is Julie.

And the coppers if he and the CT as it seems he and the CT swear by it. I  personally don't and have never bought no EP cover up. But Jeremy thinks there is. Although he himself narrows it down to three key officers, who I believe are Ainsley, SBJ, and Cook.

All the evidence of AE, RB, etc is just tittle tattle, I personally don't believe the conversation between Jeremy Bamber and Robert Boutflour happened.

James Richards evidence was Ludicrous. He heard Bamber say " I fucking hate my parents " an utterance made by many children, teens and twenty somethings.

Supposing Jeremy Bamber is innocent, he would know that Julie Mugford was lying and he may feel that his relatives and/or the police framed him and feel angry with them for it, but he has absolutely no evidence.|

Rivlin QCs defence was, essentially, that none of the evidence against him was 100%. For example, the blood could have been a mixture of the Nevill's and June and maybe her hands and feet were clean because she had a wash.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Jeremy's Campaign Team: People's view of them
« Last post by Steve_uk on Yesterday at 07:04 PM »
Quote from: ILB on Yesterday at 06:37 PM
Only person really he should paint black is Julie.

And the coppers if he and the CT as it seems he and the CT swear by it. I  personally don't and have never bought no EP cover up. But Jeremy thinks there is. Although he himself narrows it down to three key officers, who I believe are Ainsley, SBJ, and Cook.

All the evidence of AE, RB, etc is just tittle tattle, I personally don't believe the conversation between Jeremy Bamber and Robert Boutflour happened.

James Richards evidence was Ludicrous. He heard Bamber say " I fucking hate my parents " an utterance made by many children, teens and twenty somethings.
But it was corroborated by other sources, which made it all the more damning.
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