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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Last post by Adam on Yesterday at 08:51 PM »
If he was paranoid at all he could park on pages lane and saunter down

Seems he would have to drive through TD to get to Pages Lane.

Then walk down Pages Lane. Avoiding the other properties on Pages Lane.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Last post by Adam on Yesterday at 08:48 PM »
He probably just went the route via car the way he went to work on a daily basis.

If it was through Goldhanger and Tollshunt D'arcy I'm not surprised over 500 people were interviewed.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 08:32 PM »
If he was paranoid at all he could park on pages lane and saunter down
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 08:32 PM »
He probably just went the route via car the way he went to work on a daily basis.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Last post by Adam on Yesterday at 08:31 PM »
Bamber may have had to drive through Tollshunt D'arcy to get onto Pages Lane.

Wilkinson said the track going past Brook House Farm leading onto the B1023 & Pages Lane was easy for a bike.

Whether it was suitable for a car is another matter.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 08:30 PM »
Depends on a persons approach.

You wouldn't cycle for 20 minutes or go in through the bathroom window as it would be too much effort for 500k+.

The prosecution believe he did both.

I think if he did it he drove.

Don't think anybody was window watching at 2am
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Last post by Adam on Yesterday at 08:11 PM »
" Avoid properties "

Non sensical, it was 2am

Depends on a persons approach.

You wouldn't cycle for 20 minutes or go in through the bathroom window as it would be too much effort for 500k+.

The prosecution believe he did both.
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 07:51 PM »
Too far, long and tiring to walk.

The only people who would walk over 90- 140 minutes with a short break half way through would be hikers who enjoy walking & go on walking day trips.

Walking either of the 2 Brook House Farm routes doesn't avoid properties, people or security cameras. It goes along roads so if he was going that way he would cycle.

Bamber thought The Sea Wall route could be cycled in 15 minutes. So he's not going to spend 140+ minutes walking 8.4 miles there and back.

Walking across fields was not possible.

" Avoid properties "

Non sensical, it was 2am
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Last post by ILB on Yesterday at 07:51 PM »
Why would he do that? Makes no sense.

He brought the bike to Goldhanger pre massacre for one reason.

To cycle there and back. Without being seen & without expending energy

Did you ask him ?
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Yes thanks.
The story related by the relatives is that after returning to Oak Farm later that afternoon after the alleged discovery of the silencer, the booty they had retrieved from White House Farm was laid out on Ann’s kitchen table. After a quick assessment the jewellery and the guns were locked away while the carrier bag of assorted gun related items was left on the kitchen table. Upon the arrival home from work by Peter Eaton it was decided that they could wait no longer to have a peek what the carrier bag contained. David, Ann and Peter all gathered round the table in eager anticipation.

Peter Eaton stated that care was taken with the contents of the carrier bag when they were examined; he informed the City of London Police in 1991: 
“David took the sights out and then the silencer and placed them on the table slightly away from the plastic bag. I do not remember how he piled the items up. However, I can remember Ann telling us to be careful because of fingerprints. I remember that now that in order to get to the things inside the plastic bag, David rolled the sides down.” Peter Eaton then explained that he didn’t handle the silencer himself  and that David Boutflour “hardly touched it” only carefully doing so to remove it from the carrier bag and to put it back in . When asked how they physically examined the silencer, Peter Eaton stated: “In order to look at the silencer we moved around the table and it, to be able to get a good look.”

This revealing evidence by Ann Eaton directly contradicted what David Boutflour stated to the Court. In fact, David admitted that he had been ordered by Ann to be careful because of leaving his fingerprints on the silencer but David confessed that he had handled the silencer in an aggressive manner during this examination at Oak Farm. David admits in his evidence that he forcibly attempted to undo the knurl end of the silencer and had used some degree of force in his attempts and in 1991 stated:  ”I was holding it in my left hand and gripping the knurled ring tightly with my right hand trying to unscrew it”. However, he was unable to succeed unscrewing the silencer. When questioned about this during the trial he was asked if he was wearing gloves whilst he did this: “Mr Rivlin: What did you do next with the silencer? You were not wearing gloves, I take it?  A.  No, my fingerprints would be all over it.”

It is of significant interest that the silencer SBJ/1, submitted to Huntingdon Forensic Lab on the 13th August 1985, which Essex Police claimed was the silencer found by David was, on the 15th August, sent for super glue fume testing in order to retrieve fingerprints from it. No fingerprints were found on the silencer SBJ/1, and one would imagine that from the evidence David gave at Trial that his fingerprints, “all over it”, would have been recovered.  The beneficiaries claimed that Robert Boutflour was not present during the examination of the silencer and yet he was able to describe to the police the actions of his son‘s attempts to undo the silencer : “I didn’t even look closely as David later produced the telescopic sights, and that was put with the silencer and was taken to Oak Farm that evening. When there David’s curiosity got the better of him and he tried to take the end off to examine inside, but immediately spotted a drop of what looked like blood the size of a match head near the exit hole.” Extract from Robert Boutflours Diary Version 2 entry dated 10th August.
So, Robert Boutflour was present when the silencer was dismantled at the kitchen table; they all lied about his presence - I wonder why?

There is nothing there that states it was 'dismantled'.
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