Re: The murder of Jodi Jones

[marty]

Mate, in this case, you dont know whether its new year or new york.

[nugnug]

From my own experience, Sandra has attempted to mislead me into doubting Luke’s guilt. Other people have had the same experience.

So You can’t blame some people who were close to Lukes victim.

i could eaully acuse you of the same thing.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9933.0.html

[David1819]

Mate, in this case, you dont know whether its new year or new york.

Don't project yourself onto me.

[sandra L]

This works both ways. In the past i have seen some serious allegations being directed towards the Jones & others regarding this case.

Not by me, you haven't.

Done by private mail & on open forums.

Not by me.

The experience that MK went though, must of been hell for him & totally unjustified.

I didn't bring him into the discussion. There are serious anomalies, both about the police handling of information regarding him and his own accounts, when compared to other witness statements. I stand by my right to question those.

JF is another, that has had the shiffers put though him.

He brought himself into the discussion.  There are serious anomalies, both about the police handling of information regarding him and his own accounts, when compared to other witness statements. I stand by my right to question those.

These are real life people, put yourself in their shoes & lets see how you would react, you just have to look at some of the comments on you tube, to see the damage & how easily influenced people can be & it can be extremely dangerous for these individuals mentioned, infact i'm sure i seen a comment from MK somewhere on the net, its shocking what that lad went though.

I have never approached either of these people in person or electronically (or in any other way for that matter). Nor have I ever asked anyone else to do so on my behalf. I have never threatened or tried to intimidate them. I have never accused them of anything other than that which is contained in their own statements.

I'm not even going to mention the crap the Jones have had flung at them. It is pathetic & completely unjustified. It is point scoring at the lowest level.

Points scoring? Do you really believe this is about points scoring? I have flagged up anomalies in Jodi's family's statements because they may have resulted in a different verdict, had the jury known about them. Why did the search trio change their statements? If cannabis was such a big factor in Jodi's death, where did Joseph get the nine bar he had that day? Did Alice tell Ferris not to go to the police and if so, why? These are not accusations, they're questions and questions that, in my opinion, have to be answered if the conviction of Luke Mitchell is to be considered safe.

Has it worked? A big fat no is the answer. Luke is going no-where. You just have to see a so called typo in a book and the damage it can do. It's amateurish at best & pathetic at worst.

What "damage" did the typo do? The relevant passage suggests nothing more than that the presence of people on the path in the early evening who saw and heard nothing could suggests the time of death was wrong. In no way does it make any suggestion or implication of wrongdoing by any of the people named. I accepted and apologised for the mixing up of Leonard Kelly's name with Steven Kelly's. But, still, there was no harm to anyone (except the police investigating team) in suggesting that, because no-one saw or heard anything, the time of death may be rong.

[Caroline]

This works both ways. In the past i have seen some serious allegations being directed towards the Jones & others regarding this case. Done by private mail & on open forums. The experience that MK went though, must of been hell for him & totally unjustified. JF is another, that has had the shiffers put though him. These are real life people, put yourself in their shoes & lets see how you would react, you just have to look at some of the comments on you tube, to see the damage & how easily influenced people can be & it can be extremely dangerous for these individuals mentioned, infact i'm sure i seen a comment from MK somewhere on the net, its shocking what that lad went though. I'm not even going to mention the crap the Jones have had flung at them. It is pathetic & completely unjustified. It is point scoring at the lowest level. Has it worked? A big fat no is the answer. Luke is going no-where. You just have to see a so called typo in a book and the damage it can do. It's amateurish at best & pathetic at worst.

I agree, it's wrong both ways. I don't know a great deal about this case - but it was an horrendous crime. From what I have read, I believe that Luke is guilty. However, I wouldn't condone threats to anyone, like someone said previously, they are cowards. I do understand how the facts can be manipulated, I see much the same thing in respect to the Bamber case. Threats and intimidation are wrong - that's my only point.

[lookout]

i could eaully acuse you of the same thing.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9933.0.html

Like I said nugs, when something isn't going the way a person wants----------

[lookout]

From my own experience, Sandra has attempted to mislead me into doubting Luke’s guilt. Other people have had the same experience.

So You can’t blame some people who were close to Lukes victim.

Nobody but nobody can mislead anyone into doubting anyone's guilt unless they themselves were unsure in the first place.
Regardless of what people have said on the JB forum, I've stood fast in my belief of his innocence ( JB ) and I flatly refused to be misled in any way and remain the same.

I certainly do blame those whose mindset is such that they seek revenge through threats etc. and their actions speak volumes to me.

[David1819]

Like I said nugs, when something isn't going the way a person wants----------

Hence the nugget got salty (again) 

[nugnug]

Lose the martyr complex Sandra this post is just pathetic.

Joseph didn't threaten you at all, but we all know how you like to twist and misrepresent.

oh is that why he was countioned for it.

becouse he dident do it.

[nugnug]

He went to her door. There was no threat of violence.

and how would you know what he did or dident do.

[David1819]

So Luke's guilty then?

Why else was he arrested for it lol.

 

Corrine didn’t commit perjury because she wasn’t convicted.

But Luke didn’t commit murder even tho he was convicted.

Nugget logic

[nugnug]

Because I do.

He went to the door and confronted her about her misinformation.

She tried to get him to come inside and he told her where to go.

were you there then.

how could you have been.

[sandra L]

WTF?

I said, "I have the DNA results here - I can show you" - tried to get him to come inside? Are you crazy?

Why in the name of all things sane would I do that? This man was effing and blinding - he was raging.

"confronted her about her misinformation"? "No threat of violence?"

That f*cking website goes or you do. Witnessed, remember?

"I f*cking know where you are now."

"Aye look at you, no wonder you're scared, so you f*cking should be."

All witnessed, Lithium. Statements given to the police.

Confirmed liar?

Did Judith go online and deny Joseph had been anywhere near me or my house? Yes, she did.

Did she then backtrack and say Joseph had visited me because he was upset? Yes she did.

Did Judith tell the media that it was "a load of rubbish" that she'd been escorted from Corinne's workplace by the police and that it "never happened"? Yes she did.

Did the police then confirm she had, actually, been escorted from Corinne's workplace by them? Yes they did.

The only way you could know what happened when Joseph came to my door is if you are Joseph. In which case I will say right here, you are a liar and you know that to be the case. If you are not Joseph, you are also a liar, because you could not possibly know what happened that day.

Either way, you are, most certainly, a coward. You come on here with your lies, misinformation and accusations and you haven't even the guts to do it in your own name.

[sandra L]

Lithium, you're hilarious, you really are!

In response to

Quote from: ngb1066 on Today at 11:29 AM
and given that Sandra Lean has faced threats and intimidation in the past

you posted

When?

So, I provided a list of examples of when I'd been threatened or intimidated, some witnessed, some not, and you come back with

Lose the martyr complex Sandra this post is just pathetic.

Joseph didn't threaten you at all, but we all know how you like to twist and misrepresent.

Tell me, how is answering your question a "martyr complex"? We all know that Joseph did threaten me (even Lothian and Borders had to accept that one), so who is twisting and misrepresenting now?

This is what I mean by damned if I do, damned if I don't. It's not accidental, I know that. It's quite deliberate - it's also utterly transparent.

[sandra L]

Mind your language.

I did. It wasn't me I was quoting.

Again, was anybody charged for these crimes towards you?

The only incident reported directly to the police was that involving Mr Jones, for which he received a police warning letter. Police in Scotland at the time would not accept a complaint of online harassment/intimidation because there was no such crime in Scotland at the time.

Does it matter whether anybody was charged? People are harassed and intimidated every day without charges being brought, especially when it's a one-person's-word-against-another's. I didn't know who these people were, I couldn't have identified them, they were complete strangers to me and, quite often, came up behind me- how could charges have been brought in those circumstances?