Re: The murder of Jodi Jones

[marty]

All the evidence was circumstantial. I can't understand in that case why the verdict of not proven was discarded. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/black-dahlia-link-blasted-luke-968291

In corrines interview with james english , she caimed that not proven was their biggest fear with the evidence against them. Never thought a guilty was possible.

[Steve_uk]

In corrines interview with james english , she caimed that not proven was their biggest fear with the evidence against them. Never thought a guilty was possible.

I know. They were badly let down by their Defence team.

[David1819]

Does anyone know if this is a verbatim quote from Luke?

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881794.luke-mitchell-interview-i-would-rather-stay-behind-bars-than-admit-my-guilt-for-murder-of-jodie-jones/

"I would rather stay behind bars than admit my guilt for murder of Jodi Jones"

The way this is said implies his guilt is real.

Also its been presumed that Jodi died round 5:00pm - 5:45pm. Lukes brother was watching porn the computer between 4.53pm and 5.16pm. Lukes brother claimed he would only do such a thing if he thought he was alone in the house.

Around 8pm there is a fire in Lukes back garden.

On the day she was murdered, Jodi told her mother that she was going to meet Luke. They had agreed to met yet Luke has given no explanation as to why they never met in his version of events.

[nugnug]

Does anyone know if this is a verbatim quote from Luke?

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881794.luke-mitchell-interview-i-would-rather-stay-behind-bars-than-admit-my-guilt-for-murder-of-jodie-jones/

"I would rather stay behind bars than admit my guilt for murder of Jodi Jones"

The way this is said implies his guilt is real.

Also its been presumed that Jodi died round 5:00pm - 5:45pm. Lukes brother was watching porn the computer between 4.53pm and 5.16pm. Lukes brother claimed he would only do such a thing if he thought he was alone in the house.

Around 8pm there is a fire in Lukes back garden.

On the day she was murdered, Jodi told her mother that she was going to meet Luke. They had agreed to met yet Luke has given no explanation as to why they never met in his version of events.

no its not a erbatim qaute its headline e have already discuses the fire a few pages back headlines are not its the words of newspaper editor.

te loogburner stff is discussed. in a fa pges back.

and there was no tod given she could have died at any time bettween going out and being found.

[David1819]

no its not a erbatim qaute its headline e have already discuses the fire a few pages back headlines are not its the words of newspaper editor.

te loogburner stff is discussed. in a fa pges back.

and there was no tod given she could have died at any time bettween going out and being found.

Given the time she left the house and the time the cyclists heard the murder. A TOD can be established.

"The deceased left her house at about 1650, informing her mother that she was going to meet the appellant and would be "mucking about up here". At 1654 a call was made from the appellant's mobile telephone to the speaking clock. Between about 1705 and 1720 Leonard Kelly was cycling along the path from the west to the east end, and heard a noise, which he described as "a strangling sort of sound, a human thing", coming from the far side of the wall."

[nugnug]

Given the time she left the house and the time the cyclists heard the murder. A TOD can be established.

"The deceased left her house at about 1650, informing her mother that she was going to meet the appellant and would be "mucking about up here". At 1654 a call was made from the appellant's mobile telephone to the speaking clock. Between about 1705 and 1720 Leonard Kelly was cycling along the path from the west to the east end, and heard a noise, which he described as "a strangling sort of sound, a human thing", coming from the far side of the wall."

the cyclit did not hear the murder he said he heard a sound that he thought sounded like someone possibly being strangled tough he wasn't sure.

how could know wht he sond of being strangled sounded like i m not sure a best that can be described as a guess.

the fact is the patholgist said he could establish a toD.

this witness could not see anything and Jodi was not strangled. her throat was cut so it actually mens bugger all

[David1819]

the cyclit did not hear the murder he said he heard a sound that he thought sounded like someone possibly being strangled tough he wasn't sure.

how could know wht he sond of being strangled sounded like i m not sure a best that can be described as a guess.

the fact is the patholgist said he could establish a toD.

this witness could not see anything and Jodi was not strangled. her throat was cut so it actually mens bugger all

So when the cyclists rode past the spot where she was murdered. They just so happened to hear this noise. And they just so happen to hear this at the right time when Jodi would have been in that location from leaving her home 15 minutes prior telling her mum that she was going to see Luke.

Its rather self-evident they heard the murder.

[nugnug]

So when the cyclists rode past the spot where she was murdered. They just so happened to hear this noise. And they just so happen to hear this at the right time when Jodi would have been in that location from leaving her home 15 minutes prior telling her mum that she was going to see Luke.

Its rather self-evident they heard the murder.

how could he have heard somone being strangled when nobody was strangled her throat was cut.

rather self evdent tht he couldent have done.

and how would he know what being strangled sounded like.

what expeerience did have of hearing strangultion beore im beting it was none.

[Caroline]

the cyclit did not hear the murder he said he heard a sound that he thought sounded like someone possibly being strangled tough he wasn't sure.

how could know wht he sond of being strangled sounded like i m not sure a best that can be described as a guess.

the fact is the patholgist said he could establish a toD.

this witness could not see anything and Jodi was not strangled. her throat was cut so it actually mens bugger all

And he didn't do anything - investigate? Call the police?

[nugnug]

And he didn't do anything - investigate? Call the police?

no he just carried on riding past.

[David1819]

how could he have heard somone being strangled when nobody was strangled her throat was cut.

rather self evdent tht he couldent have done.

and how would he know what being strangled sounded like.

what expeerience did have of hearing strangultion beore im beting it was none.

You are assuming her throat was cut first. Furthermore its never claimed it was a strangulating sound only that it was a strangling sort of sound. - "a strangling sort of sound, a human thing"

And he didn't do anything - investigate? Call the police?

no he just carried on riding past.

That's because only in retrospect/hindsight, does the cyclist realise what he had heard.

4:35pm - Jodi texts Luke

4:36pm - Luke texts Jodi back

4:50pm - Jodi leaves her house. Telling her mum she is going to see Luke.

5:05pm - 5:20pm - Cyclist hears a "a strangling sort of sound" in the place where her body is later found.

5:40pm - Luke calls Jodi's house asking where she is.

It would have to be a hell of a coincidence for the cyclist to have heard something other than her murder. Regardless of who done it.

Its also worth noting that the sound the cyclist heard was in the same time frame when Lukes brother was watching internet porn - something he admits he would only do if he was alone in the house. This contradicts Luke's claim he was in cooking dinner at that time. The evidence shows he was out and about on his mobile after making plans to meet Jodi. While his brother was home alone.

[nugnug]

You are assuming her throat was cut first. Furthermore its never claimed it was a strangulating sound only that it was a strangling sort of sound. - "a strangling sort of sound, a human thing"

That's because only in retrospect/hindsight, does the cyclist realise what he had heard.

4:35pm - Jodi texts Luke

4:36pm - Luke texts Jodi back

4:50pm - Jodi leaves her house. Telling her mum she is going to see Luke.

5:05pm - 5:20pm - Cyclist hears a "a strangling sort of sound" in the place where her body is later found.

5:40pm - Luke calls Jodi's house asking where she is.

It would have to be a hell of a coincidence for the cyclist to have heard something other than her murder. Regardless of who done it.

Its also worth noting that the sound the cyclist heard was in the same time frame when Lukes brother was watching internet porn - something he admits he would only do if he was alone in the house. This contradicts Luke's claim he was in cooking dinner at that time. The evidence shows he was out and about on his mobile after making plans to meet Jodi. While his brother was home alone.

she had have been alive when her throat was cut becouse of thhe blood spray. so her throat must of been cut first.

yes it could well be complete cioncedence becouse that is not a deserted spot strange sounds would be heard all the time.

if this ccyclist had been that disturbed. had been tht disturbed about whaat he heard surely he would of gone to the police.

and hes timing can not be considred gospel becouse he does not mention seiing the 2 lads on the moped even though other witneses did see them at that time.

and i might point out that 3 diffrent times have been given for jodi leaving her house.

why do you think the police didnt look or a liguture as they would of done had there been a sugestion of strangulation.

[David1819]

4:35pm - Jodi texts Luke

4:36pm - Luke texts Jodi back

4:50pm - Jodi leaves her house. Telling her mum she is going to see Luke.

5:05pm - 5:20pm - Cyclist hears a "a strangling sort of sound" in the place where her body is later found.

5:40pm - Luke calls Jodi's house asking where she is.

It would have to be a hell of a coincidence for the cyclist to have heard something other than her murder. Regardless of who done it.

Its also worth noting that the sound the cyclist heard was in the same time frame when Lukes brother was watching internet porn - something he admits he would only do if he was alone in the house. This contradicts Luke's claim he was in cooking dinner at that time. The evidence shows he was out and about on his mobile after making plans to meet Jodi. While his brother was home alone.

Its apparent that Luke and Jodi had arraigned to meet up just prior to her murder. Its apparent that Luke was giving the pretence of expecting to meet Judi when he called Jodi's home.

The telephone/text and witness accounts of her mother makes this rather clear. This is very problematic for Luke because he has set himself up with two false alibis for this time frame.

In one instance he has claimed he was at home cooking. And in another instance he told a Sky news reporter that he was with friends.

JAMES MATTHEWS: But you have an alibi for that night because you were with friends?

"LUKE: Yes. I was, first I was waiting just at the end of the estate where I was in full view, cars were passing, people were just getting home from work on buses, then I met up with my friends.

JAMES MATTHEWS:  Who vouch for you?

LUKE:  Yes, they gave statements the same as mine."

Another thing that I find crucial is that only Luke and Jodi's mother would have known when and where Judi was going when she left the house shortly before she died. Who else would have known where Judi was and where she was going? Any alternative killer has to be a random impulse killer with no connection to the victim.

Witnesses also saw Luke that day with certain type of Jacket on. This jacket was never found. This conforms with the theory that what he wore that day was being burned in the fire that took place that very night.

Then you have the knife pouch with Jodi's initials on and the date she died but the knife is missing.

Its rather easy to solve this case with old fashioned detective work.

"there may be a combination of circumstances, no one of which would raise a reasonable conviction, or more than a mere suspicion: but the whole taken together, may create a strong conclusion of guilt, that is, with as much certainty as human affairs can require or admit of." R v Exall (1866)

[nugnug]

Its apparent that Luke and Jodi had arraigned to meet up just prior to her murder. Its apparent that Luke was giving the pretence of expecting to meet Judi when he called Jodi's home.

The telephone/text and witness accounts of her mother makes this rather clear. This is very problematic for Luke because he has set himself up with two false alibis for this time frame.

In one instance he has claimed he was at home cooking. And in another instance he told a Sky news reporter that he was with friends.

JAMES MATTHEWS: But you have an alibi for that night because you were with friends?

"LUKE: Yes. I was, first I was waiting just at the end of the estate where I was in full view, cars were passing, people were just getting home from work on buses, then I met up with my friends.

JAMES MATTHEWS:  Who vouch for you?

LUKE:  Yes, they gave statements the same as mine."

Another thing that I find crucial is that only Luke and Jodi's mother would have known when and where Judi was going when she left the house shortly before she died. Who else would have known where Judi was and where she was going? Any alternative killer has to be a random impulse killer with no connection to the victim.

Witnesses also saw Luke that day with certain type of Jacket on. This jacket was never found. This conforms with the theory that what he wore that day was being burned in the fire that took place that very night.

Then you have the knife pouch with Jodi's initials on and the date she died but the knife is missing.

Its rather easy to solve this case with old fashioned detective work.

"there may be a combination of circumstances, no one of which would raise a reasonable conviction, or more than a mere suspicion: but the whole taken together, may create a strong conclusion of guilt, that is, with as much certainty as human affairs can require or admit of." R v Exall (1866)

luke was with freinds tht night hes freinds confirm that.

that was after he cliams he was cooking dinner. so your to 2 false albis cliam is completly untrue.

who else but jodis mother well everybody in her house. brother and sister her mums partner and i belive her sisters boyfreind whos sperm just happend to found on jodis underwear.   and anybody who was on the path that includs her 2 cousins who lied about what time they were on there.

[nugnug]

in the reconstruction it shows jodi leaving at five pm so why did the times for jodi leaving keep changing.

https://media.gettyimages.com/videos/jodi-jones-murder-police-stage-reconstruction-itn-scotland-dalkeith-video-id682859452