Re: The murder of Jodi Jones

[nugnug]

But Jodie's mum didn't have them, they were deleted from her phone too.

Was this phone found on Jodie's body?

no it was with jodis mum.

[nugnug]

If she was using her own sim, then it wouldn't matter who's phone she used.

i dont she was using her own sim

and even if she was it would still be in her house and any texts from look could have been found on it so it would be pointless for luke to delete the texts.

[gordo30]

no it was with jodis mum.

No phone found on her or the crime scene, have you heard otherwise?

[Caroline]

no it was with jodis mum.

Yes, I have just read that. Looks like the last text was sent by Jodie at 16:38, it seems odd that Luke didn't send any text messages after this time?

[nugnug]

No phone found on her or the crime scene, have you heard otherwise?

no thats wht i said the phone was still in jodis house making it pointless for lue to  have delted ny texts from his phone to hers..

[gordo30]

Yes, I have just read that. Looks like the last text was sent by Jodie at 16:38, it seems odd that Luke didn't send any text messages after this time?

That would depend on what was said and the fact he knew she didn’t have a phone

[nugnug]

Yes, I have just read that. Looks like the last text was sent by Jodie at 16:38, it seems odd that Luke didn't send any text messages after this time?

well he knew she dident have a phone on her and he thught she ha left the house so what point would there be texting her.

[Caroline]

well he knew she dident have a phone on her and he thught she ha left the house so what point would there be texting her.

He knew she had left the house?

This appeal documentation appears to be indicating that Luke was waiting for Jodie to turn up at his house

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
 He waited at the house for the deceased. He left at around 1730 or 1740, as she had not arrived. He waited at the entrance to the estate on Newbattle Road, moving between that point and a track at Barndale Cottages, closer to the west end of the path. He had walked further along the road at one point to see if he could see the deceased. As he was standing at Barndale Cottages he had seen boys whom he knew from school. He had waited for around 45 minutes. Thereafter, he had wandered into Newbattle Abbey walking up and down a path, wasting time. He then contacted David High and made arrangements to meet him.

[29] The appellant thought that something must have happened which meant that the deceased was not coming out, such as that she had forgotten, changed her mind, been grounded, or met somebody.

His mother (in one of the video's) stated that they had no firm plans to meet however, the above suggests they did - so when she didn't turn up why wouldn't he have texted her again. Also, Luke could have instigated her to delete the texts before she left the house.

[nugnug]

He knew she had left the house?

This appeal documentation appears to be indicating that Luke was waiting for Jodie to turn up at his house

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
 He waited at the house for the deceased. He left at around 1730 or 1740, as she had not arrived. He waited at the entrance to the estate on Newbattle Road, moving between that point and a track at Barndale Cottages, closer to the west end of the path. He had walked further along the road at one point to see if he could see the deceased. As he was standing at Barndale Cottages he had seen boys whom he knew from school. He had waited for around 45 minutes. Thereafter, he had wandered into Newbattle Abbey walking up and down a path, wasting time. He then contacted David High and made arrangements to meet him.

[29] The appellant thought that something must have happened which meant that the deceased was not coming out, such as that she had forgotten, changed her mind, been grounded, or met somebody.

His mother (in one of the video's) stated that they had no firm plans to meet however, the above suggests they did - so when she didn't turn up why wouldn't he have texted her again. Also, Luke could have instigated her to delete the texts before she left the house.

ecactly so it would be a bit pointless texting her as he knew she dident haave a phone on her.

[Caroline]

ecactly so it would be a bit pointless texting her as he knew she dident haave a phone on her.

He said he thought something had happened that resulted in her NOT coming out and he could have instigated the deletion of the text messages.

[gordo30]

He knew she had left the house?

This appeal documentation appears to be indicating that Luke was waiting for Jodie to turn up at his house

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
 He waited at the house for the deceased. He left at around 1730 or 1740, as she had not arrived. He waited at the entrance to the estate on Newbattle Road, moving between that point and a track at Barndale Cottages, closer to the west end of the path. He had walked further along the road at one point to see if he could see the deceased. As he was standing at Barndale Cottages he had seen boys whom he knew from school. He had waited for around 45 minutes. Thereafter, he had wandered into Newbattle Abbey walking up and down a path, wasting time. He then contacted David High and made arrangements to meet him.

[29] The appellant thought that something must have happened which meant that the deceased was not coming out, such as that she had forgotten, changed her mind, been grounded, or met somebody.

His mother (in one of the video's) stated that they had no firm plans to meet however, the above suggests they did - so when she didn't turn up why wouldn't he have texted her again. Also, Luke could have instigated her to delete the texts before she left the house.

These online appeal documents although not in accurate as such have many mistakes that all parties would agree with.

Luke instigating her to delete the texts is pure conjecture, there’s no way of knowing. I agree with lithium here it’s more likely to be a teenage daughter not wanting her mum to know her plans as opposed to anything more sinister.
The possibility that if the texts contained something like”ok meet you at 5” then why delete them, again she may just have done so out of routine

[nugnug]

He said he thought something had happened that resulted in her NOT coming out and he could have instigated the deletion of the text messages.

but it would be totally pountless becouse the other phone would of still had the messagess on it.

[Caroline]

These online appeal documents although not in accurate as such have many mistakes that all parties would agree with.

Luke instigating her to delete the texts is pure conjecture, there’s no way of knowing. I agree with lithium here it’s more likely to be a teenage daughter not wanting her mum to know her plans as opposed to anything more sinister.
The possibility that if the texts contained something like”ok meet you at 5” then why delete them, again she may just have done so out of routine

Of course it's conjecture - but we aren't in a court, we're simply trying to piece together what may have happened. Its conjecture that the police deleted them in the face of no posted proof.

[Caroline]

but it would be totally pountless becouse the other phone would of still had the messagess on it.

Not with you Nugs? Two phones, Luke's and Jodie's mothers right? He COULD have asked Jodie to delete the messages from her mothers phone before leaving the house and them deleted them from his own phone.

[nugnug]

Not with you Nugs? Two phones, Luke's and Jodie's mothers right? He COULD have asked Jodie to delete the messages from her mothers phone before leaving the house and them deleted them from his own phone.

and how would he knew she would do it.