Question About Entrance, Exit

[Alias]

Is it not alleged that Jeremy (if we assume he did it, or some other intruder), on the night of the murders, entered WHF through the downstairs bathroom window and exited through the kitchen window?
Now, I have no problem with someone crawling in through the bathroom window, assuming that all the lights in the house had been turned off for the night; but I do have a problem with Jeremy (or someone else) crawling out of the kitchen window after having killed everyone in the house. The kitchen was LIT when police and Jeremy arrived at the farm.
 I have a problem seeing ANYONE being so stupid and careless to actually do that, the risk of being seen crawling through the window of a fully lit room must have occurred to the alleged intruder!

[SUMMER]

abs, was there any physical proof that anyone either entered or left
via either of those windows or is it purely based on what the
prosecution suggested had happened?
From what I have gathered Ann  Eaton did so much cleaning up in
the Farmhouse that very little physical evidence remained. (Things
like traces of blood on the windows perhaps?)
Did the Police find any Forensic evidence around or on those windows/
windowsills?

[paulg]

Who's going to see someone going through the window? Its screened, and everyone's dead!!

[Alias]

abs, was there any physical proof that anyone either entered or left
via either of those windows or is it purely based on what the
prosecution suggested had happened?
From what I have gathered Ann  Eaton did so much cleaning up in
the Farmhouse that very little physical evidence remained. (Things
like traces of blood on the windows perhaps?)
Did the Police find any Forensic evidence around or on those windows/
windowsills?

I don´t think there was actual physical evidence of any of this, but it was alleged that that is how it happened. And I think Ann Eaton claimed that some items on the kitchen table in front of the window were not in their normal place, but seemed to have been pushed aside. Furthermore she said that she thought she saw some marks on or around the window sill, which could resemble blood - but she had cleaned them up!
This is how I remember it - please correct me if I´m wrong.
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Paulg, what do you mean by screened? I am not sure - sometimes my understanding of English is limited.

[tyler]

Abs,Im pretty sure that the police agreed that they moved the items around the sink area and caused the watery blood splashes up the window whilst cleaning up the scene.What I just cant seem to understand is why,if JB was supposedly trying to commit the perfect murder,he would leave  behind a hacksaw blade under the window in the grass,a tampon( allegedly used to clean the rifle) in the lounge and a silencer (allegedly used in the murders)in a cupboard.It is these  kind of things that help me believe in his innocence.

[Alias]

Abs,Im pretty sure that the police agreed that they moved the items around the sink area and caused the watery blood splashes up the window whilst cleaning up the scene.What I just cant seem to understand is why,if JB was supposedly trying to commit the perfect murder,he would leave  behind a hacksaw blade under the window in the grass,a tampon( allegedly used to clean the rifle) in the lounge and a silencer (allegedly used in the murders)in a cupboard.It is these  kind of things that help me believe in his innocence.

Haha, you put it very well. The Inspector Cluseau of criminals...

[jon]

Abs,Im pretty sure that the police agreed that they moved the items around the sink area and caused the watery blood splashes up the window whilst cleaning up the scene.What I just cant seem to understand is why,if JB was supposedly trying to commit the perfect murder,he would leave  behind a hacksaw blade under the window in the grass,a tampon( allegedly used to clean the rifle) in the lounge and a silencer (allegedly used in the murders)in a cupboard.It is these  kind of things that help me believe in his innocence.

Or why did he say is father called him ? Why not just go to bed and wait ?

[chochokeira]

Who's going to see someone going through the window? Its screened, and everyone's dead!!

I've read here that one or more neighbours reported hearing a shot earlier in the evening. If there was an early, audible shot, It's not beyond the realms of possibility that this might have been reported to the police at the time, instead of after the murders, and that this report could have resulted in police visiing WHF to investigate. Although it's highly unlikely, a killer could not be certain of being undisturbed.

[Alias]

Abs,Im pretty sure that the police agreed that they moved the items around the sink area and caused the watery blood splashes up the window whilst cleaning up the scene.What I just cant seem to understand is why,if JB was supposedly trying to commit the perfect murder,he would leave  behind a hacksaw blade under the window in the grass,a tampon( allegedly used to clean the rifle) in the lounge and a silencer (allegedly used in the murders)in a cupboard.It is these  kind of things that help me believe in his innocence.

Or why did he say is father called him ? Why not just go to bed and wait ?

That too.

[Roch]

Entrance / Exit... sounds like paulg in Lillywhites circa '84 

[paulg]

abs, was there any physical proof that anyone either entered or left
via either of those windows or is it purely based on what the
prosecution suggested had happened?
From what I have gathered Ann  Eaton did so much cleaning up in
the Farmhouse that very little physical evidence remained. (Things
like traces of blood on the windows perhaps?)
Did the Police find any Forensic evidence around or on those windows/
windowsills?

I don´t think there was actual physical evidence of any of this, but it was alleged that that is how it happened. And I think Ann Eaton claimed that some items on the kitchen table in front of the window were not in their normal place, but seemed to have been pushed aside. Furthermore she said that she thought she saw some marks on or around the window sill, which could resemble blood - but she had cleaned them up!
This is how I remember it - please correct me if I´m wrong.
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Paulg, what do you mean by screened? I am not sure - sometimes my understanding of English is limited.

There are outbuildings blocking anyone seeing the kitchen window. There's no houses overlooking the WHF, its remote. Check bing maps or something Abs, then use the satelite view.

And Keira, we here gun shots all the time round here, even late at night, i doubt it would cause concern to anyone. Maybe if someone was screaming, it would raise concerns.

And, would Neville leave his weapons and ammo out, if Sheila had fired a shotgun...i really very much doubt it.

[paulg]

Entrance / Exit... sounds like paulg in Lillywhites circa '84 

Aaah, you've jogged my memory, POP 84 was another shop to raid.

[tyler]

Paulg,thing is,is that Nevill did in fact leave weapons out.They were scattered about the farmhouse.And even if he had put them away because the boys were staying,as you know there was no lock on the gun cupboard.Sheila may have been very ill,but not ill enough to render her unable to go to the gun cupboard to select a weapon and ammo.I dont think that JB volunteering the information that he had left a gun out necessarily proves his guilt.In fact I think it would have been easier for him not to have mentioned it at all!

[paulg]

Paulg,thing is,is that Nevill did in fact leave weapons out.They were scattered about the farmhouse.And even if he had put them away because the boys were staying,as you know there was no lock on the gun cupboard.Sheila may have been very ill,but not ill enough to render her unable to go to the gun cupboard to select a weapon and ammo.I dont think that JB volunteering the information that he had left a gun out necessarily proves his guilt.In fact I think it would have been easier for him not to have mentioned it at all!

If you read the thread, my response was to Keira for suggesting a shotgun was fired earlier in the evening at WHF. Some have suggested in the past that it was Sheila firing the weapon in the kitchen.

Do still think he'd leave weapons about if that had happened?

[tyler]

Oh I see.Sorry Paul   
I read too quickly sometimes and misunderstand.