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« Reply #180 on: January 10, 2022, 01:10:PM »
A must read


Prince Andrew is a pompous, entitled oaf - but his accuser Virginia Roberts has questions to answer too, writes SARAH VINE


Normally when a jury returns a verdict, that's the end of it. But not in the Ghislaine Maxwell case. If anything, when it comes to this extraordinary tale of power and perversion, the plot appears to be thickening.
The latest revelations come from a key witness in the recent trial, Carolyn Andriano, whose testimony helped secure four of the five guilty verdicts against Maxwell. 
This weekend she gave an exclusive interview to The Mail on Sunday's sister paper, the Daily Mail, in which she threw light on Virginia Giuffre's allegations of battery and sexual assault against Prince Andrew.

She claims that not only did Giuffre text her excitedly from London in March 2001 to say she was having dinner with the Prince, she also claims that when she got back to Florida she showed Andriano that snap of her with him and gushed: 'I got to sleep with him.'
According to Andriano, Giuffre didn't seem remotely upset about the experience. On the contrary, 'she thought it was pretty cool' and 'couldn't believe that she got to sleep with Prince Andrew'.

She also says that her friendship with Giuffre was what led to her being recruited – aged 14 – into Epstein and Maxwell's 'pyramid scheme' of abuse, and that Giuffre was fully aware of what was going on. 'I don't think she deserves any compensation,' she says.
'I don't think she was coerced into doing anything.'
She even goes so far as to say that Giuffre, whom she met when she was 13 and dating a 17-year-old boy who was friends with Giuffre's boyfriend, deserves to get the same treatment as Maxwell, since she 'trafficked' her into a 'world of spiralling downward slopes'.
She says the older girl had a way of making her feel 'comfortable', and that she trusted her – which is presumably why, when Giuffre asked her if she would like to 'go and make some money', she agreed to visit Epstein at his house in Palm Beach to administer a 'massage'. 
Giuffre gave her a revealing top and a pair of 'tight skimpy shorts' and told her 'whatever you do, don't say your age'. They went to Epstein's place, where she watched Giuffre massage him and have sex with him, before Maxwell took her phone number and gave her $300. To my mind there is no doubt: if what Andriano is saying is true (and I have no reason to doubt her), her testimony opens up a new can of worms. It casts Giuffre in a completely different light, one in which she appears less the innocent victim of a predatory prince and more a knowing participant in a network of sleaze.
She seems to have done to Andriano exactly what she claims Maxwell did to her: groomed her as a sex object for Epstein.
Sure, she was herself an underage victim (though, of, course the age of consent – on which so much in this case hinges – varies wildly around the world). Nevertheless, there are some serious blurred lines here. Not just in relation to her role as recruiter for Maxwell, but also in terms of her claims against Prince Andrew.
A woman who claims he sexually assaulted her, yet was so excited about the chance of bedding him that she texted her friend on the other side of the world? Who showed off a picture of them together?

A person who claims to be a victim, yet herself recruits other victims, tells them to lie, gives them certain clothes to wear and shows them what to do?

Don't get me wrong: Andrew is a pompous, entitled oaf who has handled this whole thing appallingly.

But if he did sleep with Giuffre, which he has vehemently denied, Andriano's testimony raises the distinct possibility that he might not have had the slightest clue what was really going on.

Giuffre's allegation is still pretty sleazy, of course: after all, she was 17 at the time, he was almost 40. But if Giuffre encouraged Andriano to lie about her age, who's to say she didn't do the same for herself?

At some point Giuffre allegedly turned from victim into abuser, and visited on others the horrors that had been visited on her. Her supporters like to gloss over this fact.

'Virginia has said for years that her role in facilitating other young women's involvement is something she has always regretted,' says her lawyer, David Boies. I'm sure she does. But the fact remains, she still did it. And just because she regrets it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I'd hope Ghislaine also regrets many of the things she did. It won't stop her being held accountable for them, and nor should it. But the more we hear about this case, the more I can't help thinking: why was she the only one on trial?
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #181 on: January 10, 2022, 04:24:PM »
No getting away from it Andrew's a horrible character.

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« Reply #182 on: January 10, 2022, 05:13:PM »
No getting away from it Andrew's a horrible character.


I know but that Virginia sounds as bad

I actually think he is thick and got stitched up without realising it by Epstein so he had something over him.
I feel sorry for his daughters
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #183 on: January 12, 2022, 11:08:AM »
i think andrewiseing made a scape goat forothers such as clintonan gates.

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« Reply #184 on: January 15, 2022, 10:01:AM »
a bit about linton https://youtu.be/5BOts_c-EN0

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« Reply #185 on: January 15, 2022, 10:05:PM »
Here's an interesting article from the Steeple Times, (who have recently been supportive of Jeremy) it features photographs of the inside of Maxwell's infamous Belgravia residence which has recently come on the market.

https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/randy-andys-bathtub-bonk-pad/?fbclid=IwAR1cT604_ChOyYPFEnr4zX-aMbdrkpqXD_d36oFUbT9-Gs7aNAEKdEChaPg
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« Reply #186 on: January 15, 2022, 10:14:PM »
Good grief ! Those poor daughters of his. Did he never consider them at all ?

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« Reply #187 on: January 15, 2022, 10:28:PM »
Good grief ! Those poor daughters of his. Did he never consider them at all ?

This is another aspect I find interesting, you would have thought that at the time having 2 young teenage daughters, the thought would have crossed his mind that Virginia is also the teenage daughter of another man. And how would he (Andrew) like it if a man in his 40s had sex with one of his teenage daughters.

I can remember when I was 24, someone was trying to set me up with the 16 year old daughter of a friend of their's. Even then I found the age gap to big. Driven by the fact of having a sister of the same age.

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« Reply #188 on: February 15, 2022, 05:39:PM »

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« Reply #189 on: February 15, 2022, 06:28:PM »
Yes it seems so Steve.

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« Reply #190 on: February 20, 2022, 11:15:AM »
guess who just killed themselves https://youtu.be/Dvf9ZdvUDUE

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« Reply #191 on: February 20, 2022, 04:27:PM »
guess who just killed themselves https://youtu.be/Dvf9ZdvUDUE
I always thought that Epstein met his demise under suspicious circumstances, and this seems to confirm my view.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10530247/Jeffrey-Epsteins-friend-Jean-Luc-Brunel-prison-suicide.html
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« Reply #192 on: February 20, 2022, 05:00:PM »
I always thought that Epstein met his demise under suspicious circumstances, and this seems to confirm my view.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10530247/Jeffrey-Epsteins-friend-Jean-Luc-Brunel-prison-suicide.html

Many prisoners attempt/succeed in taking their life: Bellfield, Brady, Hall, Huntley, Shipman, West.

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« Reply #193 on: February 20, 2022, 05:03:PM »
Many prisoners attempt/succeed in taking their life: Bellfield, Brady, Hall, Huntley, Shipman, West.
..and a good end to them many might say.

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« Reply #194 on: February 20, 2022, 05:13:PM »
..and a good end to them many might say.

One of the reasons I'm against CP as its clear that lengthy prison sentences/life tarriffs are tough.