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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2018, 11:25:PM »
I believe I am right in saying that the 1st silencer found at the scene that Peter Eaton handed over to DS Jones on 12th August 1985, was rendered 'worthless' once DI Cook exposed 'it' to Superglue treatment on 23rd August 1985, and that this became apparent once the said silencer ('SJ/1' - 'DB/1') was submitted to the Lab' on 30th August 1985, and that this was what motivated the relatives and cops to introduce the 2nd silencer ("DRB/1') which Ann Eaton handed over to DC Oakey on 11th September 1985..
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2018, 10:00:AM »
   Could this be the beginning of the unravelling of the lies that is the prosecution case?

Possibly - but it will still just be dismissed. 

The jury asked for clarification regarding the origin of the blood in the silencer and were told unequivocally that the blood definitely came from Sheila. This claim can now be seen for what it is, a falsehood (possibly perjury?)
     However it is spun, this is more than "just a technicality". It is a clear lie told to the jury. The blood did not definitely belong to Sheila and the prosecution were aware of this but lied anyway. It is also worth noting that the other possible source for the blood, Robert Boutflour, appears to have been viewed with some suspicion by at least some of the jury who also asked whether witnesses from the family stood to benefit financially from a guilty verdict and were, at best, misled by the answer given to them.
     Had the jury been informed correctly that Robert Boutflour was a possible source for the blood,alongside the unease with his evidence and possible financial motivations, then it is reasonable to conclude that this information could easily have led to a different decision by the jury.
     If the jury have been demonstrably lied to then the verdict is the definition of unsafe.

My thoughts exactly and I think they're holding back also.  Cant be certain - but we could at some point be made aware of more evidence inside.  I don't know whether it's possible to take out a civil case external to the likely rejected appeal proceedings. 

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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2018, 11:26:AM »
I believe I am right in saying that the 1st silencer found at the scene that Peter Eaton handed over to DS Jones on 12th August 1985, was rendered 'worthless' once DI Cook exposed 'it' to Superglue treatment on 23rd August 1985, and that this became apparent once the said silencer ('SJ/1' - 'DB/1') was submitted to the Lab' on 30th August 1985, and that this was what motivated the relatives and cops to introduce the 2nd silencer ("DRB/1') which Ann Eaton handed over to DC Oakey on 11th September 1985..

I think that it was probably Robert Boutflours blood in the 2nd silencer (DRB/1), not Sheila Caffell's blood, and this would be significant considering that it was the 2nd silencer that was exhibited during the trial, as Court Exhibit No.9...
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2018, 11:37:AM »
I think that it was probably Robert Boutflours blood in the 2nd silencer (DRB/1), not Sheila Caffell's blood, and this would be significant considering that it was the 2nd silencer that was exhibited during the trial, as Court Exhibit No.9...

The 2nd silencer was the silencer inside which experts from the Lab' had said they had found Sheila Caffell's blood inside of - but hang fire, I am prepared to provisionally concede that some of Sheila's blood had got into the 1st silencer, at the time Sheila was shot when the firearm officers entered the kitchen and Sheila got shot in her neck by the mystery bolt action type rifle photographed in the kitchen but which officers were not to comment about! I believe that the rifle that was captured in a crime scene photograph in the kitchen (the mystery rifle) had a silencer fitted to the end of its barrel, and that at the time Sheila received that first shot across the neck that the muzzle of the silencer in question was in contact with Sheila's neck, and that this was how Sheila's blood got into the first silencer...

DS Jones returned to the farmhouse later that morning to take possession of that silencer (SBJ/1), because by that stage (post 11.15am) Sheila had been shot a second time by use of the family owned anshuzt rifle in a bizarre accident during a training exercise when her body had been moved from the bed onto the floor in the main bedroom - as a result of this, Sheila's body was staged as a suicide in possession of the anshuzt rifle, and her death talked about as a suicide using only that gun...
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2018, 11:40:AM »
The 2nd silencer was the silencer inside which experts from the Lab' had said they had found Sheila Caffell's blood inside of - but hang fire, I am prepared to provisionally concede that some of Sheila's blood had got into the 1st silencer, at the time Sheila was shot when the firearm officers entered the kitchen and Sheila got shot in her neck by the mystery bolt action type rifle photographed in the kitchen but which officers were not to comment about! I believe that the rifle that was captured in a crime scene photograph in the kitchen (the mystery rifle) had a silencer fitted to the end of its barrel, and that at the time Sheila received that first shot across the neck that the muzzle of the silencer in question was in contact with Sheila's neck, and that this was how Sheila's blood got into the first silencer...

DS Jones returned to the farmhouse later that morning to take possession of that silencer (SBJ/1), because by that stage (post 11.15am) Sheila had been shot a second time by use of the family owned anshuzt rifle in a bizarre accident during a training exercise when her body had been moved from the bed onto the floor in the main bedroom - as a result of this, Sheila's body was staged as a suicide in possession of the anshuzt rifle, and her death talked about as a suicide using only that gun...

Cops presented Sheila's death as a one gun crime, when in fact two separate guns had been used to shoot her, in two different parts of the farmhouse (the kitchen downstairs, and the main bedroom upstairs)..
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2018, 11:48:AM »
It all boils down, as we speak, to the existence of two identical looking silencers, both with blood inside them, namely the 1st silencer which I am prepared to concede was the same silencer as referred to when it was being referred to by the 'SBJ/1', 'SJ/1' and DB/1' exhibit references, and the 2nd silencer 'DRB/1'...

The blood in the first silencer could have belonged to Sheila Caffell, but the blood in the second silencer almost certainly belonged to Robert Boutflour - if Sheila was shot with the only use of one of the two rifles, how is it possible that two different silencers had her blood inside, and how and why would anyone take one silencer off the barrel of the gun and replace it with the other silencer in-between the two shots?

There were two rifles used in the shootings and the killing of Sheila Caffell, and only one of the two silencers came into contact with the surface of her neck, and this was at the time Sheila got shot across the neck when cops entered the kitchen!
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2018, 11:54:AM »
I believe that upon receiving the 2nd silence at the Lab' on the 20th September 1985, and thereafter, that blood expert John Hayward would have been able to distinguish between the same blood group activity shared by both Sheila Caffell and Robert Boutflour...

The second silencer ('DRB/1') was not examined for the very first time until 25th September 1985, and by that stage, the blood group activity (A, EAP BA, AK/1 and HP 2-1) had already been found inside the 1st Silencer (DB/1), and analysed (12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985). As such Hayward and Howard must have known that any blood found in the 2nd silencer (DRB/1) that wasn't examined until 25th September 1985, could not possibly belong or have originated from Sheila Caffell, considering that her death was supposed to have been a one gun crime, and that by 20th September 1985, the experts at the Lab' must surely have known and been aware of the fact that the blood group evidence obtained from the 1st silencer (DB/1) was worthless because Cook had exposed that silencer and it's contents to the harmful and damaging affects of Superglue fumes which were scientifically known to be damaging to scientific tests involving blood grouping evidence!

Hayward had no option but to say that the blood found in the second silencer could have come from either Sheila Caffell or Robert Boutflour, because of the existence of the 1st silencer which had blood inside it (albeit worthless evidentially)!
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2018, 12:13:PM »
I now need to find Glynis Howard's witness Statement, dated the 29th September 1986, and John Haywards witness statement, dated 15th November 1985..
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2018, 07:44:PM »
Possibly - but it will still just be dismissed. 

My thoughts exactly and I think they're holding back also.  Cant be certain - but we could at some point be made aware of more evidence inside.  I don't know whether it's possible to take out a civil case external to the likely rejected appeal proceedings.
   I believe there is more to come from this also, Roch. The video and revelations on the shenanigans with the negative strips along with this give the impression, to me at least, that cracks are appearing.

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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2018, 10:14:PM »
   I believe there is more to come from this also, Roch. The video and revelations on the shenanigans with the negative strips along with this give the impression, to me at least, that cracks are appearing.

In particular, among the relatives, David Boutflour's media interviews set him apart. Somebody should amalgamate all of his claims and statements in the media, for the purpose of reference. Historically he's been vociferous. 

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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2018, 04:14:AM »
In particular, among the relatives, David Boutflour's media interviews set him apart. Somebody should amalgamate all of his claims and statements in the media, for the purpose of reference. Historically he's been vociferous.

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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2018, 07:10:AM »
It is already documented in a handwritten report, made by the pathologist, Peter Venezis, that only 24 bullets had been fired via the anshuzt rifle during the shootings!
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2018, 07:28:AM »
Evidence that a person (Sheila) had been shot on two occasions after firearm officers entered the farmhouse, is understood to be recorded in the handwritten Scenes of Crime Registers (a register at Chelmsford in relation to the involvement of DC Oakey / DC Henderson, and a register at Witham regarding the involvement at the scene by DI Cook, DS Davidson, DC Hammersley and PC Bird). Essex police have only released an edited/typed version of the Witham Scenes of Crime Register, containing the following reference to the shooting..

Seige, and person's shot dead..

A person or persons shot dead - A person had committed suicide...

(Source of Information not known)


Let us not forget, that by 7.45am, that only two bodies had been found, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide!

A person ... Shot dead  -. (who had)... Committed Suicide..
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2018, 07:52:AM »
By the time Cook and his team arrived at the farmhouse (9.20am), Sheila had already been shot twice, once downstairs in the kitchen, and later on, shot again upstairs on the main bedroom floor! As a result of each of these shootings, cops referred to her death as a suicide..

The second body mentioned in the timed police radio messages was the body of a woman, who had committed suicide..

This tells us that the second body spoken about could not have been June Bamber because she had been shot a total of 7 times, and her blood trail tells us that she never left the main bedroom! The woman's body mentioned at 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am, could only have been a reference to the body of Sheila Caffell..

Sheila was downstairs in the kitchen, and did not arrive upstairs in the main bedroom until after 8.10am - there were only three bodies found upstairs by this time, and it would have been impossible for Sheila to have been one of those three bodies!
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2018, 07:59:AM »
By the time Cook and his team arrived at the farmhouse (9.20am), Sheila had already been shot twice, once downstairs in the kitchen, and later on, shot again upstairs on the main bedroom floor! As a result of each of these shootings, cops referred to her death as a suicide..

The second body mentioned in the timed police radio messages was the body of a woman, who had committed suicide..

This tells us that the second body spoken about could not have been June Bamber because she had been shot a total of 7 times, and her blood trail tells us that she never left the main bedroom! The woman's body mentioned at 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am, could only have been a reference to the body of Sheila Caffell..

Sheila was downstairs in the kitchen, and did not arrive upstairs in the main bedroom until after 8.10am - there were only three bodies found upstairs by this time, and it would have been impossible for Sheila to have been one of those three bodies!

The silencer seized by DS Jones (SBJ/1) was almost certainly attached to the barrel of the mystery rifle that was captured in a Crime Scene photograph that was taken in the kitchen, where Sheila was initially shot and mistakenly presumed to have died! Her death was being spoken about as a suicide at that (7.45am) time, because Sheila had pulled the barrel of the (mystery) weapon in towards her own neck as if she wanted to be shot!
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