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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2018, 10:10:PM »
Two silencers with blood inside of them, does not equate with these shootings being a one gun crime!
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2018, 10:16:PM »
Actually John Hayward did say there was a remote possibility that the blood in the silencer could have been an intimate mix of June and Nevill's blood, but this still entails Sheila returning the silencer to the gun cupboard before proceeding upstairs to shoot herself. It really is not the epiphany the Defence needs. In my opinion the only option the Bambetettes have is to keep the case in the public eye, though as we have seen with Trudy to name but one individual this can prove counterproductive. Going off the David Bain case it was the nuisance value of appealing to the Privy Council in London which amongst other things got him off, as the Establishment just wanted rid of the whole thing. I don't believe the same pertains at the moment (or is likely ever to with relatives claiming to still live in fear of his release) with the Jeremy Bamber case.
   The judge told the jury that the silencer contained Sheila's blood when the jury asked for clarification during deliberations. This claim is not true and the jury were seriously misled. Had they known that Robert Boutflour was a possible source then it cannot be reasonably argued that this would have made no difference to their verdict. It can be assumed that the question wasn't asked apropos of nothing. The jury wanted clarification and were lied to. It is that simple.

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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2018, 10:26:PM »
   The judge told the jury that the silencer contained Sheila's blood when the jury asked for clarification during deliberations. This claim is not true and the jury were seriously misled. Had they known that Robert Boutflour was a possible source then it cannot be reasonably argued that this would have made no difference to their verdict. It can be assumed that the question wasn't asked apropos of nothing. The jury wanted clarification and were lied to. It is that simple.
We still don't know the actual evidence the Guardian has come into possession of. The jury at trial heard Edmund Lawson QC ask Robert Boutflour whether he had cut his finger when handling the silencer, though the judge was wrong to underline Sheila's name and blood type on the sheet of paper which was passed to them after clarification was sought.
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2018, 10:34:PM »
Two silencers with blood inside of them, does not equate with these shootings being a one gun crime!

It has yet to be determined whether or not a third silencer was involved at the heart of the police investigation into these deaths, since DS Jones took possession of a silencer from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation, a silencer which had an exhibit reference of 'SBJ/1', which he removed from the scene of the tragedy and placed it on DCI Jones desk in his office at Witham police station for his attention!
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2018, 10:36:PM »
It has yet to be determined whether or not a third silencer was involved at the heart of the police investigation into these deaths, since DS Jones took possession of a silencer from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation, a silencer which had an exhibit reference of 'SBJ/1', which he removed from the scene of the tragedy and placed it on DCI Jones desk in his office at Witham police station for his attention!

Was this silencer ('SBJ/1') one of the two silencers found later on by David Boutflour, and handed over to police by Peter Eaton on the 12th August 1975, and by Ann Eaton on the 11th September 1985?
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2018, 10:42:PM »
Was this silencer ('SBJ/1') one of the two silencers found later on by David Boutflour, and handed over to police by Peter Eaton on the 12th August 1975, and by Ann Eaton on the 11th September 1985?

If so, it makes a mockery of the claim made by Essex police that they didn't find the silencer, but that 'it' was found by relatives and given to them!

The police did seize a silencer from the scene on the first morning of their investigation ('SBJ/1'), so if they put it back at the scene by the end of 9th August 1985, it begs the question why weren't the police interested in 'that' silencer ('SBJ/1) initially?
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2018, 10:49:PM »
If so, it makes a mockery of the claim made by Essex police that they didn't find the silencer, but that 'it' was found by relatives and given to them!

The police did seize a silencer from the scene on the first morning of their investigation ('SBJ/1'), so if they put it back at the scene by the end of 9th August 1985, it begs the question why weren't the police interested in 'that' silencer ('SBJ/1) initially?

This is where it starts to get interesting, because if there was no paint on that silencer ('SBJ/1') and no blood inside it, when it was seized by DS Jones, and it was returned to the farmhouse by Jones and Jones on 9th August 1985, and it was one or other of the two silencers recovered thereafter by the relatives, and handed over on one occasion by Peter Eaton on 12th August 1985, and on another occasion by his wife, Ann Eaton on the 11th September 1985, would it not be proven that the blood and the paint evidence associated with the two silencers must have been added post date the shooting tragedy, and the occasion on 7th August 1985, when DS Jones seized it ('SBJ/1') from the scene?
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2018, 10:53:PM »
Just as a matter of interest, DS Jones took possession of 4 items of evidential value from the Farmhouse on the first morning of the police investigation! These four exhibits, which included a silencer, were given the following exhibit references, 'SBJ/4', 'SBJ/3', 'SBJ/2', and 'SBJ/1'...
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2018, 10:56:PM »
Just as a matter of interest, DS Jones took possession of 4 items of evidential value from the Farmhouse on the first morning of the police investigation! These four exhibits, which included a silencer, were given the following exhibit references, 'SBJ/4', 'SBJ/3', 'SBJ/2', and 'SBJ/1'...

The 1st silencer handed over to DS Jones by Peter Eaton on 12th August 1985, was originally given an exhibit reference 'SJ/1', which by 30th August 1985, had been altered into 'DB/1'...
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2018, 10:57:PM »
The 2nd silencer handed over to DC Oakey by Ann Eaton on 11th September 1985, was subsequently given the exhibit reference 'DRB/1'..
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2018, 11:00:PM »
If the silencer ('SBJ/1') seized by DS Jones from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation (7th August 1985) had blood and paint upon it, or inside it, why would 'it' be returned by Essex police to the farmhouse?
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2018, 11:02:PM »
If the silencer ('SBJ/1') seized by DS Jones from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation (7th August 1985) had blood and paint upon it, or inside it, why would 'it' be returned by Essex police to the farmhouse?

Such a course of action, would suggest that the cops knew about the use of at least one silencer in the shootings, and that they had known about this from the outset, otherwise, why bother to seize 'that' silencer ('SBJ/1') in the first instance?
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2018, 11:11:PM »
It suggests that cops must have known whether or not the silencer in question ('SBJ/1') had been attached to one or other of the two rifles used in the shooting of Sheila Caffell, and that they would have known from a very early stage that it would have been impossible to stage Sheila's death scene there on the main bedroom floor in possession of the rifle with its silencer attached, because the overall length of the weapon would have been too long to enable Sheila to have taken her own life - so, was this the reason why cops removed the silencer from the end of the barrel of the anshuzt rifle so that they could stage Sheila's death as a suicide? And, was this the reason why DS Jones took the silencer ('SBJ/1') away from the scene after it had been discarded?
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2018, 11:15:PM »
I pose the following suggestions for cobsideration:-

Did the 1st SOCO team consisting of DC Oakey and DC Henderson, photograph Sheila Caffell's body on the main bedroom floor in possession of the two different weapons involved in her shooting, at different stages? 
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Re: Guardian 21/9/18
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2018, 11:18:PM »
I am particularly interested in the mystery rifle that was captured in one of the crime scene photographs taken in the kitchen - since, what are the odds of a silencer, 'that' silencer ('SBJ/1') being fitted onto the end of its barrel in that particular Crime scene photograph?
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