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Offline JackieD

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #315 on: August 08, 2018, 08:58:PM »

Can we be clear, please. If someone tells the story of what they'd done in a court of law it's evidence. If they tell the same story to another person who then repeats it, it becomes hearsay. Surely that makes the same story both evidence and hearsay?

For FFS give it up and listen to the person who knows

I feel an apology is due for your bad behaviour
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #316 on: August 08, 2018, 08:59:PM »
 
   Thanks NGB, presumably Dumb and Dumber will be satisfied with this.
    Alternatively they may now cover a couple of pages with denunciations of your comprehension skills, calling you a supercilious prick, conspiracy theorist and an idiot who resides in NGB world.
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #317 on: August 08, 2018, 09:00:PM »
Here you go again usual garbage from you
Where exactly have I been banned from????
How many forums do you frequent????
As I said a sad existance

I write on TWO forums Jackie and you have been banned from here and the red forum - I'd get those memory problems checked out if I were you!

Even if my life were to sink so low, that I ended up on the streets, taking drugs and drinking meths, I would always have comfort in the knowledge that I wasn't you!  ;)
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #318 on: August 08, 2018, 09:00:PM »
  Now Now.
    How pathetic? You have spent pages abusing me and when, even you have to admit that you were wrong, you demean yourself with such graceless nonsense. If you had understood in the first place we wouldn't have needed this extended debate. Then I wouldn't have had to explain to you part of Key Stage 2 English.
   

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #319 on: August 08, 2018, 09:02:PM »
If you were to ask Bird and what he told you was then posted by you here that would be hearsay.  If you persuaded him to post here it would not be hearsay.  I do not want to complicate matters, but sometimes "hearsay upon hearsay" is referred to.   Referring to CAL's book is in that category.

Thank you for making that crystal clear
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #320 on: August 08, 2018, 09:06:PM »
If I persuaded him to post here, no one would believe it was him.

The book reference is good enough for me, I have no reason to believe that CAL would make up her sources and Bird is still alive to refute the claim. It would be a silly thing to do and it would ruin her reputation.

Thanks for clearing up the hearsay aspect, although I didn't introduce it and I don't believe it's even relevant to the original discussion but gringo seems to think we're in court.


I have got every reason to believe CAL would make stuff up.
She wanted to make money, a bit like the relatives who lied in court to try to swing the jury and Mugfords blood money from her now article
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #321 on: August 08, 2018, 09:07:PM »
Thank you for making that crystal clear
Well you lost me about 10 posts back..

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #322 on: August 08, 2018, 09:09:PM »

I have got every reason to believe CAL would make stuff up.
She wanted to make money, a bit like the relatives who lied in court to try to swing the jury and Mugfords blood money from her now article

You don't have the capacity for reason at all.
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #323 on: August 08, 2018, 09:09:PM »
Well you lost me about 10 posts back..

You couldn’t understand the barrister, I am surprised
Maybe a friend could help you out
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #324 on: August 08, 2018, 09:10:PM »
You don't have the capacity for reason at all.

Remind me how many forums do you spend your days on??? 
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #325 on: August 08, 2018, 09:14:PM »
Remind me how many forums do you spend your days on???

You only have to read a couple of posts back when you asked me the same question - like I said, memory problems!
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #326 on: August 08, 2018, 09:19:PM »
You only have to read a couple of posts back when you asked me the same question - like I said, memory problems!

You failed to reply, just want to know how you stimulate your mind spending most of your days on multiple forums. Your not related to Stephanie Hall are you
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #327 on: August 08, 2018, 09:25:PM »
You started with the insults but from what NGB posted, it would seem that 'hearsay' is a legal term which refers to court evidence. So what is the relevance of it here? We're not in court! It's simply a way for you to reject anything that comes back from CAL to support Bird having only acted as photographer twice!

Understood? If you have understood that COLP didn't actually call Bird himself a 'specialist; it would have ended a LOT sooner!
   Your failure to understand even the definition of hearsay doesn't bode well but here goes anyway.
     In the COLP interviews Bird is not asked the direct question, "Are you a specialist photographer?" This has led you to erroneously believe that this is evidence that he isn't a specialist. The whole interview makes pretty clear that he is exactly that though. Why would they ask such a pointless question?
     He does however concur with DS Young and Supt. McKay that crime scene photography is his specialist role. This role is referred to as a specialist role throughout the COLP interview which also refers to Bird's role as police photographer countless times. It is impossible to read the entire COLP interview without concluding that Bird is a specialist police crime scene photographer.
    You are asking us to believe that Bird, despite concurring that his role as photographer was "his specialist role", several times, does not believe himself to be a specialist.
    By inference Bird is a specialist and everyone can see this.
    CAL does not herself claim that it was Bird's second ever time in the role. She paraphrases in such an otherwise needlessly ambiguous way, that the discerning reader (not you) immediately recognises possible intention to mislead. NGB, as a legal professional, will certainly recognise what I am talking about. Seemingly unnecessary caveats on a sentence are not even particularly subtle and immediately raise questions to the informed reader.
    I am inclined to believe that CAL's caveat was not needless and that Bird had performed the role prior to being "engaged on the lab treatments".
    "The Bamber case was his second as photographer while he was engaged on the lab treatment"
    Why not,
    1) "The Bamber case was only his second ever as photographer", or even,
    2) "The Bamber case was his second as photographer since joining Essex Police."
    If it was indeed only Bird's second time in the role then both of these sentences are more appropriate.
The caveat, in my view, is intended to mislead the reader into inferring 1 or 2 whilst avoiding saying so.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #328 on: August 08, 2018, 09:29:PM »
You failed to reply, just want to know how you stimulate your mind spending most of your days on multiple forums. Your not related to Stephanie Hall are you

You do realise that technology moves right?
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #329 on: August 08, 2018, 09:31:PM »
You couldn’t understand the barrister, I am surprised
Maybe a friend could help you out
Wouldn't that be classed as hearsay..