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Offline lookout

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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2018, 04:25:PM »
I feel certain, that just like you hope Sheila's diaries say something which will convict her, you pray for Julie to commit a gross enough misdemeanour for her to be extradited and bought back here for questioning, as opposed to coming here freely as she now does?





That has nothing whatsoever to do with my thoughts at all. ;D

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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2018, 04:41:PM »




That has nothing whatsoever to do with my thoughts at all. ;D


That's really good to know ;D

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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2018, 06:26:PM »
We've all had dreams about what the future holds for us. How many of us have fulfilled those dreams? What, I wonder, were Jeremy's? Supporters have laid it on with a trowel how he loved the farming way of life and wanted nothing more than to follow Nevill. That part, at least when he was very small, as little boys tend to hero worship daddies, may have been true. I don't believe it lasted. So far, no one has actually worked out how much -how LITTLE- time Jeremy actually put into farming from the time he left full time education.

I can see him trailing round the farm with Nevill. I can hear Nevill inculcating him with an obligation to what the future held for him. Having a choice might have helped. Was there never any question in Nevill's mind about whether Jeremy A) wanted to farm B) was farming material? Jeremy may have reasoned that the financial compensations would make farming bearable. It would only be as he got older that he'd have fully realized that farming isn't a 9 to 5, 5 days a week job. This was work that would tie him. This would be his life. But the financial reward remained a big, fat, juicy carrot. At some point it seems that Jeremy had a fantasy in which he could have the rewards and side step the work.

So was his dream -other than- perhaps for a very short time, to be a farmer? Was it to be a nuclear physicist? A train driver? OR was it always about having enough money to live a playboy lifestyle without ever having to work?
He was a Walter Mitty character who knew what he didn't want more than what he wanted. He might have taken to deep sea diving in New Zealand but became bitter when he wasn't accepted on the course and this was just another reason to blame June for dropping him on the head as a baby. He felt his parents owed him (remember the remark to Julie: "they have forfeited their lives for how they have treated me".

Given that he had rejected Nevill as a role model and the relationship with June faltered when he started courting, then she was readmitted to St. Andrew's, he became influenced by the youth role models of the time (Adam Ant spring to mind), and the soft drugs culture which pervaded the London clubs of the 1980s. It's a tragic irony that neither parents listen to their son's needs: he might well have made a success of running a wine bar in a fashionable area of London, delegating the spade work to others as he approached middle age, or would the pretty birds have flown as the money petered out-who can tell?
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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2018, 06:54:PM »
He was a Walter Mitty character who knew what he didn't want more than what he wanted. He might have taken to deep sea diving in New Zealand but became bitter when he wasn't accepted on the course and this was just another reason to blame June for dropping him on the head as a baby. He felt his parents owed him (remember the remark to Julie: "they have forfeited their lives for how they have treated me".

Given that he had rejected Nevill as a role model and the relationship with June faltered when he started courting, then she was readmitted to St. Andrew's, he became influenced by the youth role models of the time (Adam Ant spring to mind), and the soft drugs culture which pervaded the London clubs of the 1980s. It's a tragic irony that neither parents listen to their son's needs: he might well have made a success of running a wine bar in a fashionable area of London, delegating the spade work to others as he approached middle age, or would the pretty birds have flown as the money petered out-who can tell?

Walter Mitty is an apt description, Steve. However, in his defense, when all one's choice is so limited almost everything seems like a better alternative. We must remember that other than a good -Ok, expensive- but basic education, he had no qualifications. He had to rely on a plummy accent and Hugh Grant type charm to get by, hence, the unskilled work he gravitated to. It's very likely that the deep sea diving course would have failed, regardless, as self discipline seems not to have been something he benefited from having. The childhood injury may have been a convenient get out. And a stick to beat June with.

I think the Adam Ant era was probably Jeremy's Hey Day. It may have signified a personal freedom for him that he'd never previously experienced. I think that in hosting a wine bar -doing little but looking masculine/effete and glamourous- he may have found his niche, but he would probably have been better at spending money than ensuring that it didn't run out.   

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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2018, 07:04:PM »
Walter Mitty is an apt description, Steve. However, in his defense, when all one's choice is so limited almost everything seems like a better alternative. We must remember that other than a good -Ok, expensive- but basic education, he had no qualifications. He had to rely on a plummy accent and Hugh Grant type charm to get by, hence, the unskilled work he gravitated to. It's very likely that the deep sea diving course would have failed, regardless, as self discipline seems not to have been something he benefited from having. The childhood injury may have been a convenient get out. And a stick to beat June with.

I think the Adam Ant era was probably Jeremy's Hey Day. It may have signified a personal freedom for him that he'd never previously experienced. I think that in hosting a wine bar -doing little but looking masculine/effete and glamourous- he may have found his niche, but he would probably have been better at spending money than ensuring that it didn't run out.
You see the wine bar might have been his own idea, and had his parents put up the capital for it and he failed at least it would have been his failure. That might have been a turning point in his relationship with them ,instead of him perceiving that they had packed him off to school for eight years because they didn't really want him, they ordered him home at a certain time from Julie's Hall of Residence because they wanted to control his social life, similarly they engineered a split from Suzette because they deemed her unsuitable, the concomitant stress causing her the miscarriages.

People do get their own back, though most thankfully not to the extremes Jeremy went to. Sometimes it's daughters making excuses not to let their mothers see their grandchildren, it's sons moving away from their parents, making excuses not to see them at Christmas or other social occasions. What could Jeremy do in his situation: he wore make-up to work, he never put a shirt on at weekends at the Chequers, he refused to work the crop sprayer and he put rats in June's car. For most families the animosity would stop there.

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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2018, 07:22:PM »
You see the wine bar might have been his own idea, and had his parents put up the capital for it and he failed at least it would have been his failure. That might have been a turning point in his relationship with them ,instead of him perceiving that they had packed him off to school for eight years because they didn't really want him, they ordered him home at a certain time from Julie's Hall of Residence because they wanted to control his social life, similarly they engineered a split from Suzette because they deemed her unsuitable, the concomitant stress causing her the miscarriages.

People do get their own back, though most thankfully not to the extremes Jeremy went to. Sometimes it's daughters making excuses not to let their mothers see their grandchildren, it's sons moving away from their parents, making excuses not to see them at Christmas or other social occasions. What could Jeremy do in his situation: he wore make-up to work, he never put a shirt on at weekends at the Chequers, he refused to work the crop sprayer and he put rats in June's car. For most families the animosity would stop there.

Steve, I wonder if it's less about people getting revenge, than about learned behaviours getting repeated? I'm inclined to think that parents who've inculcated their children with a sense of duty and obligation, using money as a carrot, are likely to find that their adult children on visit as a last resort, usually to tap them up for money.

A wine bar MAY have been a success, but he wasn't given the chance. He hadn't been adopted to run a wine bar.

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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2018, 09:28:PM »
Steve, I wonder if it's less about people getting revenge, than about learned behaviours getting repeated? I'm inclined to think that parents who've inculcated their children with a sense of duty and obligation, using money as a carrot, are likely to find that their adult children on visit as a last resort, usually to tap them up for money.

A wine bar MAY have been a success, but he wasn't given the chance. He hadn't been adopted to run a wine bar.

If he wanted to run a wine bar, he could have worked his way up through doing bar work. Problems is, he wanted someone else to buy him a wine bar. I think the Bambers could have ran the farm without Jeremy, they didn't force him to hang around and the only reason he did, was because of the perks and the notion that it wouldn't be for long.
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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2018, 09:41:PM »
He wouldn't have had to have waited very long anyway with Grannie Speakman being frail.

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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2018, 11:13:PM »
If he wanted to run a wine bar, he could have worked his way up through doing bar work. Problems is, he wanted someone else to buy him a wine bar. I think the Bambers could have ran the farm without Jeremy, they didn't force him to hang around and the only reason he did, was because of the perks and the notion that it wouldn't be for long.
I think that's a bit unfair Caroline. Sheila had the Maida Vale flat and the offer of an antiques shop. Jeremy could have been offered a wine bar of his own to manage.

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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2018, 11:26:PM »
He wouldn't have had to have waited very long anyway with Grannie Speakman being frail.

Who left her cash to June and Pam - how would that help him?
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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2018, 11:27:PM »
I think that's a bit unfair Caroline. Sheila had the Maida Vale flat and the offer of an antiques shop. Jeremy could have been offered a wine bar of his own to manage.

Offer of and Antique Shop? Since when?
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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2018, 11:55:PM »
Offer of and Antique Shop? Since when?
Well it was mooted by June I think just after Sheila came out of St. Andrew's the second time. Of course she was far too sick to manage a business like that day-to-day. I'm only giving Jeremy a modicum of sympathy in the very early days when he was working at Sloppy Joes and I'm guessing with no malice aforethought at that stage. Of course as things stand now I take Colin's wish on board that he should never be released.
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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2018, 12:40:AM »
Well it was mooted by June I think just after Sheila came out of St. Andrew's the second time. Of course she was far too sick to manage a business like that day-to-day. I'm only giving Jeremy a modicum of sympathy in the very early days when he was working at Sloppy Joes and I'm guessing with no malice aforethought at that stage. Of course as things stand now I take Colin's wish on board that he should never be released.

No, I mean where did you read it?
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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2018, 12:52:AM »
No, I mean where did you read it?
I think it's contained within Ann Eaton's 60-odd page statement. I'll have another look if I can lay my hands on it.

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Re: What WAS Jeremy's Ultimate Aim In Life?
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2018, 10:30:AM »
Who left her cash to June and Pam - how would that help him?






From June's share-----there'd been nothing stopping her from doing what she'd wished with her share.