Viva Les Differences

[guest154]

The diaries haven't been withheld and Jeremy's legal team had copies.

Sh! You're spoiling the conspiracy!

[Jane]

Your " life to mean life " is of no consolation to the families of victims of murder. It's THEY who suffer the life sentence !!

As for " taking the life of someone terminally ill " is an entirely different approach as their life is already taken by whatever ails them. It's a case of freeing the patient from the chronic pain they're suffering, or would you rather them be left screaming and dying in agony in front of you ?


The lack of trust falls within the visibly shoddy work of EP and forensics alike plus refusals of anything that showed Jeremy in a good light, such as the many testimonials by those who knew/know him. Handwritten statements which were altered or edited out. All documented.

I'm not sure it's the reasons for our thinking that's in question. One of us thinks they COULD kill. The other is convinced they couldn't. I suspect there are thing to be said, both for and against, each mindset.

I agree that EP didn't do their finest work but for the first few hours they were working under Jeremy's sole direction and he was directing them towards what he wanted them to see. IF they later chose to show him as something less that a bereft son, I'd have felt inclined to call it pay-back for wasting their time and making idiots of them, BUT, things had become revealed about his character, within a month, which they hadn't been aware of at the time. Believe me, the didn't HAVE to show him in a bad light. He did every bit of it for himself. I have no idea of who are these miyiads who believe him innocent. Of the numerous -although diminishing numbers- that surround me there is ONE who's unsure. The other -my cousin's co-in law, a vicar- thinks he's probably innocent. I find it strange that there are no others -when you say there are SO many- who think him innocent. In fact my own, but very poor- calculations have the ratio now as being comparable to that of the jury.  As for the almost incalculable amount of statements "which were altered or edited out".................? There are alleged to be way too many to make conspiracy believable.

[Jane]

Sh! You're spoiling the conspiracy!

So now the diaries have be explained and ruled out, another point must be found.

[lookout]

They were in Sheila's flat - so wrong again!

So where are they now ?

[lookout]

So I guess that leaves Jeremy, Brett or the police, maybe Julie? to find them. If they said what supporters hope they did, Jeremy, Brett and Julie, who I'm certain would have read them, would surely have been falling over each other to get them to the police as fast as possible. However, ONE thing springs to my notice. Sheila clearly wasn't such an avid diary writer as we're led to believe, or she wouldn't have gone away for 4 nights without them.

I'd already said that the police handed them over to the relatives 

[lookout]

I'm not sure it's the reasons for our thinking that's in question. One of us thinks they COULD kill. The other is convinced they couldn't. I suspect there are thing to be said, both for and against, each mindset.

I agree that EP didn't do their finest work but for the first few hours they were working under Jeremy's sole direction and he was directing them towards what he wanted them to see. IF they later chose to show him as something less that a bereft son, I'd have felt inclined to call it pay-back for wasting their time and making idiots of them, BUT, things had become revealed about his character, within a month, which they hadn't been aware of at the time. Believe me, the didn't HAVE to show him in a bad light. He did every bit of it for himself. I have no idea of who are these miyiads who believe him innocent. Of the numerous -although diminishing numbers- that surround me there is ONE who's unsure. The other -my cousin's co-in law, a vicar- thinks he's probably innocent. I find it strange that there are no others -when you say there are SO many- who think him innocent. In fact my own, but very poor- calculations have the ratio now as being comparable to that of the jury.  As for the almost incalculable amount of statements "which were altered or edited out".................? There are alleged to be way too many to make conspiracy believable.

There would be no need for conspiracies if EP had used their brains.

[lookout]

Sh! You're spoiling the conspiracy!

Where's your input then ?

[guest154]

Where's your input then ?

What more is there to add? If they were available to the defence then they were available to the defence and anything you're saying can't be true - it MUST be wrong. If you want to continue promoting your "truth" feel free but's it's shady.

[guest154]

So now the diaries have be explained and ruled out, another point must be found.

You'd think. But I think the diaries will still be used and the fact that the defence had them available to them will be ignored and Caroline will keep having to point it out month after month.

[Jane]

You'd think. But I think the diaries will still be used and the fact that the defence had them available to them will be ignored and Caroline will keep having to point it out month after month.

The only way to keep this story going and to keep it in the public domain is to push conspiracy theories. When one gets debunked, another must be found or a new slant put on old ones. It's far and away more interesting to believe information vital to Jeremy's freedom has been squirreled away than to believe that what we have is all there is.

[Jane]

There would be no need for conspiracies if EP had used their brains.

What do you suppose they might have done differently, Lookout? Supposing -tough guys that they were- they'd dismissed what Jeremy was telling them, broken in, only to cause WHAT? I think Jeremy played it brilliantly between urging them to break in alternated with Sheila's gun competency, her madness and her children. It was Jeremy's show. He, and he alone, had control until anyone chose to go against it. Given what was at stake, would YOU have been the person willing to take responsibility for -POSSIBLY- an entire family, most certainly for the lives of your comrades?

[Jane]

So where are they now ?

Is that relevant? They've clearly been read. Their contents deemed unnecessary to the case.

[lookout]

Is that relevant? They've clearly been read. Their contents deemed unnecessary to the case.

And you think the diaries are of no use ? When clearly such a small item in the Glfoyle case led to his release ? You should study these cases more.

You'd have had a different slant on the diaries if they'd contained accusations against Jeremy------that would have been different diaries or not.

[Jane]

And you think the diaries are of no use ? When clearly such a small item in the Glfoyle case led to his release ? You should study these cases more.

You'd have had a different slant on the diaries if they'd contained accusations against Jeremy------that would have been different diaries or not.

What are you suggesting here, Lookout. Do you think the police employed a cat burglar to break into Sheila's flat to retrieve an item they didn't know existed? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GILFOYLE CASE. Now, thus far, you've had them found by relatives, handled by relatives, presumably read by relatives. I'll ask you again what you believe were the chances of them giving ANYTHING to the police which might have made Sheila culpable having, according to you, done their damdest to incriminate Jeremy. You don't know what was in them, you appear determined, though, that they HAD to have incriminated Sheila, who hadn't made an entry for at least 4 days.

[Caroline]

So where are they now ?

Who knows but Jeremy's legal team WILL have copies. Which goes to show that there is nothing in these diaries that support Sheila being the killer. People keep diaries to record their life and killing yourself and your kids is a pretty big event and yet it didn't make an entry. The last one was that she shouldn't have been nasty to Jeremy. Seems he had his revenge!