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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #180 on: August 04, 2018, 02:28:PM »
Why does it suggest that? It simply suggests that they didn't want interference.

If SJ said 'what if an innocent man goes to prison' (or words to that effect) then it doesn't sit well with him apparently suspecting Jeremy from day one.  If Bob Miller said it, then it would imply that Miller was still firmly on board with Taff Jones; and still at a stage where he is uninfluenced by the relatives' clamour.


How on earth do you know what may have been responsible for "doubt within the team" OR for how long it had been there. Do you believe ALL members of said team  A) only had one brain between them B) thought as they we instructed?

Reading this post, it's as if you have replied to a different post to mine.  :-\
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #181 on: August 04, 2018, 02:49:PM »
If SJ said 'what if an innocent man goes to prison' (or words to that effect) then it doesn't sit well with him apparently suspecting Jeremy from day one.  If Bob Miller said it, then it would imply that Miller was still firmly on board with Taff Jones; and still at a stage where he is uninfluenced by the relatives' clamour.

Reading this post, it's as if you have replied to a different post to mine.  :-\

That's your interpretation Roch - not theirs.
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #182 on: August 04, 2018, 02:51:PM »
If SJ said 'what if an innocent man goes to prison' (or words to that effect) then it doesn't sit well with him apparently suspecting Jeremy from day one.  If Bob Miller said it, then it would imply that Miller was still firmly on board with Taff Jones; and still at a stage where he is uninfluenced by the relatives' clamour.

Reading this post, it's as if you have replied to a different post to mine.  :-\

I've responded to what I believe to be your interpretation.

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #183 on: August 04, 2018, 03:01:PM »

How, exactly do you know that EP are withholding information given them by June's friends? There is a vast difference between looking for someone to do a bit of daycare for children during holidays and putting them into permanent foster care. The twins were NEVER the Bamber's responsibility.

I'm perfectly certain that whilst they believed that Sheila was responsible their conclusion would have been that Sheila was responsible. What else would it have been?

I think I've already explained my reasons for initially believing -wanting- Jeremy to be innocent. WHY would I have needed to agree with someone else's belief? Is that not something YOU say, repeatedly, of yourself? WHY, because I knew a policeman who was there at the time, have I not got evidence of his guilt!!!?  Isn't that rather like you MUST have proof of his innocence because you believe he's innocent!!! Really, Lookout. You really are a VERY stupid woman, sometimes.

So if I'm willing to accept that BW knew about fostering. Exactly WHAT sort of fostering was she talking about? She hasn't exactly earned herself a reputation as a reliable witness, has she? Might THAT be the reason her testimony has been kept under wraps, IF that's the case.

By the way. I'm not capable of making you look bad. You're more than capable of doing it, very proficiently, yourself.






Oh dear when all else fails I'm a " stupid woman " and the insults fly. Annoyed are you ??

Don't blame me for your own incompetence in not reading the case to suit your own mindset  ::)
The twins were the joint responsibility of the Bambers while staying at the farmhouse ! You've said  often enough that Sheila hadn't been capable of looking after herself never mind the twins ( to suit your agenda of course ) so while under the roof of her parents home it became a joint responsibility, or was June supposed to sit back while Sheila just sat around " lifeless ?"

How do I know if June was looking/asking around for sitters ? Because there are " hidden " statements from her friends saying so as I mentioned in my other post. EP deliberately disadvantaged the jury by leaving out BW's statement. As I'd already said that EP had known the issue of fostering to be true because it's on the Holmes.

So what else did your friend's husband say to change your mind-?---------I'm curious and NOT  "a stupid woman".

You certainly ARE capable of bringing out the worst in anyone except your own sort !!

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #184 on: August 04, 2018, 03:01:PM »





No-----it wasn't I'm sorry to say.

Would you like to revise that response Lookout? You got the information from Gillian's post which was copied from Jeremy's blog. It's here under page 1 of 8 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2545.msg78589.html#msg78589
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #185 on: August 04, 2018, 03:04:PM »
Oh dear when all else fails I'm a " stupid woman " and the insults fly. Annoyed are you ??

Don't blame me for your own incompetence in not reading the case to suit your own mindset  ::)
The twins were the joint responsibility of the Bambers while staying at the farmhouse ! You've said  often enough that Sheila hadn't been capable of looking after herself never mind the twins ( to suit your agenda of course ) so while under the roof of her parents home it became a joint responsibility, or was June supposed to sit back while Sheila just sat around " lifeless ?"

How do I know if June was looking/asking around for sitters ? Because there are " hidden " statements from her friends saying so as I mentioned in my other post. EP deliberately disadvantaged the jury by leaving out BW's statement. As I'd already said that EP had known the issue of fostering to be true because it's on the Holmes.

So what else did your friend's husband say to change your mind-?---------I'm curious and NOT  "a stupid woman".

You certainly ARE capable of bringing out the worst in anyone except your own sort !!

If they are hidden, how would you (of all people) know about it? And where are these people, why aren't they banging on doors and shouting from rooftops? Truth is, it's Jeremy who put this forward - once again - it's all coming from Jeremy!
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #186 on: August 04, 2018, 03:05:PM »
Would you like to revise that response Lookout? You got the information from Gillian's post which was copied from Jeremy's blog. It's here under page 1 of 8 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2545.msg78589.html#msg78589





It does state that JB didn't write the material as he didn't/hasn't got access to do so. If you read further posts they will explain.

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #187 on: August 04, 2018, 03:15:PM »




It does state that JB didn't write the material as he didn't/hasn't got access to do so. If you read further posts they will explain.

It's HIS response! And it states nothing of the sort, just that he didn't physically upload it to the internet.
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #188 on: August 04, 2018, 03:20:PM »
That's your interpretation Roch - not theirs.

Well how else would it be interpreted, either for SJ (whom it is consistently claimed suspected JB from the off) or for Miller (who apparently expressed 'disquiet' regarding the relatives' suspicions and eventually acquiesced to the change in investigation). 

It's not as if my interpretation/s lack reason.
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #189 on: August 04, 2018, 03:26:PM »
Well how else would it be interpreted, either for SJ (whom it is consistently claimed suspected JB from the off) or for Miller (who apparently expressed 'disquiet' regarding the relatives' suspicions and eventually acquiesced to the change in investigation). 

It's not as if my interpretation/s lack reason.

No but it is your interpretation. He may have simply wanted the relatives off his back, he may have been airing on the side of caution. Who know? Just him and he has stated that from the beginning, he thought Bamber was guilty and others have supported his claim.
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #190 on: August 04, 2018, 03:28:PM »





Oh dear when all else fails I'm a " stupid woman " and the insults fly. Annoyed are you ??

Don't blame me for your own incompetence in not reading the case to suit your own mindset  ::)
The twins were the joint responsibility of the Bambers while staying at the farmhouse ! You've said  often enough that Sheila hadn't been capable of looking after herself never mind the twins ( to suit your agenda of course ) so while under the roof of her parents home it became a joint responsibility, or was June supposed to sit back while Sheila just sat around " lifeless ?"

How do I know if June was looking/asking around for sitters ? Because there are " hidden " statements from her friends saying so as I mentioned in my other post. EP deliberately disadvantaged the jury by leaving out BW's statement. As I'd already said that EP had known the issue of fostering to be true because it's on the Holmes.

So what else did your friend's husband say to change your mind-?---------I'm curious and NOT  "a stupid woman".

You certainly ARE capable of bringing out the worst in anyone except your own sort !!

You're a crafty old so and so. I'll give you that. I guess you've had years of practice. Although you never said explicitly, the implication was very definitely that the Bambers were going to attempt to take the children. WHY would there be an argument re fostering -when the children were at the farm for only ONE more day before they left? Lookouty, Don't ask me "How am I supposed to know..............?" You claim to be the holder of much information that not for a moment do I believe you to be. It appears now, that when challenged on it, you deny having it.

As for my friend's husband. His words were "He's guilty as hell". Not dissimilar to your own intransigence regarding his innocence, really. Tell you what, next time I go to a seance, I'll ask him for more info.

As I said, it's high time you took responsibility for yourself and stopped looking for someone to dump it on.

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #191 on: August 04, 2018, 03:36:PM »
Would you like to revise that response Lookout? You got the information from Gillian's post which was copied from Jeremy's blog. It's here under page 1 of 8 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2545.msg78589.html#msg78589

Ooooh!! Wonder who's been feeding Lookout with information. We all know she's not to sharp on locating stuff....................and before it gets thrown back. I KNOW what are my short comings :)) :))

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« Reply #192 on: August 04, 2018, 03:38:PM »
Oh joy-------it's the reinforcement.  :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

It's not reinforemcents Lookouts, it's just that a few people are onto you and know when you're stating something that's not right.


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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #193 on: August 04, 2018, 03:48:PM »
I don't remember ever hearing of any statement from a friend of June stating she was looking for people to foster the twins. Sounds like a new creation to me. Prove me wrong and post it.

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #194 on: August 04, 2018, 03:49:PM »
I don't remember ever hearing of any statement from a friend of June stating she was looking for people to foster the twins. Sounds like a new creation to me. Prove me wrong and post it.

Because it's hidden  ;D ;D ;D
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