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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th
« Reply #92 on: July 29, 2018, 08:36:PM »
The evidence of the photographic specialist, Peter Sutherst, is supported by a large number of documents, which also prove that the scratches were made the following month, and not on the 7th August 1985.

No. The evidence from Peter Sutherst simply shows the scratches on the mantle shelf that appear on photos taken on the 10th of September do not appear on the photos taken on the 7th of August. Not that they were actually created on the 10th of September.

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th
« Reply #93 on: August 02, 2018, 09:55:AM »
No. The evidence from Peter Sutherst simply shows the scratches on the mantle shelf that appear on photos taken on the 10th of September do not appear on the photos taken on the 7th of August. Not that they were actually created on the 10th of September.

You are deliberately confusing the issue. Nobody thinks that the scratches were created on September 10th.

On the other hand to avoid the conclusion that the relatives signed fraudulent witness statements in which they claim to have noticed paint on the silencer when they first saw it, allegedly on August 10th, you have to accept that the paint must have got on it before they found it. Otherwise you must admit they were lying.


 
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Like the silencer the scratches weren't noticed/seen by EP on the 7th while investigating.Simples.

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My personal take on how the scratches were there was due to a struggle involving the rifle and an " ungainly " positioned silencer which had taken place on the night of the murders.

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This would account for the paint on the silencer and also the fact of where it was found as Sheila had only just started her rampage. 

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Like the silencer the scratches weren't noticed/seen by EP on the 7th while investigating.Simples.

Peter Sutherst evidence was rejected by the CCRC. But no definite reasons for the rejection have been given. It has been said that Peter Sutherst's evidence was "inconclusive."

I have heard this before from people hearing appeals. They might even say that the evidence in question is "relevant" and "credible" but not conclusive.

This article supports the main substance what I am claiming on this thread.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-new-analysis-of-unseen-174504
"Forensic expert Peter Sutherst, a veteran of examining crime scene photographs, can find no evidence of the mantlepiece scratch marks in pictures until 34 days AFTER the murders.

Sutherst examined dozens of negatives never shown to the jury.

He, says: My conclusion, drawn from examination of photographs taken from the time of the case, was that the marks had occurred something like a month later.”

The “chain of evidence” surrounding DRB/1 has also been called into question.

At trial it was labelled with the case number SC/786/85 but until September 7ththe case number was SC/688/85.

Bamber claims this proves the silencer DRB/1 was found much later than previously believed and has been “backdated”.

He argues that there were actually two silencers which were made to appear to be one and the evidence should have been ruled inadmissible."



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There seems to me to be no sense or logic in " finding " scratches a month later. The same as DB " finding " a silencer after 5 ? officers had searched the gun cupboard.
I don't buy any of these two " findings " and find it very difficult to reach any real conclusion that doesn't sound far-fetched.

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There seems to me to be no sense or logic in " finding " scratches a month later. The same as DB " finding " a silencer after 5 ? officers had searched the gun cupboard.
I don't buy any of these two " findings " and find it very difficult to reach any real conclusion that doesn't sound far-fetched.

They found the silencer after 3 days and the police did search the gun cupboard but A. they weren't looking for a silencer and B. they didn't look in the box - why would they?
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #100 on: August 03, 2018, 11:41:AM »
They found the silencer after 3 days and the police did search the gun cupboard but A. they weren't looking for a silencer and B. they didn't look in the box - why would they?
I would have thought it was the police's job to thoroughly search everywhere in the house.  No they would not be specifically looking for a silencer they should have been searching every inchour for anything which may have been relative.  All a bit slap dash in such a horrendous case.  Sounds as if they 'looked'  rather than searched.   Wonder why the relatives searched so thoroughly if the police had already done so. It all sounds at the least unconvincing and incompetent.   Taken together with the conflicting statements from the family and the  whole event is very difficult to accept imo

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #101 on: August 03, 2018, 11:42:AM »
They found the silencer after 3 days and the police did search the gun cupboard but A. they weren't looking for a silencer and B. they didn't look in the box - why would they?
I thought it was propped up against the box.

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #102 on: August 03, 2018, 11:52:AM »
I would have thought it was the police's job to thoroughly search everywhere in the house.  No they would not be specifically looking for a silencer they should have been searching every inchour for anything which may have been relative.  All a bit slap dash in such a horrendous case.  Sounds as if they 'looked'  rather than searched.   Wonder why the relatives searched so thoroughly if the police had already done so. It all sounds at the least unconvincing and incompetent.   Taken together with the conflicting statements from the family and the  whole event is very difficult to accept imo

 I'll accept it was probably a cursory look. What on earth would they have been searching for? After 3 days it was still a case od "It wuz Sheila wot dun it". The weapon used was there for all to see, lain across her person.

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #103 on: August 03, 2018, 12:03:PM »
Is there proof that it was the killer weapon just because it was found on her body ?

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #104 on: August 03, 2018, 12:06:PM »
I've been looking for confirmation and thought it was contained within this thread, but I've only found this so far: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861024&id=GoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2005,5924099&hl=en