For those who think the elements of the Jeremy Bamber case are unique

[Steve_uk]

..we have the man who wants to start afresh, the Julie Mugford figure and the scapegoat with mental health issues. https://youtu.be/pfUyN2F_Gik

[David1819]

Mark Winger put a lot of planning into the crime and its another case that first made me doubt JBs conviction. The two are very different for several reasons. 

Mark Winger = In prison because of police detective work.
Jeremy Bamber =  In prison because of a dodgy exhibit obtained by beneficiaries.

Mark Winger = engineers a home invasion and made it look like self defence.
Jeremy Bamber = apparently engineered a mass murder suicide in a house locked from the inside.

Mark Winger =  Nuclear Engineer. Has degree in nuclear physics and near genius IQ
Jeremy Bamber = Farmer. Has no qualifications and ? IQ


For Jeremy to be guilty, the amount of planning and skill required goes way beyond what Mark Winger done. Mark Winger is clever. JB by most accounts seems rather thick.

[Adam]

Similar to Nugs who has his visions & Lookout who has her 'gut feeling', David has his 'wrong statement' -  'Jeremy Bamber =  In prison because of a dodgy exhibit obtained by beneficiaries.'

Unlike Nugs & Lookout who ignore source requests & evidence, David will post pictures, banners, 'gish gash', abuse & diagrams whenever non silencer evidence is posted. There is only allowed to be one piece of evidence on a man who has a life sentance in David's world.  

Anyway, keep saying it, you may actually believe it one day.

[Adam]

Forensic evidence only - 

1. Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

2. One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA 

3. Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE. 

4. Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA. 

5. No broken nails - Not disputed COA. 

6. Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA. 

7. No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA. 

8. No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA. 

9. No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA. 

10. No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA. 

11. Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.

12. No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA. 

13. No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

14. Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA. 

15. Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA. 

16. Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - BAMBER

17. No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

18. No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST. 

19. Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA. 

20. No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA. 

21. No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA. 

22. No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA. 

23. No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST. 

24. Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - FORUM. 

25. Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT. 

26. Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT. 

27. Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT. 

28. Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS. 

29. Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS. 

30. Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. . 

31. Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

32. Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

33. No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

34. Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA. 

35. Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA. 

36. A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

37. Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE. 

38. Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA. 

39. Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE. 

40. Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA. 

41. Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER. 

42. Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - 20 SOURCES IN THE LIBRARY. 

43. No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM. 

44. Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK. 

45. Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

46. Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS. 

47. June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA. 

48. Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME. 

49. 2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT. 

50. The twins not waking - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

51. Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

52. Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL. 

53. Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS. 

54. No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM. 

55. Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - BAMBER. 

56. Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER. 

57. Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.

58. Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - BAMBER. 

59. Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO. 

60. Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.  

61. Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - BAMBER. 

62. Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

63. Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER

64. Housekeeper evidence of items around the sink being moved - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK

65. Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.

66. Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.

67. Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - CRIME SCENE PICTURES.  

68. Dried blood on Sheila - PATHOLOGIST. 

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Have no time to create a list of circumstantial evidence. 

Go on David, post your 'gish gash' quote. It's only sourced evidence.

[Steve_uk]

Mark Winger put a lot of planning into the crime and its another case that first made me doubt JBs conviction. The two are very different for several reasons. 

Mark Winger = In prison because of police detective work.
Jeremy Bamber =  In prison because of a dodgy exhibit obtained by beneficiaries.

Mark Winger = engineers a home invasion and made it look like self defence.
Jeremy Bamber = apparently engineered a mass murder suicide in a house locked from the inside.

Mark Winger =  Nuclear Engineer. Has degree in nuclear physics and near genius IQ
Jeremy Bamber = Farmer. Has no qualifications and ? IQ


For Jeremy to be guilty, the amount of planning and skill required goes way beyond what Mark Winger done. Mark Winger is clever. JB by most accounts seems rather thick.

Well you don't need to be a nuclear engineer to shoot dead your elderly parents, twin six-year-old boys asleep in their beds and a former psychiatric patient with chronic schizophrenia. You conveniently forget the DeAnn Schulz/Julie Mugford comparison, the feeding of Police their own version of events, the dissention in the ranks (Williamson/Stan Jones), the relatives turned away by Police, knowing full well the vulnerable individual who became the scapegoat could never have committed the crime.