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'Houston, we have a problem'...

Cops present the shooting tragedy as a one gun crime, the gun in question supposedly being the family owned Anshuzt rifle, a .22 semi-automatic gun, it has a telescopic site, it has a Parker Hale Silencer, it has one ammunition magazine which can hold a maximum of 10 live rounds!

Yet...

Despite the claim that Sheila (or her accomplice) must have reloaded the gun with fresh live rounds on no less than two further occasions, why is it, that not a single bullet case has got a set of 'follower Plate marks' upon them?
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'Houston, we have a problem's...

Cops present the shooting tragedy as a one gun crime, the gun in question supposedly being the family owned Anshuzt rifle, a .22 semi-automatic gun, it has a telescopic site, it has a Parker Hale Silencer, it has one ammunition magazine which can hold a maximum of 10 live rounds!

Yet...

Despite the claim that Sheila (or her accomplice) must have reloaded the gun with fresh live rounds on no less than two further occasions, why is it, that not a single bullet case has got a set of 'follower Plate marks' upon them?

An absence of not a solitary 'follower Plate marks' on any of the batch of 25 spent cartridge cases, is extremely worrying!
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Just to hit the nail on the head, so to speak - let's say that by the time Jeremy left the farmhouse at about 9.30pm on the previous evening, that he had left the magazine fully loaded (Let's assume he did this innocently)...

Well, the way I see it, there was a full magazine left attached to the gun, which compromised of 10 live rounds!

Alternatively, and in addition to a full ammunition magazine being full, there was also a live round sat in the breach of the weapon (so, possibility that the shooter might have had a total of 11 live rounds at her or his disposal before there was a need to reload! Thirdly, perhaps the ammunition magazine was not fully loaded, but instead, it had either 9 rounds in its magazine, or 8 rounds in the magazine, and one in the breech, 9 in total!

Wouldn't this correspond with the (9) 'nearly whole bullets' recovered from the bodies of the victims with use of the anshuzt rifle?

Sounds like a good proposal to me..

Then, 14 bullets fired via the second rifle (to which the original 14 spent cartridges (MDF/100), refers) - 23 shots in total fired by Sheila, herself, and or, Sheila and her accomplice..

It's all taking shape now, 7 of the whole bullets too heavy, and the other five whole bullets too light, for any of these 12 whole bullets to have been selected by the shooter from the box of 50 Eley subsonic hollow point ammunition, of which 29 were tipped out into the kitchen worktop (with one live round still in the box tray!

« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 02:01:PM by mike tesko »
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Just to hit the nail on the head, so to speak - let's say that by the time Jeremy left the farmhouse at about 9.30pm on the previous evening, that he had left the magazine fully loaded (Let's assume he did this innocently)...

Well, the way I see it, there was a full magazine left attached to the gun, which compromised of 10 live rounds!

Alternatively, and in addition to a full ammunition magazine being full, there was also a live round sat in the breach of the weapon (so, possibility that the shooter might have had a total of 11 live rounds at her or his disposal before there was a need to reload! Thirdly, perhaps the ammunition magazine was not fully loaded, but instead, it had either 9 rounds in its magazine, or 8 rounds in the magazine, and one in the breech, 9 in total!

Wouldn't this correspond with the (9) 'nearly whole bullets' recovered from the bodies of the victims with use of the anshuzt rifle?

Sounds like a good proposal to me..


So, Let's, just for the sake of it locate the wounds inflicted by these 9 nearly whole bullets, and of course identify the location inside the farmhouse where these (9) shots were received by the victims (remember that the two shots to Sheila, were 'whole bullets' and therefore do not fall to be taken into account of)...
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So, Let's, just for the sake of it locate the wounds inflicted by these 9 nearly whole bullets, and of course identify the location inside the farmhouse where these (9) shots were received by the victims (remember that the two shots to Sheila, were 'whole bullets' and therefore do not fall to be taken into account of)...

In point of fact, although there were (9) nearly whole bullets recovered from the bodies of victims or from the scene itself,  all but one (DRH/9) were recovered during autopsy by Peter Venezis. It is very interesting to note, that 5 of these did not have narrow lands, but had corresponding rifling marks, when compared to markings found on test fired control ammunition in the anshuzt rifle! 4 other bullets did not have any lands, or rifling marks! Only one of these (9) bullets had all 8 landscape grooves!

Here we can see the recorded bullet weights of these (9) nearly whole bullets:-

(1) - PV/3 - 1.9368grms (Neville Bamber)
(2) - PV/8 - 1.63grms (Neville Bamber)
(3) - PV/11 - 1.93grms (Neville Bamber)
(4) - PV/25 - 1.79grms (June Bamber)
(5) - PV/26 - 1.7783grms (June Bamber)
(6) - PV/30 - 2.03grms (twin)
(7) - PV/34 - 1.7972grms (twin)
(8) - PV/36 - 2.03grms (twin)
(9) - DRH/9 - 1.67grms (main bedroom)
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In point of fact, although there were (9) nearly whole bullets recovered from the bodies of victims or from the scene itself,  all but one (DRH/9) were recovered during autopsy by Peter Venezis. It is very interesting to note, that 5 of these did not have narrow lands, but had corresponding rifling marks, when compared to markings found on test fired control ammunition in the anshuzt rifle! 4 other bullets did not have any lands, or rifling marks! Only one of these (9) bullets had all 8 landscape grooves!

Here we can see the recorded bullet weights of these (9) nearly whole bullets:-

(1) - PV/3 - 1.9368grms (Neville Bamber)
(2) - PV/8 - 1.63grms (Neville Bamber)
(3) - PV/11 - 1.93grms (Neville Bamber)
(4) - PV/25 - 1.79grms (June Bamber)
(5) - PV/26 - 1.7783grms (June Bamber)
(6) - PV/30 - 2.03grms (twin)
(7) - PV/34 - 1.7972grms (twin)
(8) - PV/36 - 2.03grms (twin)
(9) - DRH/9 - 1.67grms (main bedroom)

On this approach, there were insufficient bullets loaded in the first instance by Jeremy, into the anshuzt rifle, to kill both Neville and June Bamber outright if it was a one gun crime, because the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th bullets killed Neville Bamber, and the 6th and 7th shots killed June Bamber - there must have been a second shooter involved, a two gun crime, with two silencers, and a mixture of different types of .22 ammunition..
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On this approach, there were insufficient bullets loaded in the first instance by Jeremy, into the anshuzt rifle, to kill both Neville and June Bamber outright if it was a one gun crime, because the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th bullets killed Neville Bamber, and the 6th and 7th shots killed June Bamber - there must have been a second shooter involved, a two gun crime, with two silencers, and a mixture of different types of .22 ammunition..

The Bamber ammunition, mixed in with a variety of different types of .22 ammunition belonging to Anthony Pargeter!
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Now...

Let's look at the 12 'Whole Bullets'  and see to whom they relate too, in which location inside the farmhouse ( bearing in mind that in the records Sheila must have been the female body downstairs in the kitchen between 7.35am to at least 8.10am):-

The 7 Heavy Whole Bullets (*)and 5 light Bullets (**)..

(1) - DRH/35(a) 2.44grns (pillow, main bedroom) * .22 LR Bullet
(2) - DRH/35(b) 2.43grms (pillow, main bedroom)* .22 LR Bullet
(3) - PV/2  2.4267grms (Neville Bamber) * .22 LR Bullet
(4) - PV/4 2.0999grms (Neville Bamber) **
(5) - PV/19 - 2.16grms (Sheila Caffell) **
(6) - PV/20 - 1.5453grms (Sheila Caffell) **
(7) - PV/23 - 2.29grms (June Bamber) * .22 LR Bullet
(8) - PV/24 - 2.4208grms (June Bamber) *
(9) - PV/29 - 2.13grms ( twin ) **
(10) - PV /31 - 2.1223grms (twin) **
(11) - DRH/5 - 2.42grms (main bedroom floor) *
(12) - DRH/36 - 2.42grms (twins room) * .22 LR Bullet
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The other thing worthy of note, is the fact that there are only 9 of the 25 bullets which are described as .22 LR's, all the other 16 are either described as bullets, fragment of a bullet, or part of a bullet...

.22 LR Bullets

(1) - DRH/35(a) - 2.44grms - 'whole' (pillow main bedroom)
(2) - DRH/35 (b) - 2.43grms - 'Whole' (pillow main bedroom)
(3) - PV/2 - 2.4267grms - 'Whole' (Neville Bamber)
(4) - PV/23 - 2.29grms - 'whole' (June Bamber)
(5) - PV/30 - 2.03grms - 'Nearly Whole' (twin)
(6) - PV/36 - 2.03grms - 'Nearly Whole' (twin)
(7) - DRH/5 - 2.42grms - 'Whole' (on main bedroom floor near to door)
(8) - DRH/9 - 1.67grms - 'Nearly Whole' (on main bedroom floor near to door)
(9) - DRH/36 - 2.42grms - 'Whole' (in twins room)
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The upshot of all this is that Police replaced a fragmented bullet with a whole one to shore up their case against Jeremy Bamber.

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The upshot of all this is that Police replaced a fragmented bullet with a whole one to shore up their case against Jeremy Bamber.
Steve_uk, that part is true, yes - but I think there is more to it, than simply swapping over the original PV/20 and replacing it with a whole test fired control round (part of DRH/42), I think the cops didn't so much swap over any of the other 24 bullets, hence why we see the distinguished pattern involving a variety of differently described bullets, and corresponding weights! To my mind, cops only introduced the replacement PV/20 so that they could get the ballistic expert to conclude that Sheila was shot twice by the same gun, when in fact she had not been. Sheila was shot with the use of two different guns, one of them being the family owned Anshuzt rifle! No guessing which was the other rifle that was used to shoot her earlier?

The. Cops must also have swapped over a corresponding bullet case (DRH/1 or DRH/2) to conceal evidence that the round had been loaded into the magazine of the other gun, loaded into the breech of that gun, and manually ejected by operation of that rifles bolt, as opposed to the 2nd shot which killed Sheila in the main bedroom, which was loaded into the ammunition magazine of the anshuzt rifle, into its breach, and automatically extracted and ejected from the anshuzt rifle!

Seems to me, that since cops went to the trouble of turning Sheila's death into a one gun crime, that they would have eliminated the corresponding spent cartridge case that would have been extracted and ejected manually from the .22 bolt action rifle,. They would have needed to swap at least either DRH/1 or DRH/2, by removing the original spent cartridge case linked to the bolt action rifle, replacing it with  test fired control spent cartridge case, so that it looked like to all intents and purposes, the same rifle had fired both of the shots which contributed towards killing Sheila!

Now, I know with 100% certainty that two different rifles were used in the shooting of Sheila, and that the contents of the timed police radio message logs (7.35am to 8.10am) relate to the circumstances regarding how Sheila was shot and presumed killed downstairs in the kitchen!

The witness statement version of the events, as told by police officers, who purported to have first come upon her body on the bedroom floor is totally false, albeit the truth is that that was where she did eventually die!
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Steve_uk, that part is true, yes - but I think there is more to it, than simply swapping over the original PV/20 and replacing it with a whole test fired control round (part of DRH/42), I think the cops didn't so much swap over any of the other 24 bullets, hence why we see the distinguished pattern involving a variety of differently described bullets, and corresponding weights! To my mind, cops only introduced the replacement PV/20 so that they could get the ballistic expert to conclude that Sheila was shot twice by the same gun, when in fact she had not been. Sheila was shot with the use of two different guns, one of them being the family owned Anshuzt rifle! No guessing which was the other rifle that was used to shoot her earlier?

The. Cops must also have swapped over a corresponding bullet case (DRH/1 or DRH/2) to conceal evidence that the round had been loaded into the magazine of the other gun, loaded into the breech of that gun, and manually ejected by operation of that rifles bolt, as opposed to the 2nd shot which killed Sheila in the main bedroom, which was loaded into the ammunition magazine of the anshuzt rifle, into its breach, and automatically extracted and ejected from the anshuzt rifle!

Seems to me, that since cops went to the trouble of turning Sheila's death into a one gun crime, that they would have eliminated the corresponding spent cartridge case that would have been extracted and ejected manually from the .22 bolt action rifle,. They would have needed to swap at least either DRH/1 or DRH/2, by removing the original spent cartridge case linked to the bolt action rifle, replacing it with  test fired control spent cartridge case, so that it looked like to all intents and purposes, the same rifle had fired both of the shots which contributed towards killing Sheila!

Now, I know with 100% certainty that two different rifles were used in the shooting of Sheila, and that the contents of the timed police radio message logs (7.35am to 8.10am) relate to the circumstances regarding how Sheila was shot and presumed killed downstairs in the kitchen!

The witness statement version of the events, as told by police officers, who purported to have first come upon her body on the bedroom floor is totally false, albeit the truth is that that was where she did eventually die!

I have uncovered almost everything that the cops did to make these killings into a one gun crime, not only the stated fact that they tampered with one of the two bullets (PV/20), and it's corresponding spent cartridge case (either DRH/1 or DRH/2), but also that there was widescale tampering with at least 14 other original spent cartridge cases, all loaded into the magazine's of the other rifle, loaded into the breach of that gun, fired, and manually extracted and ejected manually by the shooter operating the bolt action. These other 14 bullet cases belonged to the other 14 bullets fired during the incident either by Sheila, and or Sheila and her accomplice! These 14 original bullet cases would have all got the magazine markings of the other gun, which would be different to the magazine markings and extractor and ejection marks on the other 9 rounds loaded, fired extracted and ejected via the anshuzt .22 semi-automatic rifle!

Another tell tale sign that cops did this to turn this investigation into a one gun crime, after their ploy to take the case through the Coroner's Court system as four murders and a suicide, is the variety of different types of .22 ammunition used in these shootings, which could not possibly have originated from the same batch of Eley .22 LR Subsonic Hollow point ammunition, because of the incompatible weights involved! The Bambers only ever purchased 500 rounds of the .22 Eley LR Hollow Point Ammunition, but Anthony Pargeter had purchased a wide variety of different types of .22 ammunition which was kept at the farmhouse in the downstairs toilet! In total, to my calculation, cops switched a total of 15 spent cartridge cases, removing the 15  linked to the .22 bolt action rifle, and replacing these with test fired control cartridge cases, which had been loaded and fired using the anshuzt rifle!

14 of these 15 original bullet cases, remain in storage at Huntingdon Laboratory, under the exhibit reference, of 'MDF/100'. I know this to be true, because RENSHAW divulged this information to us in 2004!

The other spent cartridge case (which would have originally been either 'DRH/1' or 'DRH/2', was destroyed by Essex police (hence why only 14 of the original 15 bullet cases linking the shootings to the .22 bolt action rifle currently still exist!
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My research into the vaults of information has enabled me to expose the prosecution's ballistic expert Malcolm Fletcher as a damn right incorrigible crook!

He made witness statements, and has testified by making out that he did not perform any test firing of control ammunition, with the anshuzt rifle, until on the 20th September 1985, the 25th September 1985, and the 1st October 1985. Stating that prior to these occasions he did not know when the anshuzt rifle had last been fired!

Well, according to Lab 'General Examination Records, connected individually to the batches of 25 crime scene bullets, and the 25 crime scene spent cartridge cases (50 individual records), he has lied, and lied, and he has lied!

Contained on many of these records is that astonishing discovery, that on the 12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985, that Fletcher carried out comparison tests between each of these 50 pieces of crime scene ammunition, using a control round that had been test fired in the anshuzt rifle! These damning records establish that Fletcher must be and is a conspirators in this matter! Since, far from his cry that prior to the 20th September 1975 when he says he first test fired the anshuzt rifle with control ammunition and that he did not know when beforehand the anshuzt rifle had last been fired, of course he knew, otherwise how could he have made all those comparison tests on the 12th, 13th, 18th, and the 19th September 1985?

More alarmingly..

His signature appears on these records which he also dated, 12th, 13th, 18th and the 19th September 1985!

The guy has to be a crook!

On top of all of this, and in an attempt to try and conceal his involvement in this act of state agreed corruption, he purposefully did not attribute the 29 control rounds (which formed part and parcel of exhibit DRH/42), with individual exhibit references of his own, so that a full and proper record could be produced regarding the test firing of each individual control round. Failure to adopt this fundamental practice enabled either himself, or others, to use 15 of those 29 spent control test fired rounds, in a 'switch operation', as described earlier, so that the case could be proceeded with as a one gun crime, when the truth in this matter, is that it was a two gun crime!
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For the record, the prosecution's ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher produced only one official exhibit as part of the prosecution's case against Jeremy Bamber, that being 'MDF/1' a cloth pull through of the anshuzt rifles barrel, a test which yeilded 'no blood' found on the lining of the guns barrel, carried out by Fletcher according to his evidence, on the 12th September 1985...

This is astounding!!!

I shall report to you all why I am saying that this claim is astounding, nay it's absolutely astounding...

It's 'astounding' because it wasn't until another ballistic expert, Mr RENSHAW, (2004) conducted a series of tests at Birdwell Armoury (formerly known as junction 36 gun club), we learned shortly after these tests had been conducted, about a second exhibit, bearing the exhibit reference 'MDF/100' consisting of 14 spent cartridge cases that were currently being held in storage at Huntingdon Lab'. These had not been destroyed, like the revised concoction which turned out to supposedly be the original batch of crime scene bullets and spent cartridge cases!

Hang on...

Two exhibits, first one MDF/1 (cloth pull through test), second exhibit, MDF/100 (14 spent cartridge cases loaded, fired and ejected via the other rifle during the shooting incident at whf...

What happened to the other 98 exhibits MDF/2 through consecutively to MDF/99?
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For the record, the prosecution's ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher produced only one official exhibit as part of the prosecution's case against Jeremy Bamber, that being 'MDF/1' a cloth pull through of the anshuzt rifles barrel, a test which yeilded 'no blood' found on the lining of the guns barrel, carried out by Fletcher according to his evidence, on the 12th September 1985...

This is astounding!!!

I shall report to you all why I am saying that this claim is astounding, nay it's absolutely astounding...

It's 'astounding' because it wasn't until another ballistic expert, Mr RENSHAW, (2004) conducted a series of tests at Birdwell Armoury (formerly known as junction 36 gun club), we learned shortly after these tests had been conducted, about a second exhibit, bearing the exhibit reference 'MDF/100' consisting of 14 spent cartridge cases that were currently being held in storage at Huntingdon Lab'. These had not been destroyed, like the revised concoction which turned out to supposedly be the original batch of crime scene bullets and spent cartridge cases!

Hang on...

Two exhibits, first one MDF/1 (cloth pull through test), second exhibit, MDF/100 (14 spent cartridge cases loaded, fired and ejected via the other rifle during the shooting incident at whf...

What happened to the other 98 exhibits MDF/2 through consecutively to MDF/99?

None, exist!
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