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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2018, 01:18:AM »
Mike,

I have spent 2 nights in a cell in my life. and without doubt they were my worse nightmare.

1st. drink driving. fair play, stupid idiot I was, and car went about 25 metres, no one hurt thank God. Hold my hands up!

2nd got stitched up by a young copper, he lied in Magistrate Court.

So I don't know the Prison 'lingo'.

I would like to 'make a difference' to the folks in prison, as many have mental health issues.

OK, 'On the Book' means that a prison warder has to check you every 15 minutes and document everything about you in a book, that gets taken everywhere you go. I was just wondering if Michael Stone was 'on the book' at the time of the alleged confession? If he made the confession as alleged, did the prison authorities make a record of the confession in the book, his book?
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2018, 01:23:AM »
OK, 'On the Book' means that a prison warder has to check you every 15 minutes and document everything about you in a book, that gets taken everywhere you go. I was just wondering if Michael Stone was 'on the book' at the time of the alleged confession? If he made the confession as alleged, did the prison authorities make a record of the confession in the book, his book?

Not sure,

Michael Stone is 100% innocent that is all I know.

and I do feel for Josie and her dad.

Personally i think it was Bellfield, but we need to get back on topic!
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2018, 01:24:AM »
BSA

At Prep school I used 'air rifles' target shooting under strict supervision.

I wasn't bad but I wasn't good!

these took 'pellets' small lead type, one at a time from memory.

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The .22 BSA air rifle, is that similar to the other two .22?

what is the difference?

thanks
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2018, 10:31:AM »
One is pellets,the other bullets ?

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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2018, 01:25:PM »
The work conducted by Smith and Mallinson at Birdwell armoury (2003 /2004) Barnsley, confirmed that both bullet entry wounds that were present on Sheila Caffell's neck, had been inflicted by a .22 type weapon, using primed cartridges, rather than a pellet - this was because when enlarged you could see traces of the propellant around the circumference of the entry wound, something you wouldn't get if the the entry wound had been caused by a pellet from a .22 air rifle!
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2018, 01:30:PM »
Any news on which rifles the RAID team used.

I'm still thinking that PARGETOR's rifle was taken from WHF in error.
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2018, 01:35:PM »
Any news on which rifles the RAID team used.

I'm still thinking that PARGETOR's rifle was taken from WHF in error.


These https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Mini-14


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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2018, 01:41:PM »
Could we have a side by side comparison

Wolf and Ruger Mini-14

thanks David
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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2018, 02:02:PM »
Could we have a side by side comparison

Wolf and Ruger Mini-14

thanks David

Ruger mini -




APs gun would have looked like this.


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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2018, 03:36:PM »
The confidential information I was given regarding the shooting of Sheila in the kitchen, was that she was shot during a struggle with PS Woodcock, as he entered the kitchen via the opening edge of the internal door which Neville Bamber was originally sat behind on one chair, propped up by the other! Of course it must have taken quite a bit of pushing by the police officers on the other side of 'that' door in order to topple Neville's body forward! Sheila supposedly grabbed the barrel of the Ruger 14 mini as Woodcock came into the kitchen around the opening g edge of 'that' door, and as the struggle spilled further afield into the kitchen itself, Sheila was supposed to have pulled the barrel of PS Woodcock's rifle in toward her own neck! This was why by 7.45am, the police were talking in terms of her death downstairs in the kitchen, as a suicide!

I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of my source, he had no reason to lie, if the truth be known, there'd be nothing better if and when the truth breaks, because he didn't agree with the cover up surrounding the circumstances of Sheila's death at the scene! He is adamant that it was the trigger finger of PS Woodcock which fired the original bullet into Sheila Caffell's neck! My understanding is that police quite often used the Ruger mini 14 to shoot dead animals that were a danger to themselves and to members of the public, in other words cops were using this type of weapon in vermin control incidents! This was very interesting to me, because out of the 25 shots fired during the tragedy, only one bullet fragmented so badly upon entry and that  was the bullet received by Sheila in her neck, when she was downstairs in the kitchen! That original bullet (PV/20) fragmented as soon as it touched the surface of Sheila Caffell's neck! None of the other 24 bullets fired had this characteristic! This is why I totally believe in what my source has been telling me, since the bullets that police normally fired via the mini Ruger 14's they were using to shoot dangerous animals, or vermin, and pests, were designed to fragment upon impact, unlike the .22 LR Eley subsonic hollow points which were invariably used in the shootings which ordinarily did not fragment so much as the .22 police issue round...

For what it's worth, the information I was given was that PS Woodcock had intended to shoot the dog which was barking as soon as he got into the kitchen! Cops knew that a dog had been barking, and they were also aware of Sheila Mimicking the barking dog, every time the police yelled out instructions to the occupants of the farmhouse via loud hailer to give themselves up, and to come out of the farmhouse! At one stage, the police engaged in a remarkable conversation with someone inside the farmhouse, who they thought was Sheila at around 5.25am...

It wasn't any ordinary sort of a conversation by anybodies standards, infact, it was basically a one sided conversation in the queen's English, and barked responses to what the police were instructing that person to do! One bark for yes, two consecutive barks for no..

Not surprisingly, most of the requests by the police via loud hailer were met by two consecutive barks!

By 5.55am...

The police outside the farmhouse, had requested that the person making the barks should go to the telephone and dial 999 so that police could have a proper conversation with them! Rather somewhat astonishingly, at this suggestion the person they were engaged in conversation with from inside the farmhouse, barked only once!

Even more remarkable, was the fact that the phone which had been off the hook until 'that' time (5.55am) suddenly and rather mysteriously became engaged so that the police back in the control room at Chelmsford could no longer eavesdrop automatically, so they requested that the operator somehow if at all possible, break into the call being made from inside the farmhouse and patch it through to the police in the control room?

This was achieved at 6.09am...

At this time, there was another rather bizarre conversation which took place between Sheila (it was believed at the time to have been Sheila), and PC Mills! For example, he was putting requests and questions to the person on the line, which were continuing to be responded to in the same dog barking fashion, previously! One bark for yes, two barks for no...

As a result of this painstaking procedure, PC Mills managed to establish that members of the family had already been shot, and he told the recipient on the other end of the phone, that he was sending ambulances to the scene (this took place at around 6.15am), and in response to PC Mills suggestion, Sheila is known to have yelped a singular bark! By 7am, the two ambulances and their staff arrived at the scene, one was supposed to go directly to the farmhouse to tend to the wounded, whilst the other was to be on standby parked up ready in nearby Pages Lane...

But...

There was a problem when Sheila moved away from the telephone, this came about after another request for the occupants to give themselves up, to show the weapons at a window, so that police could see that no-one was armed inside, or able to shoot anyone, when the paramedics went in! As things turned out, Sheila had left the telephone without any warning and gone upstairs and placed the family owned Anshuzt rifle at the first floor box room window! However, because police knew that there was a whole armoury of different types of firearms and ammunition in the farmhouse, they decided to send the raid team in, and keep the paramedics back!

These are the details of the seige which I have been privy to learning about, a conversation with Sheila who was as alive as you or me, inside the farmhouse, choosing to communicate with the police using barking and whining noises! I know that many of you will find it hard to comprehend that there was this exchange between the firearm officers outside the farmhouse and Sheila within, and much later, between PC Mills and Sheila after 6.09am, but those are the true facts, Sheila was alive as stated, the police know she was alive and that Jeremy Bamber did not shoot dead his sister Sheila Caffell either downstairs, or upstairs!
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2018, 04:00:PM »
Ruger mini -




APs gun would have looked like this.



It will be discovered, that the family owned .22 anshuzt rifle was much longer than either Anthony Pargeters .22 Bruno rifle, and the police service .22 mini Ruger 14...

Once the measurements are to hand, you will then realise that what I have been telling you all, about senior officers undertaking a 'gauging exercise' on the main bedroom floor with the anshuzt rifle from the box room window, is absolutely true! Cops were contemplating saying that Sheila had shot herself with the anshuzt rifle, not that she had been shot with a bullet from a police service rifle! In any event, their minds were made up for them when the anshuzt rifle discharged the critical fatal shot which killed Sheila outright! However, by that stage, police were faced with yet another problem - how to keep the relatives and the public from knowing that Sheila had been shot and killed by use of two totally different weapons, and that one of these two weapons had been a police service weapon!

The matter did not end there, either, because ballistics would show (if they ever got around to it) that the police weapon had fired the first bullet at a time when Sheila's body was downstairs in the kitchen, and that she was shot by the family owned rifle afterwards, upstairs in the main bedroom! The police found themselves caught up in an investigative nightmare, where Sheila was dead downstairs in the kitchen, she was dead upstairs on her parents bed, and she was dead on the main bedroom floor! But the truth was far more bizzare than anyone could ever begin to imagine, since although Sheila's body was downstairs in the region of the kitchen between 7.35am and 8.10am, she was not dead, and had not fired by that stage! Neither was she dead when her body was relocated after a degree of heightened panic her body laid on top of the bed, neither was she dead when during 'informatives' her body was carefully lifted from on the bed, onto the bedroom floor at just after 9.10am...

Sheila did not die on the main bedroom floor until precisely 9.13am,, after senior officers ordered that the anshuzt rifle be brought from the box room window and put to Sheila's body in what can best be described as 'a gauging exercise' where the police wanted to see if her death (now upstairs) could be presented as occurring by use of the Anshuzt rifle, rather than the police service one!

'BANG'!

How would it have been possible for police to recite the actual truthfulness in this matter, without causing a few raised eyebrows, amidst a cloud of suspicion that cops had got something to hide? They were buggered if they did, and they were buggered because they didn't...
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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2018, 04:13:PM »
Non disclosure of the timed police radio message logs by the time of the October 1986 trial, and the 2002 appeal, was a deliberate ploy to keep the truth from anyone who might even be remotely interested in the truth!

At the trial, for example, as was the case by the time of the appeal, it was still the police case, that they had found one body downstairs, and the other four bodies all upstairs!

Well, of course, the contents of all the relevantly timed police radio messages discredit that proposition, there had been two bodies downstairs, the body of a man, and the body of a woman, a murder and a suicide, known about by 7.45am...

Moreover, only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...

So, the court which tried Jeremy Bamber for these murders, has been deceived by the powers that be, since there wasn't only one body downstairs in the kitchen, and the other four upstairs, there was clearly a very strong case to suggest that there had been in fact two bodies downstairs in the kitchen from as early as 7.35am, and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...

This was important evidence deliberately kept from the defendant, his legal team, and the jury which tried the case!

It's a very disturbing feature which cannot go by without being dealt with in a lawful manner!

We now know, for example, that every raid team officer who made a witness statement declaring they only found Neville Bambers body downstairs in the kitchen, and that the bodies of the other four victims were all found upstairs, have all been guilty of perverting the course of justice, forgery, and conspiracy! Of course, the powers that be will not be breaking their necks to prosecute these individuals because those responsible can consider themselves one of their own!
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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2018, 04:32:PM »
According to what Jeremy says, all these firearm officers have been granted immunity from ever being charged with any criminal offences arising out of the false witness statements they gave all made where they falsely place Sheila Caffell's body as always having been laid upon the main bedroom floor in possession of the 'anshuzt rifle'...

That just about sums up, how corrupt those that work and operate within the Criminal Justice System can be!

Everybody, who has ever had the misfortune to be prosecuted by the police for something they deny having done, will know how corrupt and dishonest the cops can be! How bias the Magistrate court system is in favour of what cops have to say...

The dishonesty goes right the way up to the top courts in the land, bias in favour of corrupted and faked evidence, they make each others witness statements to corroborate what they say in their own statements, they rely on notes made by another officer in their notebook because it supposedly relates to the same incident, even when it's proved that the notebooks in question weren't even issued to the officer at the time they supposedly made their notes up in it!

The cops are the real criminals, it means nothing to them to lie, and to fabricate - they can always rely on a colleague to make a corresponding witness statement corroborating what has been said...

There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind, that Jeremy Bamber has been framed as the killer whale n his case, without any evidence to prove he not only did it, but that he could have done it?

How could he have shot dead his sister upstairs on his parents bedroom floor, after police had already called her death downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am), and upstairs on the far side of the bed (8.44am)? It would have been impossible, it is impossible...
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