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Offline David1819

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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2018, 11:18:PM »
Hold on a minute!

Please excuse me I'm not the 'sharpest tool in the box'!

I thought you said

"In the witness statement Anthony Pargeter made to Essex Police shortly after the tragedy, hereiterated that he owned a .22 Bruno rifle, Parker Hale Ilencer, and ammunition to fire from it, and that he kept 'it' at whf."

or was that just me misreading it...

...is there something to add

ie..."but I took the rifle 2 weeks before"

Yes there are some worrying discrepancies in AP evidence. This area gets little attention and is often overlooked.

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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2018, 11:25:PM »
Yes there are some worrying discrepancies in AP evidence. This area gets little attention and is often overlooked.

Well lets have a look it then, in minutia detail..

""In the witness statement Anthony Pargeter made to Essex Police shortly after the tragedy, here iterated that he owned a .22 Bruno rifle, Parker Hale Ilencer, and ammunition to fire from it, and that he kept 'it' at whf.""

can you add to this?

.over to you to start David...

thanks
« Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 11:28:PM by Nigel »
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2018, 12:06:AM »
Is this the 'Holy Grail'?

because we need to move on to the Michael Stone case, and JEREMY is still in HELL HOLE.
I have a plan to help get the confession evidence nullified...
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2018, 12:08:AM »
I have a plan to help get the confession evidence nullified...

The Holy Trinity bless you Mike.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 12:10:AM by Nigel »
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2018, 12:10:AM »
May the Holy Trinity bless you Mike.
Which prison was he being detained in at the time of his alleged confession?
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2018, 12:16:AM »
Which prison was he being detained in at the time of his alleged confession?

Canterbury Prison
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2018, 12:18:AM »
Canterbury Prison
A Victorian Prison?
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2018, 12:21:AM »
A Victorian Prison?

No

Pre Queen Victoria born 1819
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2018, 12:25:AM »
No

Pre Queen Victoria born 1819

Do we know what wing Michael Stone was on, and what cell number?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 12:27:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2018, 12:31:AM »
No, I don't know the cell number or floor.

However, I very much want to get Micheal out of HELL HOLE.

But we need to get JEREMY out of HELL HOLE first!., then Michael.

No pressure Mike!, but I want you to know I will always be here to help.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 12:34:AM by Nigel »
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2018, 12:50:AM »
Mike,

there is something about the BSA rifle where we are getting VERY hot.

Do you know anything about the BSA rifle?
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2018, 12:55:AM »
'ACOUSTICS'...

That is the way forward...

The walls between this type of cells is sometimes two to three feet thick - Depending upon the location of the informants cell, lets say Michael Stone was in the cell to the informants right, and depending upon which floor the informants cell and Michael Stones cell were situated, it would be impossible for the informant to tell in which direction anyone talking came from, in the instant case, without knowing the actual layout of the cells where the confession was supposedly overheard, and whether or not, not only was there a cell either side of the informants cell, but perhaps even a cell directly above, and directly below, and adjoining cells either side of those other cells...

I have been in Wormwood Scrubs when I had my appeal, I have been in Strangeways prison when the Manchester police investigated my complaints against South Yorkshire police, I have been at Wellford Road, Leicester Prison on remand, many years ago, in connection with a £25,000 theft of silverware the burgalry of a retired judges house, I have been held at HMP Armley in Leeds, I have been detained at Hull Prison, and I can tell you thaat the walls between cells are very thick, sometimes as much as three feet in thickness between each cell, thats left, right, up and down. There's no way that you can tell which direction a person who might be talking to you is located, other than if what is being said is accompanied by a tapping on the pipes, or a banging on the wall, (all pre-arranged), The density of the cell walls, floors and ceilings, distort sound and you can sometimes even hear things being spoken about by someone who might even be on another landing many cells away from where your being detained! You can't easily get direction because of the unusual design features of these very old cells...

'ACOUSTICS'...

At the very least when the trial judge and the jury visited the prison to see if they could have heard the supposed confession, as I understand it, was prejudicial in favour of guilt because they only had someone in one of the cells next to the cell the judge and jury entered. There should have been at least two different people, reciting whatever it was they got them to say, in a cell either side of the one where judge and jury were being entertained. If there were landings above, and below, there should really ought to have been people in numerous cells all reciting in turn, and so the judge and the jury could fully understand the acoustic properties involved.

I would like to bet, that if the judge and the jury had not been told which cell the reciter was present in, a pound to a penny, they wouldn't have a clue which direction, the talking, or the reciting, was coming from?

There are other factors, also...

What time of day or night did this confession evidence supposedly get told?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 01:00:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2018, 12:59:AM »
Michael Stone is innocent. I will put my life on that.

Please, can we get JEREMY out of HELL HOLE first.

BSA rifle, is it capable of any bullet wounds or burn marks to Nevilles back?
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2018, 01:03:AM »
Michael Stone is innocent. I will put my life on that.

Please, can we get JEREMY out of HELL HOLE first.

BSA rifle, is it capable of any bullet wounds or burn marks to Nevilles back?

Do you know if Michael Stone was 'on the book' at the time of the alleged confession?
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2018, 01:11:AM »
Mike,

I have spent 2 nights in a cell in my life. and without doubt they were my worse nightmare.

1st. drink driving. fair play, stupid idiot I was, car went about 25 metres, from turning on ignition,  no one hurt thank God. Hold my hands up!

2nd got stitched up by a young copper, he lied in Magistrate Court. I swear on my fathers grave he did.

So I don't know the Prison 'lingo'.

I would like to 'make a difference' to the folks in prison, as many have mental health issues, and are 'stitched up', more than I was.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 01:17:AM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.