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"Neville Bamber who was the Chairman of the Witham Magistrates Bench, would never have allowed Anthony Pargeter to take the weapons, accessories, or ammunitions away from the scene, where they were licensed to be kept, under any circumstances..."
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« Last Edit: April 14, 2018, 10:25:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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In the witness statement Anthony Pargeter made to Essex Police shortly after the tragedy, hereiterated that he owned a .22 Bruno rifle, Parker Hale Ilencer, and ammunition to fire from it, and that he kept 'it' at whf. He stated that it was a practice of his, to always remove the bolt from it when going back home to Buckinghamshire, so that no-one could fire 'it' in his absence! Well, when I spoke to Jeremy about this he told me that Anthony wouldn't have been allowed to take the bolt to his rifle home with him because it was a component part of the rifle he was licensed to use and keep at whf. Jeremy was adamant that his father wouldn't have let Anthony break the law by doing that.
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As Chairman of the Witham Magistrates Bench, and the glowing statement by his bookkeeper about him (on video)....

I would put my life on it you are correct Mike.

Neville was clearly an upstanding pillar of society.
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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Mike,

What were the gun type the RAID team used?

They weren't similar to the Wolf (PARGETOR'S ) and/OR .22 (NEVILLE'S)? where they?

If they were..

Is there a possibility the Police took Anthony PARGETOR'S rifle by mistake, thinking it was theirs?

thanks
« Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 07:51:PM by Nigel »
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After the COLP Enquiry seized his Bruno rifle, and Parker Hale silencer for testing in 1991, he made a fresh witness statement claiming that his rifle wasn't present at the scene at the time of the tragedy, because he had taken it home to Buckinghamshire on the penultimate week-end prior to the tragedy! Jeremy says he has lied because his Bruno rifle was inside the farmhouse at the time of the tragedy! Jeremy says he even included it in the list of firearms that the police wanted to know was present inside the farmhouse before they went in!

Jeremy says that to the best of his recollection, Anthony Pargeters .22 rifle and silencer was present in the downstairs toilet on the evening before the tragedy! It seems remarkable that Pargeter has given two different and conflicting accounts regarding the whereabouts of his .22 rifle , for example, in 1975 he said it was kept at the farmhouse, but that he always removed the bolt and took that away with him so that no-one could fire his .22 gun in his absence! Whereas, in 1991 he says that he took his rifle home with him shortly before the tragedy!

Either way he was in breach of the terms of his firearms certificate, and Jeremy says that Neville Bamber wouldn't have allowed Anthony to remove the bolt from his rifle and take that away from the farm because in so doing he would be committing a criminal offence, and Neville Bamber would be implicated for allowing him to do that! Jeremy is adamant that Neville would not have let Anthony take his rifle away in the terms he described to the COLP investigators in 1991...

I believe that Anthony Pargeters rifle was there at the scene, along with Jeremy's view on the matter...

I believe this because of the list that Jeremy provided for the police which included mention of 'it', and after the police entered the farmhouse, and all the dust settled so to speak, the police would have checked for all the firearms on the list that Jeremy had given them, and if Anthony Pargeters .22 rifle was missing from the scene, I should think he would have been spa suspect when the nature of the investigation altered a month afterwards. It seems a bit of a coincidence, if he did take his .22 rifle home, that he has been keeping it at whf since he first purchased it in 1980, and then just before the shooting tragedy he removes it from the scene!
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Hold on a minute!

Please excuse me I'm not the 'sharpest tool in the box'!

I thought you said

"In the witness statement Anthony Pargeter made to Essex Police shortly after the tragedy, hereiterated that he owned a .22 Bruno rifle, Parker Hale Ilencer, and ammunition to fire from it, and that he kept 'it' at whf."

or was that just me misreading it...

...is there something to add

ie..."but I took the rifle 2 weeks before"
« Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 08:00:PM by Nigel »
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Mike,

What were the gun type the RAID team used?

They weren't similar to the Wolf (PARGETOR'S ) and/OR .22 (NEVILLE'S)? where they?

If they were..

Is there a possibility the Police took Anthony PARGETOR'S rifle by mistake, thinking it was theirs?

thanks

The police had an array of weapons at their disposal at the time of the seige at whf, the only one identifiable in the witness statements is a mini Ruger! But they must have had other weapons at their disposal even quite possibly a .22 rifle. I know that attempts made by Jeremy to get the police records from the force armoury were being thwarted in 1989 /1990 when I was a serving prisoner alongside him at HMP Full Sutton, near York. We were trying to find out if any ammunitions had been used at the scene, for example, if there was a shortfall in the quantity returned at the end of the shift, as opposed to the quantity issued beforehand!

I think that the rifle in the crime scene photograph taken in the kitchen which police were warned not to mention anything about was the Pargeter rifle! It's got to have been his gun and sound moderator! Stan Jones returned to the scene at around 11.15am, and amongst other things he took possession of the all important Parker Hale Sound Moderator (SBJ/1)! At the same time he took a photograph of the downstairs toilet where the Anthony Pargeter rifle and silencer were normally kept - police records show that for some inexplicable reason that particular photograph was 'destroyed', without any reason given for doing so! I think that Stan Jones may have taken away Anthony Pargeters .22 rifle and silencer from the scene on that occasion, for example, the rifle with its silencer attached, and that together he referred to them as exhibit 'SBJ/1'.

I am now all the more convinced that Sheila got shot across the neck by use of Pargeters gun - we are talking about the non fatal shot, exhibit PV/20, 'a piece of badly fragmented bullet' that the pathologist recover from Sheila's neck during autopsy performed on 7th August 1985. As you may well already know, by the time the bullets reached the ballistic expert at the Lab' on the 20th September 1985, somebody had replaced the original piece of badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) with a test fired WHOLE one! Seems to me, they did that so that they could treat the shootings as a One gun crime..

Picture the following scenario...

The anshuzt rifle was used to dispatch June and the child victims, with Neville not present in the farmhouse!

The anshuzt rifle was used to dispatch Neville..

The Bruno rifle fired the shot across Sheila's neck (the original PV/20) whilst she was present downstairs in the kitchen..

The anshuzt rifle fired the bullet which ultimately ended Sheila's life upstairs on the main bedroom floor!

The Bruno rifle and silencer was the gun captured in the police crime scene photograph taken in the kitchen, that officers were told not to make any mention of? Stan Jones returns to the scene shortly after having already left it once and he collects the Bruno rifle and its silencer (Anthony Pargeters), and he takes them away, with no reference at all to the scenes of crime officers (2nd SOCO team) in charge of the crime scene at that time! He takes it away because he knew 'it' had been used in the original shooting of Sheila downstairs in the kitchen, as per the timed police radio messages, 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am! Sheila's was the dead female body in the kitchen at these specific times! Her death was being spoken of in terms of a suicide by 7.45am..

The fact that she must have regained consciousness and somehow found her way upstairs to her parents bedroom, and collapsed on top of her parents bed, then subsequently been moved to the floor and shot during a gauging exercise as part of the 'informatives' adopted by senior officers, was undertaken I should think to see whether or not they could make it look like she had been shot once in the neck by the anshuzt rifle, and not the other rifle downstairs in the kitchen! You see the police had a bit of a problem up until the 2nd shot got fired (the 1st shot from the anshuzt rifle), how were they going to explain that Sheila had committed suicide downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am), when her body was now upstairs in the main bedroom?

That, was the dilemma the senior officers had...

That was why they brought the anshuzt rifle from the box room window and put it to Sheila's body! They didn't intend to do anything mischievously at the time they set about doing this, it was just a gauging exercise, as part of the 'informatives' that they were entitled to be doing (apparently)! I should think that when they put the anshuzt rifle to Sheila's body they were simply trying to see, if the gun fitted the circumstance! But, they were confronted with another problem! They knew that the shot into Sheila's neck had been inflicted with a silencer attached to the Bruno rifles barrel. The lengths of the two rifles were different, and to the dismay of senior officers, when they unscrewed the silencer from the Bruno rifles barrel, and screwed I onto the barrel of the anshuzt rifle, the damned length of it was a lot longer and they couldn't get the muzzle of the silencer that was by then fitted to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle in position against the abrasion mark of the silencers end cap around the wound on Sheila's neck, and at the same time get her fingers on the trigger mechanism! So, they took the rifle back off her body, unscrewed the silencer and tried putting the anshuzt rifle (minus the silencer) back to Sheila's body, starting with the position of Sheila's finger on the trigger this time, and adjusting the barrel end of the anshuzt rifle into the region of the neck were the bullet entry wound was! Unfortunately, they couldn't get the rifle to fit the circumstances even without the silencer being on the gun! It was whilst they were stretching Sheila's arm and her right hand upon the trigger mechanism with the muzzle end of the anshuzt rifle barrel as low down as possible on her neck (which was markedly higher up on the throat compared to where the the bullet entry wound was, that the rifle discharged a live round which penetrated Sheila's mouth from beneath the chin and lodged in her brain!

This was exactly how Sheila Caffell died on the main bedroom floor - she was shot by two different guns, the cops faked the PV/20 bullet in connection with the first shot by using a test fired round that was subsequently fired via the anshuzt rifle, disposing not the original piece of badly fragmented bullet, so that by 20th September 1985, they could go with the tragedy being a one gun crime, the weapon used being the family owned Anshuzt rifle! They did away with the Pargeter rifle, which probably only fired one of the 25 bullets used in the shootings!

The absolute truth is that the shooting of Sheila Caffell involved two different .22 rifles, the Bruno bolt action one, and the semi-automatic anshuzt rifle!

The use of one gun downstairs in the kitchen, makes complete sense out of the timed police radio message logs (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am), plus the fact that by 8.10am there were only three bodies upstairs - Sheila's body ended up there in the main bedroom at some point after 8.10am..
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Hold on a minute!

Please excuse me I'm not the 'sharpest tool in the box'!

I thought you said

"In the witness statement Anthony Pargeter made to Essex Police shortly after the tragedy, hereiterated that he owned a .22 Bruno rifle, Parker Hale Ilencer, and ammunition to fire from it, and that he kept 'it' at whf."

or was that just me misreading it...

...is there something to add

ie..."but I took the rifle 2 weeks before"

Anthony Pargeter made a witness statement to Essex police in 1985 (pre -trial) in which he says that he owns the Bruno bolt action rifle, and a Parker Hale, Silencer, and ammunition, which he keeps at whf in the downstairs toilet! He adds that he does, however, always remove the bolt from his gun which he takes home when he leaves, so that no-one can fire his gun in his absence!

Six years later, or thereabouts, long after Jeremy has already been convicted and sentenced, he makes another witness statement to the COLP Enquiry Team who are investigation complaints made by Jeremy about Essex police's handling of his prosecution, and because in 1990 I wrote to the Home Secretary, David Waddington, expounding my belief that Anthony Pargeters gun could have been involved in the shooting of the victims, and that he owned Neville Bamber £50,000 at the time of the tragedy! Anyway, when Anthony Pargeter made the new witness statement, he told COLP that he had taken his Bruno rifle home with him to Bournend in Buckinghamshire, and that he did this in the penultimate week-end before the shootings..

Either way, he's lying, I am now convinced it was his rifle in that crime scene photograph that cops took in the kitchen, and I am as certain as I can be that his silencer came into contact with Sheila's neck at the time she got shot when cops forced their way into the kitchen, and she got shot (PV/20) by a bullet that was fired by the Pargeter rifle - that's why they tampered with the original PV/20 which was a piece of badly fragmented bullet, replacing it with a test fired round which had been fired later via the anshuzt rifle! This manoeuvre enabled the cops to present the tragedy as a one gun crime, when in fact two different guns had been used!
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There are other details which are now starting to make more and more sense to me now - bare with me...
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There are other details which are now starting to make more and more sense to me now - bare with me...

This substitution of the original (PV/20) piece of badly fragmented bullet removed from Sheila's neck during autopsy (7th August 1985) by Peter Venezis, got swapped for a test fired control round fired via the anshuzt rifle, after 30th August 1985, when the batch of crime scene ammunition (bullets and spent cartridge cases), and 29 control rounds collected up from the kitchen worktop got sent to the Lab' at Huntingdon for the attention of the prosecutions expert, Malcolm Fletcher!

Now..

These 29 control rounds of Eley .22 subsonic hollow point ammunition, was the same type of bullets used in the shootings...

I discovered a long time ago, 2003 / 2004, that 2 of these 29 control rounds vanished off the face of the earth1 This is interesting because we know that according to Fletcher, he supposedly test fired the anshuzt rifle with this batch of control ammunition, at the lab' on the 20th and 25th September 1985, and on the 1st October 1985. It became apparent during the COLP enquiry, that only 27 of the 29 control rounds were accounted for in these tests...

A deeper look into the Lab' documentation involving the batch of crime scene ammunition, reveals startling information documenting for the fact that on the 12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985, that Fletcher conducted a series of comparison tests, where he tried to match markings and striations between crime scene ammunition and test fired control ammunition which must have already been test fired via the anshuzt rifle prior to the 20th September 1985...

Digging deeper, and by reference to Fletchers Lab' working notes, it becomes clear that he test fired the anshuzt rifle with control ammunition, when the Sound Moderator was fitted to the rifles barrel, and without the Sound Moderator attached...

Hence...

The 2 pieces of missing control ammunition must be linked to the control round used in the substitution process of the original PV/20, one of these rounds fired via the rifle with Sound Moderator, the other minus the Sound Moderator! Furthermore, these were the only two rounds that could havee been fired prior to the 20th September 1985, because the other 27 controlo rounds wwere all test fired after the 20th September 1985...

So, we now know where the substituted WHOLE test fired bullet that was used in the substitution process of the original PV/20 came from, and more importantly roughly the time date wise when that substitution could have taken place - on or after 30th Auhust 1985, until on or prior to the 12th September 1985...

Exhibit PV/20, therefore, now becomes the holy grail evidence capable of smashing this case wide open...

Question marks hang over those involved in this substitution process!

There can be absolutely no doubt whatsoever, that the prosecutions ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher was in on this dastardly buisiness...

But, who else?

Peter Venezis?Afterall, it was his original exhibit (PV/20) that he took from Sheila caffells neck during autopsy on the afternoon of the 7th August 1985. Was Venezis party to this skullduggery?
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2018, 10:17:PM »
It was for the benefit and purpose of substituting the original piece of badly fragmented bullet which was PV/20 for a WHOLE test fired round, which enabled Fletcher to conclude that the two bullets recovered from Sheila Caffells body (PV/19 and PV/20) had both been loaded into the anshuzt rifle and fired from it, thereby turning the case into a one gun crime, when in the circumstances of Sheila Caffells death, there had definitely been two different guns used to shoot her...
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2018, 10:18:PM »
Mike please can you TL;DR. (time stamp)

thanks

Nige
« Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 10:19:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2018, 10:27:PM »
It was for the benefit and purpose of substituting the original piece of badly fragmented bullet which was PV/20 for a WHOLE test fired round, which enabled Fletcher to conclude that the two bullets recovered from Sheila Caffells body (PV/19 and PV/20) had both been loaded into the anshuzt rifle and fired from it, thereby turning the case into a one gun crime, when in the circumstances of Sheila Caffells death, there had definitely been two different guns used to shoot her...

Fletcher made out that he did not conduct any test firing of the anshuzt rifle with control rounds until the 20th September 1985, and afterwards, in what became known as 'THE OFFICIAL TEST FIRING OF THE RIFLE WITH CONTROL AMMUNITION FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES', when all along he had already performed 'AN UNOFFICIAL TEST FIRING OF THE RIFLE WITH 2 PIECES OF CONTROL AMMUNITION, FOR THE BENEFIT OF SWAPPING A CRIME SCENE BULLET OVER, FOR THE PURPOSE OF FALSELY TURNING THE INVESTIGATION INTO A ONE GUN CRIME'...

There exist a catelog of documentation to support exactly what Fletcher got up to, in order for him to present such a dishonest appraisal of the crime scene ammunition!

It goes a lot deeper, because when the original piece of badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) was taken from Sheila's neck, it was placed into a sealed exhibit bag, that was signed by Peter Venezis, the pathologist...

Somebody tampered with the original exhibit bag, by removing the piece of badly fragmented bullet, and in its place putting the recently test fired WHOLE round, thereby making Fletchers job, and Essex Police explanation a lot easier...
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2018, 10:34:PM »
Is this the 'Holy Grail'?

because we need to move on to the Michael Stone case, and JEREMY is still in HELL HOLE.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 10:35:PM by Nigel »
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Re: Anthony Pargeter removing .22 rifle from WHF - Firearms Act 1968
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2018, 10:56:PM »
Just sit back and imagine the explaining that Essex police would have to do, if it became known by all and sundry that Sheila had been shot by two different guns?

The police tried to ride the storm by taking the case through the Coroners court system, during the first month, claiming that what they had been dealing with was a case of four murders and a suicide. They hadn't even bothered to do any ballistics testing by that stage and would not do so until 12th September 1985, onward. Somebody tampered with the batch of crime scene ammunition involving the original PV/20, because they knew that it had been fired by another gun, not the anshuzt rifle...

An Investigating officer, and senior officers, who were involved and engaged in the 'informatives' around and upon Sheila Caffells body, and the firearms officers who entered the kitchen reporting the presence of two dead bodies by 7.35am, one dead male, one dead female, a murder, and a suicide, have all lied through the skin of their teeth, choosing to remain silent about the involvement of the second rifle in the shooting of Sheila Caffell downstairs in the kitchen! They concealed the presence of the second rifle even though it was captured in one of the crime scene photographs...

And then there are the witness statements made by all the firearm officers who entered the farmhouse, all of them falsely claiming that there was only Neville Bambers body downstairs in the kitchen...

It gets worse, because the lot of them all flasely claiming that theey found Sheila Caffell already dead, shot twice, in possession of the anshuzt rifle, on her parents bedroom floor - when all along she wasn't and she hadn't been...

Even PS Bews, PC Myall and PS Saxby, they all knew and they all know the truth, Sheila was called as being dead downstairs in the kitchen at precisely 7.35am, All the senior officers who were gathered at the forward control point in a nearby outbuilding, Harris, Gibbons, Montgomery, Clark, and PS Adams, they all knew, and know the truth! Yet still police officers back in the control room who were eavesdropping the events as they were unfolding in real time when the firearm officers entered the kitchen, two bodies, not one, a dead male, and a dead female, a murder, and a suicide (7.35am - 7.45am)...

They all knew, and they all know...

At 8.10am, only three bodies present upstairs, 5 dead in total, no officer casualties...

Hariis, Gibbons, and Montgomery, make their way to the farmhouse and enter through the very same courtyard door that the raid team had ented about 45 minutes earlier...

As soon as they get into the kitchen...

PROBLEM..
A BIG PROBLEM..
A CATASTROPHIC PROBLEM...

Harris uses the kitchen phone to speak directly to ACC Peter Simpson to update him regarding the HUGE PROBLEM they had now got on their hands...

The dead female, Sheila, had gone missing from the kitchen, she could be wandering anywhere around the farmhouse, potentially in possession of any number of guns at her disposal, and there they were, TRAPPED in the kitchen, UNARMED, TERRIFIED...

They never did release the topic of conversation during that horrendous 15 minute period that Harris and Simpson chin wagged, but by 8.30am, the tension was relieved when Sheila was discovered collapsed on the top of her parents bed...

It's all true, every last word of it...



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