Who Killed Sheila Caffell? Part One: The Photograph

[Steve_uk]

I was surprised yesterday to read the various altercations mentioned by male members in their lives, some from unexpected quarters and it reminded me what a violent society we live amongst. I can only surmise that both Jeremy and Sheila were searching for some facial reaction from their parents whilst growing up and when this was not forthcoming the overkill in the kitchen that morning was the culmination of all that pent-up frustration which had built up over the years, whomever you believe the culprit to be.

[maggie]

I was surprised yesterday to read the various altercations mentioned by male members in their lives, some from unexpected quarters and it reminded me what a violent society we live amongst. I can only surmise that both Jeremy and Sheila were searching for some facial reaction from their parents whilst growing up and when this was not forthcoming the overkill in the kitchen that morning was the culmination of all that pent-up frustration which had built up over the years, whomever you believe the culprit to be.

It is believed that empathetic facial reaction of a permanent primary carer towards the baby and in particular an adopted baby who will already be suffering loss, forms the basis of crucial deep bonding and security for the child.

[maggie]

Just read this -

'Men wear their watch to bed about 52% of the time while women average only 39% of the time. Men are more likely to wear watches on a daily basis than women.'

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Following the evidence logically -

Nevill wore his watch to bed. Source - 52% of men do.

Nevill's blood went onto his watch during Bamber's attack. Source - Nevill was shot 7 times.

Nevill's watch got damaged while he was protecting himself. Source -Nevill's wrists and forearms were bruised while being attacked with the rifle butt (which broke).   

Nevill's watch fell off his arm while he was protecting himself. Source -Nevill's wrists and forearms were bruised while being attacked with the rifle butt (which broke).

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There is no doubt that Bamber repeatedly hitting Nevill's arms & wrists with such force the rifle butt broke, would result in Nevill's already blood stained watch getting damaged and falling off.

It proves nothing except there is a 52% percent possibility that Nevill wore his watch to bed therefore a 48% possibility that he didn't.  You can repeat it over and over but it still doesn't prove anymore than that. 

[lookout]

Nevill could have just removed his watch before showering after finishing his jobs at that late stage.

[maggie]

Nevill could have just removed his watch before showering after finishing his jobs at that late stage.

Exactly lookout.  There are various possibilities why Nevill may have removed his watch
 There are other possibilways reasons why he didn't remove it. It may have fallen off his arm in the kitchen but that doesn't prove it was JB who killed him either.     

[Adam]

It proves nothing except there is a 52% percent possibility that Nevill wore his watch to bed therefore a 48% possibility that he didn't.  You can repeat it over and over but it still doesn't prove anymore than that.

I am just giving sources. I appreciate you refuse to give sources & get very upset if I ask for one. Then say 'it proves nothing' when I give a source. 

As I said, the most logical explanation is Nevill went to bed with his watch on. As a lot of men do.

His watch got bloodstained, smashed & fell off while Bamber was violently hitting Nevill's arms and wrists with the rifle while Nevill was defending himself. 

Nevill's bruised wrists, forearms and the broken rifle butt support this. But feel free to say the watch 'fell off the work top'.

[Adam]

Not sure how Nevill's watch got bloodstained and damaged by 'falling off the work top'.

Blood must have travelled several feet from Nevill across the room landing on the watch. Then the watch somehow got knocked onto the floor.

All this happening after Nevill got ready for bed & put his watch in the kitchen. Or took it off earlier & left it in there !

It must have been a very weak watch, to smash after travelling from a work surface to the floor. Where did he get it from 'Toys r Us' ?

I prefer to believe the watch was smashed while Nevill's wrists and forearms were getting brutally hit and bruised by the rifle butt. The rifle butt breaking in the process.

[lookout]

The watch could have fallen from the table onto the rug where it wouldn't have smashed. Do we know it was smashed ? If so,what part did it truthfully play in a mass murder,it's just an incidental.

[Steve_uk]

Not sure how Nevill's watch got bloodstained and damaged by 'falling off the work top'.

Blood must have travelled several feet from Nevill across the room landing on the watch. Then the watch somehow got knocked onto the floor.

All this happening after Nevill got ready for bed & put his watch in the kitchen. Or took it off earlier & left it in there !

It must have been a very weak watch, to smash after travelling from a work surface to the floor. Where did he get it from 'Toys r Us' ?

I prefer to believe the watch was smashed while Nevill's wrists and forearms were getting brutally hit and bruised by the rifle butt. The rifle butt breaking in the process.

I know this is supposition, but if Nevill took off his watch to have a shower in the downstairs cloakroom he would surely have noticed the ammunition spilled out on the blue and white chequered worktop and put it away. Likewise with the gun on the settle.

It all smacks of Jeremy staging the scene, or we are into more convoluted scenarios.

[Adam]

The watch could have fallen from the table onto the rug where it wouldn't have smashed. Do we know it was smashed ? If so,what part did it truthfully play in a mass murder,it's just an incidental.

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We have considered the potential impact that Action 94 might have had on the jury. We think it is wholly unrealistic to suggest that the jury might have been persuaded by it that there had not been a violent struggle in the kitchen. Even if one discounts the evidence of the overturned stools and chairs and the broken sugar bowl, there was sufficient other evidence to suggest a violent struggle.

Mr Bamber's body lay across an overturned chair that can have had nothing to do with the actions of the TFG, the light fitting was broken, there were the injuries apart from the shot wounds to Mr Bamber, there was the piece broken off the rifle stock, there were score marks under the mantelpiece where it had been struck by the sound moderator attached to the rifle.

And there was Mr Bamber's watch lying damaged under a rug on the other side of the room.

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Subsequent searches of this room revealed Nevill Bamber's blood stained wristwatch under a rug and a piece of broken butt from the rifle on the floor.

[Adam]

Bamber may have put the watch under the rug. Confident it would not be found so he could collect it at a later date. He's not going to take incriminating evidence back with him.

Otherwise the watch fell off Nevill's wrist and the rug then got moved during the fight.

[Adam]

The broken rifle butt occurred due to the skull blows Bamber made on Nevill. It is very doubtful the rifle butt would break due to the wrist and forearm blows.

However the butt breaking due to the skull blows on Nevill's head show how powerfully Bamber would have been hitting Nevill's forearms, wrists and the watch seconds earlier.

[lookout]

No------Bamber would have pocketed the watch. Remember,greed ? His main reason for " committing murder " ? Therefore he'd have lifted anything that had been saleable at the time ? You can't have a greedy thief leaving valuables behind,it doesn't work. 

[Steve_uk]

The broken rifle butt occurred due to the skull blows Bamber made on Nevill. It is very doubtful the rifle butt would break due to the wrist and forearm blows.

However the butt breaking due to the skull blows on Nevill's head show how powerfully Bamber would have been hitting Nevill's forearms, wrists and the watch seconds earlier.

Yes that's true. How could Sheila, a recovering anorexic, exhausted and keeping up appearances that week possibly have applied so much force that the rifle stock broke? Have any experiments ever been conducted in this area?

[Steve_uk]

No------Bamber would have pocketed the watch. Remember,greed ? His main reason for " committing murder " ? Therefore he'd have lifted anything that had been saleable at the time ? You can't have a greedy thief leaving valuables behind,it doesn't work.

But he left the wallet behind remember. Maybe he thought better not to remove it lest it could be traced back forensically to him, so hid it under the rug to retrieve it at leisure at a future date.