*Unequivocal Proof Jeremy Bamber is innocent*

[ngb1066]

I don't understand why nobody can seemingly do a documentary about the silencer alone.  Its' importance in the case and its' anomalies surely warrent a 30 minute slot.  I know Simon McKay in effect achieved this but that was based almost solely on the forensic tests regarding photographs of the wounds - not the issues surrounding the discovery and custody of the exhibit etc. 

How did McKay get the ITV documentary comissioned?

Mark Williams-Thomas was introduced to the case initially through Jackie Preece's twitter campaign.  He then joined this forum and read the material and decided to make a documentary.  He was put in contact with Simon MacKay who cooperated with him.  He did have material for a further documentary but that is another story.

 

[Adam]

Mark Williams-Thomas was introduced to the case initially through Jackie Preece's twitter campaign.  He then joined this forum and read the material and decided to make a documentary.  He was put in contact with Simon MacKay who cooperated with him.  He did have material for a further documentary but that is another story.

Jackie said last year she was going to make a 6 part documentary on the case. Hopefully this project has not been abandoned & it will been shown this year.

Do you believe the police or relatives fabricated the silencer. Or was it a joint effort ?

[Nigel]

Jackie said last year she was going to make a 6 part documentary on the case. Hopefully this project has not been abandoned & it will been shown this year.

Do you believe the police or relatives fabricated the silencer. Or was it a joint effort ?

What do you believe?
'the police or relatives fabricated the silencer. Or was it a joint effort ?'

[Adam]

What do you believe?
'the police or relatives fabricated the silencer. Or was it a joint effort ?'

For me it has to be a joint effort.

If the police fabricated the silencer, they would have to ask the relatives to lie in their witness statements & say they found it.

I don't agree with David & Buddy that the relatives acted independently and scrapped period blood off wet underwear into the silencer. Then scratched the aga without knowing what the crime scene pictures showed.

Hopefully NGB will give his view. He has been close to the case so may have a new view.

[mike tesko]

I believe it would be (a) in the public Interest, and (b) in the interest of justice, that there should be an in depth (tv) documentary about the sound moderator evidence in this prosecution!

There now exists a body of documentary evidence to confirm that the sound moderator evidence, with Sheila's blood and paint from the kitchen aga linked to it, can no longer be relied upon to sustain the credibility of these convictions. It has not helped matters by the strength with which the prosecutions case relied so heavily upon the presentation of this evidence, during the trial, and authenticated by the trial judge in his ghastly summing up, where he reminded the jury in forceful terms how Sheila Caffells blood had got forced back into the sound moderator at the time she had got shot and killed, and how with the sound moderator attached to the end of the guns barrel, the overall length of the weapon would have been much too long to enable her to have shot herself, even if she had wanted to..

How also, was it possible once she had shot herself hypothetically, had Sheila managed to unscrew the sound moderator from the end of the guns barrel (when she was dead), and take it all the way downstairs to conceal it inside a box hidden away in a cupboard in the downstairs office (den), and lo and behold, how Sheila had managed to return back upstairs, and lay down dead on the main bedroom floor, in possession of the now 'silencerless' rifle?

Well...

All of these factors fall by the wayside, if the sound moderator in question 'WAS NOT USED'...

[Nigel]

I believe it would be (a) in the public Interest, and (b) in the interest of justice, that there should be an in depth (tv) documentary about the sound moderator evidence in this prosecution!

There now exists a body of documentary evidence to confirm that the sound moderator evidence, with Sheila's blood and paint from the kitchen aga linked to it, can no longer be relied upon to sustain the credibility of these convictions. It has not helped matters by the strength with which the prosecutions case relied so heavily upon the presentation of this evidence, during the trial, and authenticated by the trial judge in his ghastly summing up, where he reminded the jury in forceful terms how Sheila Caffells blood had got forced back into the sound moderator at the time she had got shot and killed, and how with the sound moderator attached to the end of the guns barrel, the overall length of the weapon would have been much too long to enable her to have shot herself, even if she had wanted to..

How also, was it possible once she had shot herself hypothetically, had Sheila managed to unscrew the sound moderator from the end of the guns barrel (when she was dead), and take it all the way downstairs to conceal it inside a box hidden away in a cupboard in the downstairs office (den), and lo and behold, how Sheila had managed to return back upstairs, and lay down dead on the main bedroom floor, in possession of the now 'silencerless' rifle?

Well...

All of these factors fall by the wayside, if the sound moderator in question 'WAS NOT USED'...

Access to the gun cupboard to place Moderator via door Neville was against and kitchen staircase to upstairs were BLOCKED.
It could not have been Jeremy, unless he can walk through walls.

[mike tesko]

For me it has to be a joint effort.

If the police fabricated the silencer, they would have to ask the relatives to lie in their witness statements & say they found it.

I don't agree with David & Buddy that the relatives acted independently and scrapped period blood off wet underwear into the silencer. Then scratched the aga without knowing what the crime scene pictures showed.

Hopefully NGB will give his view. He has been close to the case so may have a new view.

I am as guilty as the next person for trying to get people to talk about the silencer  issue, in particular, that there had been two different sound moderators involved in this police investigation, at one time or another..

I do not regret going down that avenue, because at the end of the day any teething problems with that suggestion have been ironed out - we now know, for example, that Anthony Pargeters sound moderator was not present at the scene at the time of the shootings...

I was guided by what Jeremy told me, and I don't regret pursuing that matter based upon Jeremy's information! Jeremy wasn't there at the time members of his family were shot to death, so its irrelevant what Jeremy thinks, or thought!

Anthony Pargeter had taken his sound moderator home on the penultimate week - end prior to the shooting tragedy! There was only one sound moderator present at whf at the time of the shootings! If I am wrong, then obviously Anthony Pargeter has a lot of questions to answer for!

The only sound moderator present at the scene at the time of these shootings was the sound moderator belonging to the anshuzt rifle...

[Nigel]

I am as guilty as the next person for trying to get people to talk about the silencer  issue, in particular, that there had been two different sound moderators involve in this police investigation, at one time or another..

I do not regret going down that avenue, because at the end of the day any teething problems with that suggestion have been ironed out - we now know, for example, that Anthony Pargeters sound moderator was not present at the scene at the time of the shootings...

I was guided by what Jeremy told me, and I don't regret pursuing that matter based upon Jeremy's information! Jeremy wasn't there at the time members of his family were shot to death, so its irrelevant what Jeremy thinks, or thought!

Anthony Pargeter had taken his sound moderator home on the penultimate week - end prior to the shooting tragedy! There was only one sound moderator present at whf at the time of the shootings! If I am wrong, then obviously Anthony Pargeter has a lot of questions to answer for!

The only sound moderator present at the scene at the time of these shootings was the sound moderator belonging to the anshuzt rifle...

and the sound moderator was in the gun cupboard?, as Jeremy left WHF on the night of the Tuesday the 6th August 1985?

[mike tesko]

and it was in the gun cupboard?, as Jeremy left WHF on the night of the Tuesday the 6th August 1985?

YES...

'Not used at all in the tragedy, since as Jeremy reported to DCI Jones, and DS Jones on the 9th August 1985, the sound moderator was not fitted to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle, at the time he loaded bullets into the magazine of the rifle in the kitchen that evening!

I can confirm that on the many occasions I personally raised this with Jeremy, he always responded in the negative!

[mike tesko]

YES...

'Not used at all in the tragedy, since as Jeremy reported to DCI Jones, and DS Jones on the 9th August 1985, the sound moderator was not fitted to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle, at the time he loaded bullets into the magazine of the rifle in the kitchen that evening!

I can confirm that on the many occasions I personally raised this with Jeremy, he always responded in the negative!

Lets take a different approach...

On the 9th August 1985, on DS Jones own admittance, both he and DCI Jones raised the question about the sound moderator, 'was it fitted to the barrel of the gun' that evening?

'NO', said Jeremy....

[mike tesko]

Lets take a different approach...

On the 9th August 1985, on DS Jones own admittance, both he and DCI Jones raised the question about the sound moderator, 'was it fitted to the barrel of the gun' that evening?

'NO', said Jeremy....

If Jeremy had been involved, and he had used the sound moderator, what better timing for the police to warn him that they were interested in the sound moderator?

If, Jeremy had been involved, wouldn't he have sought the sound moderator out, and disposed of it altogether, rather than leave it where he supposedly concealed it, knowing that at any stage somebody was going to recover it?

Was Jeremy Bamber, that dumb?

[Nigel]

Lets take a different approach...

On the 9th August 1985, on DS Jones own admittance, both he and DCI Jones raised the question about the sound moderator, 'was it fitted to the barrel of the gun' that evening?

'NO', said Jeremy....

Why did DS Jones and DCI Jones ask that question?
I thought 'the sound moderator' hadn't been found by then Friday the 9th August 1985
The sound moderator was not part of the equation on the 6th 7th 8th or 9th August 1985

[Steve_uk]

For me it has to be a joint effort.

If the police fabricated the silencer, they would have to ask the relatives to lie in their witness statements & say they found it.

I don't agree with David & Buddy that the relatives acted independently and scrapped period blood off wet underwear into the silencer. Then scratched the aga without knowing what the crime scene pictures showed.

Hopefully NGB will give his view. He has been close to the case so may have a new view.

He won't. He never expresses a personal opinion about anything. He is above the fray, you see..

[Adam]

He won't. He never expresses a person opinion about anything. He is above the fray, you see..

That is a pity. Mike the other moderator talks about the silencer a lot. I was wondering if he agreed with Mike.

[mike tesko]

Why did DS Jones and DCI Jones ask that question?
I thought 'the sound moderator' hadn't been found by then Friday the 9th August 1985
The sound moderator was not part of the equation on the 6th 7th 8th or 9th August 1985

Ah, well...

I suppose it depends upon what you choose to believe..

DS Stan Jones took possession of the sound moderator from the scene on the 7th August 1985 ('SBJ/1')...