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If Sheila wasn't the killer, and she was killed last of all (as in the prosecution's scenario), how did the killer return the sound moderator into the cupboard in the den?
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If Sheila wasn't the killer, and she was killed last of all (as in the prosecution's scenario), how did the killer return the sound moderator into the cupboard in the den?

The killer couldn't go to the den to conceal the sound moderator via that internal kitchen door, because that route was effectively blocked off by Neville Bambers body sat on a chair behind that door!
« Last Edit: March 15, 2018, 09:01:PM by mike tesko »
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If Sheila wasn't the killer, and she was killed last of all (as in the prosecution's scenario), how did the killer return the sound moderator into the cupboard in the den?

Great job Mike, please can you comment on scratches what were not there, then mysterious appeared as point 4) here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9278.0.html

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« Last Edit: March 15, 2018, 09:02:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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The killer couldn't go to the den to conceal the sound moderator via that internal kitchen door, because that route was effectively blocked off by Neville Bambers body sat on a chair behind that door!

And, if Sheila was last to die (in the prosecution's scenario) why would there have been a need to even use a sound moderator, if everyone else but Sheila had already been killed off!
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So, with Sheila being killed off last of all, upstairs on the bedroom floor with the sound moderator still on the barrel of the gun, her killer would have to remove the moderator, go into the upstairs bathroom, unbolt the wall panel that afforded access to the other upstairs part of the farmhouse, and go all the way down the back stairs, into the hallway outside the internal kitchen door behind which Neville Bambers body was sat and blocking the door off, turn into the den, go to the cupboard in the corner of the den, rummage about until the killer found an almost empty ammunition box and place the sound moderator inside it, replace the box, shut the cupboard door, and then what?

Well, presumably the killer would then have to back track his way out of the den, along the back passage, up the back stairs, go from one side of the upper part of the farmhouse on one side of the bathroom panel, to the other, making sure that the killer remembered to bolt the bath panel, and then what?
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So, with Sheila being killed off last of all, upstairs on the bedroom floor with the sound moderator still on the barrel of the gun, her killer would have to remove the moderator, go into the upstairs bathroom, unbolt the wall panel that afforded access to the other upstairs part of the farmhouse, and go all the way down the back stairs, into the hallway outside the internal kitchen door behind which Neville Bambers body was sat and blocking the door off, turn into the den, go to the cupboard in the corner of the den, rummage about until the killer found an almost empty ammunition box and place the sound moderator inside it, replace the box, shut the cupboard door, and then what?

Well, presumably the killer would then have to back track his way out of the den, along the back passage, up the back stairs, go from one side of the upper part of the farmhouse on one side of the bathroom panel, to the other, making sure that the killer remembered to bolt the bath panel, and then what?

Made good his escape via a window?
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Seems like an awful lot of trouble somebody would have had to go to to use the sound moderator in these shootings, and then to hide it where relatives later claimed they had found it! The cupboard in the den said to be where relatives found the sound moderator would have been off limits to the killer, no matter who the killer might have been! Access to that sound moderator, use of it, and its return back into that cupboard seems to be significantly problematic!
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Seems like an awful lot of trouble somebody would have had to go to to use the sound moderator in these shootings, and then to hide it where relatives later claimed they had found it! The cupboard in the den said to be where relatives found the sound moderator would have been off limits to the killer, no matter who the killer might have been!

I 100% agree.
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Seems like an awful lot of trouble somebody would have had to go to to use the sound moderator in these shootings, and then to hide it where relatives later claimed they had found it! The cupboard in the den said to be where relatives found the sound moderator would have been off limits to the killer, no matter who the killer might have been! Access to that sound moderator, use of it, and its return back into that cupboard seems to be significantly problematic!
So problematic, in fact, that if Sheila did escape upstairs and shot herself in the bedroom in keeping with Jeremy Bambers account, how come police did not find the sound moderator still attached to the guns barrel? Would Sheila really go to such a lot of trouble to have been able to return the sound moderator to the cupboard in the den, just because she couldn't have shot herself with that moderator attached on the end of the guns barrel, because it was too long? So, if she worked that out somehow, why would she go to all the trouble and messing around to get the moderator back in the cupboard where it belonged? It doesn't add up or make any sense, since surely if Sheila shot herself, and she'd figured out that she couldn't shoot herself with the moderator on the gun, she would simply have unscrewed it, and tossed it to one side wouldn't she?
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So problematic, in fact, that if Sheila did escape upstairs and shot herself in the bedroom in keeping with Jeremy Bambers account, how come police did not find the sound moderator still attached to the guns barrel? Would Sheila really go to such a lot of trouble to have been able to return the sound moderator to the cupboard in the den, just because she couldn't have shot herself with that moderator attached on the end of the guns barrel, because it was too long? So, if she worked that out somehow, why would she go to all the trouble and messing around to get the moderator back in the cupboard where it belonged? It doesn't add up or make any sense, since surely if Sheila shot herself, and she'd figured out that she couldn't shoot herself with the moderator on the gun, she would simply have unscrewed it, and tossed it to one side wouldn't she?

A sound moderator was was not used in these killings, FACT.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2018, 09:42:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.