Author Topic: Location of Neville's body and the importance of the BLOCKED staircase  (Read 8670 times)

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Offline mike tesko

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Its the back office staircase door that was bolted. No, it wasn't, cops searched the upstairs office and had to smash open a door of a store room at the top of the back stairs! It was the storeroom door that was bolted from the inside, and in that same storeroom was the loft opening! The significance of this / that was that cops thought that somebody might be concealed in the roof space because the storeroom door was bolted from the inside, and had to have been locked like that, and whoever had done so,
 had climbed out into the loft and possibly out onto the roof of the farmhouse via a sky lark window! Even to this day, it has never been established who, when and why that storeroom door was bolted from the inside. The first floor was divided into two parts, one side which incorporate the upstairs office and the storeroom, and the bedroom and bathroom on the other side, separated by a panel in the bathroom which was bolted on the bathroom side of that panel...


NOT the kitchen staircase AS THERE WAS NO DOOR AT TOP - see PLANS. Believe what you like, I know what I know to be the truth, I believe what Jeremy has told me, and I choose to believe what the police said about it...

Contact Jeremy, and get the truth from the horses mouth...
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If you are so knowledgeable about the case, answer me this:

When was this photograph taken, and who by?


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In any event, Neville Bamber body was much closer to the kitchen door at the time police entered the farmhouse, than where it eventually ended up being photographed - his body was seated on one chair, with his head and shoulders resting on the back of a second chair which his killer had placed there to support his upper body and to prevent it from toppling over! Whoever that person was who sat Neveille down like that never intended police to come into that kitchen through that door...

But cops did, they toppled over Neveilles body and staged his death scene prior to 10.00am when PC Bird (second team of SOCO) captured it in photographs...

Seems somewhat obvious to me then that the back stairs were not accessible to the killer after Neville Bambers body was staged like that!
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If you are so knowledgeable about the case, answer me this:

When was this photograph taken, and who by?

It's been incorporated into several TV Documentaries (including SKY) since the time of the tragedy, so I can't say that this copy of this photograph is the one taken by either the first team of SOCO (DC Oakey or DC Henderson), between 9.00am and 10.00am,  or by the second team of SOCO (PC David Bird) after 10.00am...

But what I can say, and what I do know is that when this image was taken the body of Neville Bamber, was still present in the kitchen because his head is captured in the coal hod...
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The police moved Neville Bambers body into this position after they entered the kitchen!

Look at the way a seat cushion, a towel and a pair of cotton trousers have been placed upon the floor immediately around the base of the coal hod inwhich Neviles head was conveniently positioned and placed! These items of clothing were obviously out there by police to prevent the spread of blood further afield upon the kitchen floor! Yet, the court was led to believe that this was exactly how police found his body when they first entered the kitchen!!

What?
« Last Edit: March 14, 2018, 03:31:PM by mike tesko »
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The police moved Neville Bambers body into this position after they entered the kitchen!

Look at the way a seat cushion, a towel and a pair of cotton trousers have been placed upon the floor immediately around the base of the coal hod inwhich Neviles head was conveniently positioned and placed! These items of clothing were obviously out there by police to prevent the spread of blood further afield upon the kitchen floor! Yet, the court was led to believe that this was exactly how police found his body when they first entered the kitchen!!

What?

That's some coincidence, don't you all think?

Failing that, it appears we have a somewhat considerate killer who was mindful enough to place the items there at the base of the coal hod, because she or he was concerned about Neville's blood being spilled?
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The police moved Neville Bambers body into this position after they entered the kitchen!

Look at the way a seat cushion, a towel and a pair of cotton trousers have been placed upon the floor immediately around the base of the coal hod inwhich Neviles head was conveniently positioned and placed! These items of clothing were obviously out there by police to prevent the spread of blood further afield upon the kitchen floor! Yet, the court was led to believe that this was exactly how police found his body when they first entered the kitchen!!

What?


"Yet, the court was led to believe "

What were the court was led to believe regarding the BLOCKED staircase?



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"Yet, the court was led to believe " My reference using this, was that either Neville Bambers head had naturally fell into the Coal hod and the items were already positioned there beforehand as though it was known beforehand that the position of these would serve to prevent blood from Nevilles head wounds spreading further a field on the kitchen floor, or that whoever had killed Neveille had been mindful of trying to contain the spread of Neveille Bambers blood all over the kitchen floor unnecessarily! When if the truth had been told, it was the police who had placed Neville Bambers head in that coal hod, and it was the police who placed those items of clothing, a towel and a seat cushion from one of the overturned chairs there, police did this during the 'informatives that were carried out by senior officers inside the premises between 9.00am and 10.00am, accompanied by the first team of SOCO (DC Oakey and DC Henderson) in tow...

Only then after 10.00am were the second team of SOCO allowed into the premises to record the scene as found by them at 'that' time - as a result PC Bird photographed the restaged crime scenes of the three adult victims deaths, as set out by the senior officers during 'informatives'...

The court which tried Jeremy Bamber was therefore seriously deceived by what they were shown in photographs relied upon by the prosecution throughout the entire trial, the crime scene had been rigorously altered by the police, and the court were not told about this! The CPS and ESSEX police have known all along that the photographic evidence in this prosecution of Jeremy Bamber was fabricated to give a false impression that this was how the bodies of the three adult victims had been found, when it was not!

 
What were the court was led to believe regarding the BLOCKED staircase? Nothing was said at all about the spiral stairs in the corner of the kitchen being blocked off, to my knowlege..
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. . . regarding the BLOCKED staircase
Where was that staircase referred to as blocked prior to your references to it as blocked?

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Where was that staircase referred to as blocked prior to your references to it as blocked?


Hi Reader,


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Where was that staircase referred to as blocked prior to your references to it as blocked?

Also debris shown, out of sight, RED ARROW which for an extra 'quick to hand' storage area is rather odd.

« Last Edit: March 14, 2018, 07:50:PM by Nigel »
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My question "if Jeremy murdered his family, how did he put rifle on Sheila's body"

Baring in mind only access to upstairs was via a BLOCKED staircase, image below.
STILL has not been answered.


I would also like to know if the Jury heard or saw the word BLOCKED in relation to said staircase, image below.

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. . . when police tried to open the cellar door it was stuck and one officer shoulder charged it . . .
The door was, I think, locked, not stuck. In any case, this door would have opened outward, not inward. I don't recall any document that supports the notion that an officer shoulder charged the door. Previous references to the cellar staircase suggest that it had become rotten, and gave way when an officer attempted to go down it.

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The door was, I think, locked, not stuck. In any case, this door would have opened outward, not inward. I don't recall any document that supports the notion that an officer shoulder charged the door. Previous references to the cellar staircase suggest that it had become rotten, and gave way when an officer attempted to go down it.

Lets leave it at the fact that forward pressure on that cellar door, resulted in one of the firearm officers falling head over heels down into the cellar - you would hardly fall down into the cellar if the force you were exerting against such a door, was in a direction away from the cellar into which the officer tumbled...
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Lets leave it at the fact that forward pressure on that cellar door, resulted in one of the firearm officers falling head over heels down into the cellar - you would hardly fall down into the cellar if the force you were exerting against such a door, was in a direction away from the cellar into which the officer tumbled...

Lets also get the farcts right....

it wasn't until the officer concerned tumbled down into the cellar, that additional firearm officers were called into the premises to assist...
« Last Edit: March 14, 2018, 09:44:PM by mike tesko »
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