"What happened? How did they die? Where were they found?"

[Caroline]

It's difficult when you're finding something in a book,trying to concentrate on the forum----while watching the news as well.

So you do one thing at a time. You still haven't provided the page number of Colin's book yet.

[lookout]

So you do one thing at a time. You still haven't provided the page number of Colin's book yet.

.Had my lunch an hour ago,fed the cats,let them out then back in again,watched Family at War,made a cup of drinking chocolate,ate half a box of Maltesers-----------------give me a chance. I wish I'd bookmarked the damn page.

[Caroline]

.Had my lunch an hour ago,fed the cats,let them out then back in again,watched Family at War,made a cup of drinking chocolate,ate half a box of Maltesers-----------------give me a chance. I wish I'd bookmarked the damn page.

If you have an idea of where in the book it might be (beginning, middle, end or what he was talking about when he mentioned it?) I will help you look.

[lookout]

Because Colin's story jumps from one thing to another it's hard to tell if it was the beginning,middle or end.

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Page 35. 10 round ammunition case nearby---------where Sheila had lain. A police witness also had this in his statement.

[mike tesko]

These, surely would have been a few of the questions asked by the relatives of a murdered family. Let's take a minute to look at what we'd have wanted to hear in the first minutes of hearing such terrible information. Would we have wanted to learn that mother and daughter had been shot to a bloody pulp and left, like discarded rag dolls on the floor, Er, yes, if that was how the victims bodies had been found, surely everybody of sound mind would appreciate being told the truth, particularly if such people were asking the police for the specifics in question  - you would not expect the police to tell you a pack of lies about Sheila and Junes bodies being laid side by side on top of the bed, with a Bible on top of Sheila's chest, and the gun resting on the bed in-between both bodies, if the bodies were languishing upon the bedroom floor either side of the bed, one with multiple gun shot wounds, the other shot twice! Now, it seems somewhat pertinent to me, that for one reason or another, the cops that told Ann Eaton and the others at Jeremy's cottage that Sheila only had been shot once,
told them that because when Jones and Clark had seen Sheila's body laid on top of the bed, that she had quite literally only been shot just the once by that stage!

If you have an idea of where in the book it might be (beginning, middle, end or what he was talking about when he mentioned it?) I will help you look.

[/color][/i]or might we have preferred to hear that they were laying side by side, on the bed. Only if they were laid on top of the bed, side by side one another! It makes them no less dead, but knowing the truth, and reporting the truth is what has to be told, otherwise make an excuse not to want to talk about it, because it's still under investigation! Make no mistakes about it, when Jones and Clark visited the main bedroom scene the bodies of Sheila and June were laid out side by side on top of the bed, the gun resting on the bed in-between both bodies, and Sheila had a Bible on top of her chest!but may conjure up a slightly more acceptable image, I can't believe that anyone is trying to condone the police telling deliberate lies!!in the same way that it was appropriate to tell them that one of the little boys still had his thumb in his mouth, because he did.. as opposed to telling them that the child's head was destroyed. anyone who wanted to know the gory details would find out later at the inquest!The whole truth of the terrible injuries could wait until such time that the relatives could properly process it. Condoning police officers to tell deliberate lies is not acceptable, it's like suggesting that the cops who edited and tampered with the witness statements in the Hillsboro's tragedy cover up did nothing wrong or dishonest! It seems to me, that what was done as an act of kindness -to soften an horrendous blow- has been distorted beyond all recognition and turned into an act of deliberate deception. No, you have got that all wrong, since what Jones and Clark both saw they reported it accurately to Ann Eaton and the others, Jones and Clark did not know that back at the scene, senior officers were restaging the circumstances of Sheila Caffell's death on the bedroom floor, as opposed to on the bed where Jones and Clark had both seen it! The senior officers concerned, did not know or expect Jones and Clark to tell anybody anything about the positions of bodies at the scene! The officers in question have never offered up such a pathetic explanation along the lines you are suggesting - surely the police can speak for themselves,
can't they?

[mike tesko]

How puzzling, also, that Ann Eaton has never mentioned this discrepancy in the account given to her by Jones and Clark on the first morning of the police investigation, when by the time of the inquest and the trial, she must have found out that police were saying that the bodies of Sheila and June were not on the bed, but on the floor either side of the bed?

Ann Eaton kept handwritten notes about anything and everything, yet for some inexplicable reason, she chooses to remain mute on the matter!!

Imagine how she must have felt when she found out that according to the police radio message log contents, Sheila's body was neither found upon the bed, or upon the bedroom floor upstairs, but rather downstairs in the kitchen (she'd have run out of notepaper or cards, and pens documenting all these conflicting accounts regarding where the body of Sheila had been reported as being dead)! How many different versions of where cops found Sheila's body would be acceptable to anyone wanting to know the truth?

[mike tesko]

How puzzling, also, that Ann Eaton has never mentioned this discrepancy in the account given to her by Jones and Clark on the first morning of the police investigation, when by the time of the inquest and the trial, she must have found out that police were saying that the bodies of Sheila and June were not on the bed, but on the floor either side of the bed?

Ann Eaton kept handwritten notes about anything and everything, yet for some inexplicable reason, she chooses to remain mute on the matter!!

Imagine how she must have felt when she found out that according to the police radio message log contents, Sheila's body was neither found upon the bed, or upon the bedroom floor upstairs, but rather downstairs in the kitchen (she'd have run out of notepaper or cards, and pens documenting all these conflicting accounts regarding where the body of Sheila had been reported as being dead)! How many different versions of where cops found Sheila's body would be acceptable to anyone wanting to know the truth?

And then there is her father, Robert Boutflour, surely no-one is brazen enough to suggest that this wazzerk never heard all the various accounts about where cops found Sheila's body - downstairs in the kitchen, upstairs on top of the bed, and on the bedroom floor at the side of the bed!

This wazzerk would have played merry hell and written out chapter and verse regarding all these contradictory features concerning the alleged whereabouts of Sheila's body, at this time, or that time, or whenever!

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Page 35. 10 round ammunition case nearby---------where Sheila had lain. A police witness also had this in his statement.

Reading through some posts,one giving reference to 5 mystery bullets that hadn't belonged to the ones which had been fired. No fingerprinting done. No serial numbers given. These were not from the box of 50.

[mike tesko]

Why have the relatives kept silent about all this inconsistent accounts in the police evidence concerning the whereabouts of Sheila Caffell's body at different stages of the proceedings?

[mike tesko]

Why have the relatives kept silent about all this inconsistent accounts in the police evidence concerning the whereabouts of Sheila Caffell's body at different stages of the proceedings?

They have remained tight lipped about all these inconsistencies because these are the very grounds they relied upon to force Essex police to prosecute Jeremy Bamber as the killer!

[mike tesko]

They have remained tight lipped about all these inconsistencies because these are the very grounds they relied upon to force Essex police to prosecute Jeremy Bamber as the killer!

It's called, 'blackmail', which was what they relatives did to get Jeremy Bamber convicted as the killer - the relatives know that Sheila's body was originally reported dead downstairs in the kitchen, and that later on she was pronounced dead on the far side of the bed in the main bedroom, and they knew that Sheila ended up on the main bedroom floor dead with an additional bullet wound in her throat, and that cops shot Sheila in the bedroom!

[mike tesko]

It's called, 'blackmail', which was what they relatives did to get Jeremy Bamber convicted as the killer - the relatives know that Sheila's body was originally reported dead downstairs in the kitchen, and that later on she was pronounced dead on the far side of the bed in the main bedroom, and they knew that Sheila ended up on the main bedroom floor dead with an additional bullet wound in her throat, and that cops shot Sheila in the bedroom!

Robert Boutflour contacted Dr Craig and got confirmation from him that Sheila had only got a single bullet wound to her throat when he viewed her body on the far side of the bed and pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am! That was all part f the pressure the relatives heaped upon Essex police to force them to stitch Jeremy Bamber up as the killer!

All the relatives knew and know that Sheila's body was reported in three separate locations inside the farmhouse as being dead, at different stages of the police investigation between 7.35am and 10.00am - this convinced the relatives that the cops had shot and killed Sheila, and that the relatives knew that the staging of Sheila's body in possession of the rifle on the bedroom floor by the cops, was done for the simple purpose of trying to cover up police involvement in Sheila Caffell's death!

[mike tesko]

Why do you think that despite it becoming more and more well known in public circles, that there are serious inconsistencies regarding the whereabouts of Sheila Caffell's body at different stages in the police investigation (kitchen, on top of bed and on bedroom floor) that none of the relatives have jumped on the bandwagon publicly screaming for Jeremy's convictions to be relooked at?

[mike tesko]

Why do you think that despite it becoming more and more well known in public circles, that there are serious inconsistencies regarding the whereabouts of Sheila Caffell's body at different stages in the police investigation (kitchen, on top of bed and on bedroom floor) that none of the relatives have jumped on the bandwagon publicly screaming for Jeremy's convictions to be relooked at?

The reason you get no response from any of the relatives about these disturbing inconsistencies, is because they played that trump card themselves three decades ago, to get Essex police to prosecute Jeremy as the killer!