When did the relatives tell Julie about the lockable from outside window ?

[Adam]

I appreciate supporters like to stone wall difficult aspects of the case. But there needs to be some explanations on this important issue. The simple questions are -

Why did the relatives tell Julie about the kitchen window ?

When did the relatives tell Julie about the kitchen window ?

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At present only David has posted making a statement with no source & trying to deflect attention onto the bible.

[Adam]

The undisputed facts are -

The kitchen window could be banged shut from outside.

The sink tidy & utensils by the kitchen window were moved on the massacre night.

Bamber had lived & worked at WHF virtually all his life.

Julie knew about the kitchen window & told the police this.

Julie said in her WS & testified that Bamber told her about the kitchen window.

The relatives found out about the kitchen window on the 26th August 1985.

No relatives have ever said they told Julie about the kitchen window.

Bamber has never claimed a third party told Julie about the kitchen window.

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To counter the above, supporters need to give credible answers to why & when the relatives told Julie.

Does Bamber telling Julie there is a window which can be banged shut from outside make him 100% guilty ? No, it makes him 99% guilty.

[nugnug]

we dont know theydid tell her the police could of told her.

she could of asked jeremy these plenty of ways she could of found out.

[Adam]

we dont know theydid tell her the police could of told her.

she could of asked jeremy these plenty of ways she could of found out.

The police told Julie about the kitchen window. Was that after they told her about Matthew Macdonald ?

Anyway, I agree the relatives wouldn't & had no opportunity to tell Julie.

If the police told her, then a lot of other things in her WS were given to her  by the police.

This can only mean the industrial frame happened. If the police were prepared to create false WS's, then they will fabricate all other required evidence.

[David1819]

The undisputed facts are -

The sink tidy & utensils by the kitchen window were moved on the massacre night.

Photos taken on that morning show obstacles on and around sink right in-front of the window.

The undisputed facts are -

The relatives found out about the kitchen window on the 26th August 1985.

Miller and Barlows police notes show the relatives informed the police about the window on the 20th of August.

Furthermore they did not "find out" about it, it was their idea in the first place.

The undisputed facts are -

Bamber has never claimed a third party told Julie about the kitchen window.

It was claimed in court by defence counsel that she got the information from either the police or AE.

To counter the above, supporters need to give credible answers to why & when the relatives told Julie.

To counter the above all you need to do is expose it for the bullshit that it is. And that I have done

[Adam]

Photos taken on that morning show obstacles on and around sink right in-front of the window.






Miller and Barlows police notes show the relatives informed the police about the window on the 20th of August.

Furthermore they did not "find out" about it, it was their idea in the first place.



It was claimed in court by defence counsel that she got the information from either the police or AE.

To counter the above all you need to do is expose it for the bullshit that it is. And that I have done

The photograph shows nothing.

Do you believe Jean Boutflour created a false WS as well ?

I would rather go a submitted WS from AE rather than a scribbled note. More likely the note has a wrong date. Not that it's that important. Either way the relatives still had a very limited time scale.

Have you got a source that the defence claimed at trial Julie got the window information from the police or relatives ? A very serious accusation by the defence.

[Steve_uk]

Photos taken on that morning show obstacles on and around sink right in-front of the window.






Miller and Barlows police notes show the relatives informed the police about the window on the 20th of August.

Furthermore they did not "find out" about it, it was their idea in the first place.



It was claimed in court by defence counsel that she got the information from either the police or AE.

To counter the above all you need to do is expose it for the bullshit that it is. And that I have done

I would hardly call a distressed ornamental garden pedestal an obstacle designed to thwart the ambition of a ruthless operator bent on inheriting a £436,000 estate. But thanks for reminding me that Julie was entreated to hang around so Bamber had the excuse to keep the bicycle at Bourtree Cottage.

[guest154]

I would hardly call a distressed ornamental garden pedestal an obstacle designed to thwart the ambition of a ruthless operator bent on inheriting a £436,000 estate. But thanks for reminding me that Julie was entreated to hang around so Bamber had the excuse to keep the bicycle at Bourtree Cottage.

I think DDavid means the objects inside the house in front of the window. Not sure how what looks to be a couple of bottles would stop someone climbing out of that window, also not sure that it HAS to be that window that he used as his exit.

[nugnug]

The police told Julie about the kitchen window. Was that after they told her about Matthew Macdonald ?

Anyway, I agree the relatives wouldn't & had no opportunity to tell Julie.

If the police told her, then a lot of other things in her WS were given to her  by the police.

This can only mean the industrial frame happened. If the police were prepared to create false WS's, then they will fabricate all other required evidence.

well dont know as most of the orginal transcripts are still being kept secret.

if she had been inside whf i dont know weather she had or not she might know anyway without being told.

[Adam]

well dont know as most of the orginal transcripts are still being kept secret.

if she had been inside whf i dont know weather she had or not she might know anyway without being told.

How would Julie know the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside, just because she had been inside WHF. Did she check when Nevill wasn't looking ? No. 

An 'industrial frame' is one big conspiracy. So you are better off saying the police fabricated Julie's WS.

[nugnug]

How would Julie know the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside, just because she had been inside WHF. Did she check when Nevill wasn't looking ? No. 

An 'industrial frame' is one big conspiracy. So you are better off saying the police fabricated Julie's WS.

you don't know she could of seen somone locking when she visited if she visited  you

[Adam]

you don't know she could of seen somone locking when she visited if she visited  you

Julie saw someone locking the window when she visited WHF.

You lock windows from inside, not bang them shut from outside.

[Adam]

The photograph shows nothing.

Do you believe Jean Boutflour created a false WS as well ?

I would rather go a submitted WS from AE rather than a scribbled note. More likely the note has a wrong date. Not that it's that important. Either way the relatives still had a very limited time scale.

Have you got a source that the defence claimed at trial Julie got the window information from the police or relatives ? A very serious accusation by the defence.

Hopefully David will provide my requested source.

That the defence counsel claimed in court that Julie got information about the kitchen window from the police or relatives. Both very serious accusations.

Wilkes's book says the defence optimistically claimed Julie got information from the batch of newspapers Bamber bought the day after the massacre. However the media did not know about the kitchen window until months afterwards.

[Adam]

At the moment no progress has been made on when & why the relatives told Julie about the kitchen window. So far -

Nugs has claimed the police told Julie which supports an industrial frame.

Nugs then seemed to change his mind and said Julie may have seen someone bang the kitchen window shut from outside when she was at WHF. Although windows are always locked from inside.

David has brought up the bible & posted a snippet of scrap paper.

David has said the defence counsel claimed at court that the police or the relatives told Julie. But has not provided a requested source.

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Bamber & Julie were together for 18 months. Currently the only plausible explanation of how Julie knew, is Bamber told her.

Bamber would only tell Julie about this window if he was planning the massacre.

[Caroline]

I think DDavid means the objects inside the house in front of the window. Not sure how what looks to be a couple of bottles would stop someone climbing out of that window, also not sure that it HAS to be that window that he used as his exit.

It doesn't.