Did the police fabricate the rifle nozzle ?

[Adam]

Are YOU an expert Adam? NO.

I am not an expert.

Do you not agree that a contact shot in soft skin where there is high blood flow & vessels would produce back splatter ?

David agrees. The experts agree.

[buddy]

I am not an expert.

Do you not agree that a contact shot in soft skin where there is high blood flow & vessels would produce back splatter ?

David agrees. The experts agree.

No I don't agree. The area where Sheila was shot is not an area of high blood flow.
Speaking of experts do you agree that the photographic expert said that there were no marks on the mantle in the kitchen?
You can't use one expert as proof, and another as wrong.

[Adam]

No I don't agree. The area where Sheila was shot is not an area of high blood flow.
Speaking of experts do you agree that the photographic expert said that there were no marks on the mantle in the kitchen?
You can't use one expert as proof, and another as wrong.

Are you serious ?

The neck has arteries, blood vessels & high blood flow. There is no bone or skull in the way. Even David agrees.

You only have to look at the pictures of Sheila's neck to see this.

The experts said Sheila's contact shot would cause back splatter. With or without the silencer attached.

[Adam]

'Blood spatter created from gun-shot wounds depends upon: the type of gun used, the area on the body that has been hit, the depth of penetration of the bullet and the distance at which the gun was fired from the victim.

Close range shots to areas like the head, neck and heart tend to create the fastest travelling blood at the point of impact. These create very small spatters with messy edges and even misty spray.

Blood dripping from wounds after the moment of impact has a lower velocity and creates dripped blood with neater edges.'

[buddy]

Are you serious ?

The neck has arteries, blood vessels & high blood flow. There is no bone or skull in the way. Even David agrees.

You only have to look at the pictures of Sheila's neck to see this.

The experts said Sheila's contact shot would cause back splatter. With or without the silencer attached.

Yes Adam I am quite serious. The area of the neck where Sheila was shot carries few blood vessels.
Now answer the question. Do you discount the photographic expert and if so why.

[buddy]

'Blood spatter created from gun-shot wounds depends upon: the type of gun used, the area on the body that has been hit, the depth of penetration of the bullet and the distance at which the gun was fired from the victim.

Close range shots to areas like the head, neck and heart tend to create the fastest travelling blood at the point of impact. These create very small spatters with messy edges and even misty spray.

Blood dripping from wounds after the moment of impact has a lower velocity and creates dripped blood with neater edges.'

If that is true Adam, where did the blob of "jam" come from if it was a mist?

[Caroline]

Yes Adam I am quite serious. The area of the neck where Sheila was shot carries few blood vessels.
Now answer the question. Do you discount the photographic expert and if so why.

The first shot caused severe damage to the right external jugular vein Buddy.

[Adam]

Yes Adam I am quite serious. The area of the neck where Sheila was shot carries few blood vessels.
Now answer the question. Do you discount the photographic expert and if so why.

Ok. So experts Malcolm Fletcher and John Hayward were wrong. Someone should tell the campaign team.

[buddy]

The first shot caused severe damage to the right external jugular vein Buddy.

I totally respect your views Caroline, and consider you honest in your posts.
Sheila would have bled out, and no need for two shots IMO.

[buddy]

Ok. So experts Malcolm Fletcher and John Hayward were wrong. Someone should tell the campaign team.

Adam it is so simple. Do you discount the photographic expert. If you do then you have to discount other experts.

[Jan]

Adam if that’s the case why was the silencer not covered in blood inside and out and why was there only a flake left to test .

Also I sourced you and article that said that just because blood being drawn back can happen does not mean in every case that it does ?


So it does not mean that every contact shot produces the same outcome .

[Jan]

I have no idea what you are going on about.

The simple question is do you believe the police fabricated the rifle nozzle ?

And while you are here, do you believe the police approach the relatives or vice versa. Third time I have asked you this question.

It’s about the three hundredth and thirty third time I have told you What I believe Is  irelevant , it’s possibilities we are discussing . And I said I have not come to a conclusion but there is something odd going on. Why did the next set of statements the family make not even mention the silencer with blood on it . Why did the police not take statements when they collected it . When they were told about the blood , where it was found and what the family believe why did they not handle it in a forensic manner . Why did the family not follow up a report on their “ finding” until around 11th sept .

So many questions .

[Caroline]

Adam it is so simple. Do you discount the photographic expert. If you do then you have to discount other experts.

Aww thanks Buddy and likewise  .

Not really my argument this one as you know what I think as far as the silencer is concerned.

[Jane]

I totally respect your views Caroline, and consider you honest in your posts.
Sheila would have bled out, and no need for two shots IMO.

You're correct, Buddy. She would have....................eventually. The first wound being mortal, NOT immediately fatal. Trouble was, did Jeremy know that? Could he take a chance? Hey, give the guy a break! At least he knew, unlike the police who allegedly shot her and left her for dead, she was still alive. Either he took pity on her plight OR couldn't take the risk of her recovering enough to raise the alarm.

[Adam]

It’s about the three hundredth and thirty third time I have told you What I believe Is  irelevant , it’s possibilities we are discussing . And I said I have not come to a conclusion but there is something odd going on. Why did the next set of statements the family make not even mention the silencer with blood on it . Why did the police not take statements when they collected it . When they were told about the blood , where it was found and what the family believe why did they not handle it in a forensic manner . Why did the family not follow up a report on their “ finding” until around 11th sept .

So many questions .

Why do you post if what you believe is irrelevant ?

You're not going to answer two simple questions. Who approached who & did the police fabricate the rifle nozzle.

To be fair no supporters have ever said who approached who. As both scenarios are too ridiculous. 

Agreeing that the police fabricated the rifle nozzle (which they did) just highlights the police fabricated the silencer & then asked the relatives to lie in their WS's & committ perjury. Which is too ridiculous to contemplate.

David's & Buddy's sick period blood theory has been dismissed as there are too many immpossibilities & the relatives were not able to fabricate the rifle nozzle.

I will have to create a thread on this important subject.