Why was David Boutflour reporting the find of silencer to rifle so late in day?

[mike tesko]

Why would David Boutflour decide to contact the police on the 12th September 1985, to report him finding the silencer to the rifle if he had found it a month beforehand, and it had already been in police and the Lab's possession ever since 12th August 1985, when gun dealers Peter Eaton handed the said silencer over to Stan Jones!

[mike tesko]

Why would David Boutflour decide to contact the police on the 12th September 1985, to report him finding the silencer to the rifle if he had found it a month beforehand, and it had already been in police and the Lab's possession ever since 12th August 1985, when gun dealers Peter Eaton handed the said silencer over to Stan Jones!

Interestingly enough, the 12th September 1985, was the same date that Fletcher supposedly found the key flake of dried blood trapped in between baffle plates of a SM he had dismantled at the Lab' on that same date! This was also the date, when Fletcher handed the flake of dried blood to J W Hayward, who proceeded to make a solution out of it, and test the solution for results from the ABO blood groups! These tests were undertaken on 12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985...

[mike tesko]

You can see from the posted image, that David Boutflour did not telephone the police to report that he had found the silencer to the gun until after mention was made of Mathew MacDonalds involvement in the investigation!

What this suggests to me, is that by early September 1985, the relatives realised that the cops had been given the other silencer belonging to Anthony Pargeters Brno bolt action rifle! David Boutflour contacted the police because he had sorted the differences he had with Anthony Pargeters regarding Peter Eaton handing over the Pargeter silencer to Stan Jones a month previously! By 12th September the second silencer had already also been handed over to Essex Police by his sister Ann Eaton - she gave it to DC Oakey on 11th September 1985...

[buddy]

You can see from the posted image, that David Boutflour did not telephone the police to report that he had found the silencer to the gun until after mention was made of Mathew MacDonalds involvement in the investigation!

What this suggests to me, is that by early September 1985, the relatives realised that the cops had been given the other silencer belonging to Anthony Pargeters Brno bolt action rifle! David Boutflour contacted the police because he had sorted the differences he had with Anthony Pargeters regarding Peter Eaton handing over the Pargeter silencer to Stan Jones a month previously! By 12th September the second silencer had already also been handed over to Essex Police by his sister Ann Eaton - she gave it to DC Oakey on 11th September 1985...

I believe the police were convinced it was murder/suicide at that point, and explained to the family that the silencer couldn't have been used in the murders because it would have been too long, lo and behold
another silencer turns up with paint, blood upon it.
The family had plenty of time to mark the mantle [which the photographic expert could not see], and the keystone cops fell for it.

[mike tesko]

I believe the police were convinced it was murder/suicide at that point, and explained to the family that the silencer couldn't have been used in the murders because it would have been too long, lo and behold
another silencer turns up with paint, blood upon it.
The family had plenty of time to mark the mantle [which the photographic expert could not see], and the keystone cops fell for it.

buddy, there were definitely two SM's at the heart of this prosecution, the one belonging to A Pargeters Brno bolt action rifle, and the other belonging to the Bamber family owned Anshuzt semi-automatic rifle! I think the cops and the relatives, and to the same extent the prosecution's witnesses got themselves in a bit of a middle, over which SM David Boutflour scraped the flake of blood from using a razor blade! The matter becomes even more confusing because the interested parties are maintaining that there was only ever just the one SM, but this can't possibly be true, for example, with DB/1 (23) sent by Essex police to the Lab' on 30th August 1985, which in that script the ballistic expert, dismantled that SM (DB/1, 22) at the Lab' on 12th September, and he hands the flake he had found inside it, to John Hayward who makes the flake into a solution and tests portions of it for blood group results! These he obtains in tests done at the Lab' opinion 12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985. This is all well and good, but the relatives had got something up their sleeve - you see the Eaton's and the Boutflour found out from A Pargeters that cops had been given his Parker hale silencer, not the Bamber owned one! Pargeter went apeshit with the relatives for handing over his Parker hale SM to the police on 12th August 1985! However, they developed a plan whereby David Boutflour would contact police after the first week in September 1985, informing them that he thought that the wrong SM was handed over to police by his brother in law, because he (David Boutflour) had found the SM belonging to the anshuzt rifle!

[buddy]

Most of the guilters agree that silencer evidence was contaminated and disregard it.
Caroline who is the most confident that JB is responsible doesn't believe that it should have been presented as evidence. Unsurprisingly Hartley thinks the opposite.
The defence team should have picked up on this [if they knew].
JB gave an inventory of all the guns in the house, which included the Pargenter BRNO, so I think it is safe to assume that his silencer was there also. All the remaining weapons were collected by the family for reasons unknown to me.
I would have been more confident of guilt if the family had nothing to gain for JBs conviction.

[Adam]

Most of the guilters agree that silencer evidence was contaminated and disregard it.
Caroline who is the most confident that JB is responsible doesn't believe that it should have been presented as evidence. Unsurprisingly Hartley thinks the opposite.
The defence team should have picked up on this [if they knew].
JB gave an inventory of all the guns in the house, which included the Pargenter BRNO, so I think it is safe to assume that his silencer was there also. All the remaining weapons were collected by the family for reasons unknown to me.
I would have been more confident of guilt if the family had nothing to gain for JBs conviction.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9064.0.html

What guilters apart from Caroline believe the silencer was fabricated ?

You need to explain how the relatives fabricated the silencer without police assistance. Rather than just saying they did. And answer questions in my thread. At least David tried to answer 7 of my 24 questions.

[nugnug]

most are agread that without a slincer there isnt really a case

[Adam]

I'm not sure if Caroline still believes the silencer was fabricated after recent developments -

Sheila received a contact shot.

Sheila's contact shot was in a location with high blood flow, blood vessels & no bones in the way.

Nevill, June & Daniel did not receive a contact shot or shots in locations likely to cause back splatter.

Nicholas received a head contact shot where there was skull and bone in front of the blood vessels.

Sheila's other shot was also a close range shot to the neck area.

The lab results said it was Sheila's blood.

There was a big kitchen fight. The silencer paint came from the aga during the kitchen fight.

There is no proof the silencer was fabricated.

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I'm not sure what more can be supplied to a jury.

[mike tesko]

I'm not sure if Caroline still believes the silencer was fabricated after recent developments -

Sheila received a contact shot.

Sheila's contact shot was in a location with high blood flow, blood vessels & no bones in the way.

Nevill, June & Daniel did not receive a contact shot or shots in locations likely to cause back splatter.

Nicholas received a head contact shot where there was skull and bone in front of the blood vessels.

Sheila's other shot was also a close range shot to the neck area.

The lab results said it was Sheila's blood.

There was a big kitchen fight. The silencer paint came from the aga during the kitchen fight.

There is no proof the silencer was fabricated.

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I'm not sure what more can be supplied to a jury.

The silencer evidence was dodgy to say the least...