Contact wounds with silencers

[mike tesko]

I believe that the muzzle end of a silencer can be shown to have been 'pressed full face on' against 'that' part of Sheila Caffell's neck!

This is in my view a significant observation...

[mike tesko]

This is in my view a significant observation...

With the muzzle end of a silencer pressed full on to that part of the neck, it becomes somewhat self explanatory to an observer who might be interested in the absolute truth, the direction at which the track of the non fatal bullet took upon being fired from the weapon?

[mike tesko]

With the muzzle end of a silencer pressed full on to that part of the neck, it becomes somewhat self explanatory to an observer who might be interested in the absolute truth, the direction at which the track of the non fatal bullet took upon being fired from the weapon?

That bullet, did not go straight backwards across the neck or deposit itself, or lodge itself in a backward track which the bullet took from the point of the bullet entry wound...

Instead, the very first bullet which 'penetrated the neck' of 'Sheila Caffell', 'tracked to the right'!

[mike tesko]

That bullet, did not go straight backwards across the neck or deposit itself, or lodge itself in a backward track which the bullet took from the point of the bullet entry wound...

Instead, the very first bullet which 'penetrated the neck' of 'Sheila Caffell', 'tracked to the right'!

Therefore, in the cold light of day we find ourselves being confronted by a disparity involving the muzzle end of a silencer being pressed full on into the neck of the victim, and a bullet which entered the neck at the epicenter of a bruise / abrasion mark caused by the depression of a silencers end cap into that very same part of the victims neck, which tracked itself to the right of that epicenter!

What, if anything can be read into this apparent contradiction?

[mike tesko]

Therefore, in the cold light of day we find ourselves being confronted by a disparity involving the muzzle end of a silencer being pressed full on into the neck of the victim, and a bullet which entered the neck at the epicenter of a bruise / abrasion mark caused by the depression of a silencers end cap into that very same part of the victims neck, which tracked itself to the right of that epicenter!

What, if anything can be read into this apparent contradiction?

Well...

There must have been some movement of that silencers muzzle at the time the actual shot was fired! This movement  could have occurred due to elasticity of the skin with the muzzle of the silencer still in direct contact, or a very close contact with the surface of the skin at the time the shot was fired? However, I have discounted this, because if that had happened the mark of the silencers muzzle would almost certainly have been more prominently visible!

Therefore, the absolute truth must surely be, that the muzzle of the end of the silencer almost certainly had detached itself, so that it was no longer in a contact position with the surface of the neck when the fatal shot got discharged, and it was received!!!

[David1819]

Of course it can, stop trying to be ridiculous!

You can just about see the muzzle mark of the thredded end of the barrell on the lower wound. Thus this was a contact shot without the SM.

To make matters worse for your already convoluted argument. You argue the police shot Sheila. Yet they didnt have any SMs. 

[mike tesko]

You can just about see the muzzle mark of the thredded end of the barrell on the lower wound. Thus this was a contact shot without the SM.

To make matters worse for your already convoluted argument. You argue the police shot Sheila. Yet they didnt have any SMs. 

Stop being ridiculous, the entry of the bullet made the marks around the lower entry wound, a bullet that was fired with the muzzle of the weapon in near contact with the surface of the skin - you are mistaking what the bullet did, for what you say the muzzle of the rifles barrel did minus its silencer..

Not do I only know police shot Sheila at the time of their entry to the kitchen, there exists an 'officers report' (1612) confirming that there had been such a shooting incident upon police entry to the kitchen - so where does that information fit into your account? I suppose your going to argue that no such shooting incident occurred, well good for you chummy!

Cops did shoot Sheila, and that's the truth, any other version of events surrounding her supposed death downstairs in the kitchen, upstairs with her body on top of the bed, or on the far side of the bed, and thereafter on the bedroom floor, it makes no difference, the cops shot Sheila, they killed her, and they tried to make what they were responsible for look like a suicide...

The first shot to the lower part of Sheila's neck was a near contact shot it was not a contact shot - if it wasn't a contact shot how could the muzzle of the gun make a mark on the surface of the skin as suggested by you?

The end of the silencer on the anshuzt rifle could easily have made the mark on Sheila's neck during the training exercise that senior officers conducted upstairs in the main bedroom when they were tampering with Sheila's body once they moved it from on top of the bed, onto the floor on the left hand side of the bed. They were using the rifle at that stage for gauging purposes, trying to see whether or not it was feasible for them to suggest that she had self-inflicted that solitary wound upon herself! For all you know the muzzle end of the silencer could easily have been presented against that solitary entry wound and that whilst it was in that position, cops realised that the overall length of the weapon with the silencer attached was too long for them to suggest that Sheila had taken her own life using that rifle, because with the muzzle of the silencer in a contact position with the surface of the skin around the lower entry wound they could not get Sheila's fingers to activate the trigger! So, what they did next was reposition the rifle upon Sheila's body, only this time they placed her fingers with the trigger! Of course, a consequence of this was that the muzzle of the weapon was now higher up on Sheila's neck! It was sometime around this activity that an attempt was made by the police to manually activate the trigger mechanism (this was being done under the guise of what cops call, 'informatives', which to ordinary folk means, it was a training exercise). Trouble is, that when they attempted to activate the trigger mechanism, the damn rifle discharged a round which penetrated beneath the chin, went up through the void of her mouth, through the roof of her mouth and lodged in her brain - almost immediately after this fresh blood gushed out of the newly created bullet entry wound which caused the shocked police officers to try to stem the flow of blood from the now additional bullet wound in Sheila's neck, and her body was rolled into the recovery position upon its right side, whilst a frantic effort was made by the police who were present to try to keep Sheila alive!

Now, you can choose to believe what you like, but what I am recounting is the truth as also known by all the police officers who were present inside that bedroom at the time! Sheila did not shoot herself, what with? She didn't have possession of a gun downstairs in the kitchen when she got shot by a cop during a struggle, and when she managed to get upstairs into the main bedroom there was no gun there - the closest gun to the main bedroom was the anshuzt rifle and that was resting against the inside of the box room window!

Do not be lured into thinking what Jeremy wants you to think, it won't work for him, because his sister did not shoot herself (period)!!

[mike tesko]

The mark around the lower entry wound was made by the muzzle end of a silencer being pressed into position against the surface of Sheila's neck - it is irrelevant to me whether it can or it can't be proven to have been pressed into that position at the time Sheila was first shot downstairs in the kitchen, or whether this took place during the training exercise once Sheila's body had been moved from on top of the bed, onto the floor on the left hand side of the bed! My gut feeling tells me that that mark around the lower entry wound was caused during the training exercise, and if this is right, it serves to prove that the police had contemplated substituting the gun which fired the first shot downstairs in the kitchen, with the anshuzt rifle which was brought from the box room window, to the body of Sheila caffell, initially upon the bed in between the bodies of Sheila and June who were laid side by side on top of the bed according to what Stan Jones, and Mick Clark told Ann Eaton, and the other relatives (and Julie mugford) on the morning of the incident, and then onto Sheila's body once it had been displaced onto the bedroom floor!

I have not made any of this up, its all evidence that has always been available for interpretation at everyones disposal!

I always have an open mind, about everything, whereas the vast majority of people I think have a one track mind, or a limited capacity to see the overall bigger picture! That's not everybody's fault, because the system conditions members of the public to behave and think in a particular way, at peril of committing a criminal offence, or upsetting those in authority..

[Jane]

Stop being ridiculous, the entry of the bullet made the marks around the lower entry wound, a bullet that was fired with the muzzle of the weapon in near contact with the surface of the skin - you are mistaking what the bullet did, for what you say the muzzle of the rifles barrel did minus its silencer..

Not do I only know police shot Sheila at the time of their entry to the kitchen, there exists an 'officers report' (1612) confirming that there had been such a shooting incident upon police entry to the kitchen - so where does that information fit into your account? I suppose your going to argue that no such shooting incident occurred, well good for you chummy!

Cops did shoot Sheila, and that's the truth, any other version of events surrounding her supposed death downstairs in the kitchen, upstairs with her body on top of the bed, or on the far side of the bed, and thereafter on the bedroom floor, it makes no difference, the cops shot Sheila, they killed her, and they tried to make what they were responsible for look like a suicide...

The first shot to the lower part of Sheila's neck was a near contact shot it was not a contact shot - if it wasn't a contact shot how could the muzzle of the gun make a mark on the surface of the skin as suggested by you?

The end of the silencer on the anshuzt rifle could easily have made the mark on Sheila's neck during the training exercise that senior officers conducted upstairs in the main bedroom when they were tampering with Sheila's body once they moved it from on top of the bed, onto the floor on the left hand side of the bed. They were using the rifle at that stage for gauging purposes, trying to see whether or not it was feasible for them to suggest that she had self-inflicted that solitary wound upon herself! For all you know the muzzle end of the silencer could easily have been presented against that solitary entry wound and that whilst it was in that position, cops realised that the overall length of the weapon with the silencer attached was too long for them to suggest that Sheila had taken her own life using that rifle, because with the muzzle of the silencer in a contact position with the surface of the skin around the lower entry wound they could not get Sheila's fingers to activate the trigger! So, what they did next was reposition the rifle upon Sheila's body, only this time they placed her fingers with the trigger! Of course, a consequence of this was that the muzzle of the weapon was now higher up on Sheila's neck! It was sometime around this activity that an attempt was made by the police to manually activate the trigger mechanism (this was being done under the guise of what cops call, 'informatives', which to ordinary folk means, it was a training exercise). Trouble is, that when they attempted to activate the trigger mechanism, the damn rifle discharged a round which penetrated beneath the chin, went up through the void of her mouth, through the roof of her mouth and lodged in her brain - almost immediately after this fresh blood gushed out of the newly created bullet entry wound which caused the shocked police officers to try to stem the flow of blood from the now additional bullet wound in Sheila's neck, and her body was rolled into the recovery position upon its right side, whilst a frantic effort was made by the police who were present to try to keep Sheila alive!

Now, you can choose to believe what you like, but what I am recounting is the truth as also known by all the police officers who were present inside that bedroom at the time! Sheila did not shoot herself, what with? She didn't have possession of a gun downstairs in the kitchen when she got shot by a cop during a struggle, and when she managed to get upstairs into the main bedroom there was no gun there - the closest gun to the main bedroom was the anshuzt rifle and that was resting against the inside of the box room window!

Do not be lured into thinking what Jeremy wants you to think, it won't work for him, because his sister did not shoot herself (period)!!

Hmm, but you saying you 'know' and that they 'know' that you 'know', and you 'know' that they 'know' that you 'know', doesn't actually PROVE anything. We all KNOW that unless they're ALL prepared to corroborate what you say you 'know' with what you claim they 'know', it's all speculation and no one, other than Jeremy, who actually said he was the only one who KNEW what happened that night, really KNOWS anything.

[mike tesko]

The mark around the lower entry wound was made by the muzzle end of a silencer being pressed into position against the surface of Sheila's neck - it is irrelevant to me whether it can or it can't be proven to have been pressed into that position at the time Sheila was first shot downstairs in the kitchen, or whether this took place during the training exercise once Sheila's body had been moved from on top of the bed, onto the floor on the left hand side of the bed! My gut feeling tells me that that mark around the lower entry wound was caused during the training exercise, and if this is right, it serves to prove that the police had contemplated substituting the gun which fired the first shot downstairs in the kitchen, with the anshuzt rifle which was brought from the box room window, to the body of Sheila caffell, initially upon the bed in between the bodies of Sheila and June who were laid side by side on top of the bed according to what Stan Jones, and Mick Clark told Ann Eaton, and the other relatives (and Julie mugford) on the morning of the incident, and then onto Sheila's body once it had been displaced onto the bedroom floor!

I have not made any of this up, its all evidence that has always been available for interpretation at everyones disposal!

I always have an open mind, about everything, whereas the vast majority of people I think have a one track mind, or a limited capacity to see the overall bigger picture! That's not everybody's fault, because the system conditions members of the public to behave and think in a particular way, at peril of committing a criminal offence, or upsetting those in authority..

Essex police have got all the missing photographs and crime scene video which prove everything I have been saying! The CCRC have got the video footage, but because they were created to protect the image of the criminal justice system in the wake of those massive miscarriages of justice, including the cases of the Birmingham six, the Guildford Four, etc, etc, etc, they are reluctant to have to concede that Jeremy Bambers case is arguably one of the worst miscarriages of justice on the planet earth!

I think the CCRC should be disbanded, they are frightened to make major decisions, but love making insignificant or minor ones...

[mike tesko]

Hmm, but you saying you 'know' and that they 'know' that you 'know', and you 'know' that they 'know' that you 'know', doesn't actually PROVE anything. We all KNOW that unless they're ALL prepared to corroborate what you say you 'know' with what you claim they 'know', it's all speculation and no one, other than Jeremy, who actually said he was the only one who KNEW what happened that night, really KNOWS anything.

But...

It depends upon what Jeremy thinks he knows...

Jeremy knows, 'no more, no less', than 'you are I'...

People should stand back and think for themselves, since if Jeremy was not his sister's killer, and that Jeremy had not staged his sisters death scene, there on the main bedroom floor, what the fuck does Jeremy know, which is any different than what any of us know?

Jeremy wants the best outcome for Jeremy, me I want to get to the truth...

[David1819]

Stop being ridiculous, the entry of the bullet made the marks around the lower entry wound, a bullet that was fired with the muzzle of the weapon in near contact with the surface of the skin - you are mistaking what the bullet did, for what you say the muzzle of the rifles barrel did minus its silencer..

Not do I only know police shot Sheila at the time of their entry to the kitchen, there exists an 'officers report' (1612) confirming that there had been such a shooting incident upon police entry to the kitchen - so where does that information fit into your account? I suppose your going to argue that no such shooting incident occurred, well good for you chummy!

Cops did shoot Sheila, and that's the truth, any other version of events surrounding her supposed death downstairs in the kitchen, upstairs with her body on top of the bed, or on the far side of the bed, and thereafter on the bedroom floor, it makes no difference, the cops shot Sheila, they killed her, and they tried to make what they were responsible for look like a suicide...

The first shot to the lower part of Sheila's neck was a near contact shot it was not a contact shot - if it wasn't a contact shot how could the muzzle of the gun make a mark on the surface of the skin as suggested by you?

The end of the silencer on the anshuzt rifle could easily have made the mark on Sheila's neck during the training exercise that senior officers conducted upstairs in the main bedroom when they were tampering with Sheila's body once they moved it from on top of the bed, onto the floor on the left hand side of the bed. They were using the rifle at that stage for gauging purposes, trying to see whether or not it was feasible for them to suggest that she had self-inflicted that solitary wound upon herself! For all you know the muzzle end of the silencer could easily have been presented against that solitary entry wound and that whilst it was in that position, cops realised that the overall length of the weapon with the silencer attached was too long for them to suggest that Sheila had taken her own life using that rifle, because with the muzzle of the silencer in a contact position with the surface of the skin around the lower entry wound they could not get Sheila's fingers to activate the trigger! So, what they did next was reposition the rifle upon Sheila's body, only this time they placed her fingers with the trigger! Of course, a consequence of this was that the muzzle of the weapon was now higher up on Sheila's neck! It was sometime around this activity that an attempt was made by the police to manually activate the trigger mechanism (this was being done under the guise of what cops call, 'informatives', which to ordinary folk means, it was a training exercise). Trouble is, that when they attempted to activate the trigger mechanism, the damn rifle discharged a round which penetrated beneath the chin, went up through the void of her mouth, through the roof of her mouth and lodged in her brain - almost immediately after this fresh blood gushed out of the newly created bullet entry wound which caused the shocked police officers to try to stem the flow of blood from the now additional bullet wound in Sheila's neck, and her body was rolled into the recovery position upon its right side, whilst a frantic effort was made by the police who were present to try to keep Sheila alive!

Now, you can choose to believe what you like, but what I am recounting is the truth as also known by all the police officers who were present inside that bedroom at the time! Sheila did not shoot herself, what with? She didn't have possession of a gun downstairs in the kitchen when she got shot by a cop during a struggle, and when she managed to get upstairs into the main bedroom there was no gun there - the closest gun to the main bedroom was the anshuzt rifle and that was resting against the inside of the box room window!

Do not be lured into thinking what Jeremy wants you to think, it won't work for him, because his sister did not shoot herself (period)!!

Fact - No wounds consistent from a ruger .223 police rifle on Sheila.

Fact - Muzzle imprint matches the thredded end of the .22lr rifle barrel.

Fact - Law enforcement did not use silencers.

Thus the police did not and could not have shot Sheila. Claims that police shot Sheila are not mere opinion but factually incorrect statements.

[Jane]

But...

It depends upon what Jeremy thinks he knows...

Jeremy knows, 'no more, no less', than 'you are I'...

People should stand back and think for themselves, since if Jeremy was not his sister's killer, and that Jeremy had not staged his sisters death scene, there on the main bedroom floor, what the fuck does Jeremy know, which is any different than what any of us know?

Jeremy wants the best outcome for Jeremy, me I want to get to the truth...

Ah! Then in that case, dear Mike, you need to open your mind to all other possibilities.

You -WE- are only privy to what -should he choose to reveal it all- Jeremy tells us he 'thinks' he knows.

Jeremy's entire raison d'etre is getting out of prison, to which end he'll 'think'/say whatever best suits. What WE must bear in mind, is that Jeremy was there. WE weren't. Jeremy is in a position to tell us only what he wants us to hear. Naturally, he'll have couched that in such a way as to convince the listener of his innocence. Then off they go, on a wild goose chase, armed with his bon mots, trying to make fit what he's told them. As you say, Jeremy ONLY wants the best outcome for Jeremy..................and in YOU he may have been given the ultimate gift..................

................It wouldn't have taken him long to prise out your hatred of police, your preparedness to believe that all the wrongs in society were caused by the corruptness of our police force, your desire to revenge yourself on the wrongs you believed they'd done you. There really was a lot for him to work with. That you identified with the injustice he claimed was done him would have made it so much easier, and a little flattery always helps. It's doubtful he could have found anyone better to further his cause.
 If it's the truth you're after, perhaps you have to ask yourself, DID he tell you what he believes is the truth, OR did he tell you what he wants YOU to believe is the truth?

[Adam]

Mike's scenario matches the CT's version to an extent.

The CT believe Sheila was still alive in the kitchen when the raid team entered WHF. The raid team thought Sheila was dead & proceeded to go upstairs.

Despite the raid team now being inside WHF & Sheila having already shot herself once, she was able to get upstairs to the far side of the main bedroom & shoot herself again. The police then pulled Sheila's legs & put the bible next to her.

The police decided to frame Bamber a month later because they didn't want anyone finding out about Sheila still being alive inside WHF. Experts, relatives & Julie were brought into the frame.

[Adam]

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/what-really-happened

The main difference here is Mike believes the raid team shot Sheila inside WHF after she went upstairs.  Rather than Sheila going upstairs and shooting herself.