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Sorry, but on this occasion you are wrong - you need to find out why the prosecutions ballistic expert, and I will name him, Malcolm Fletcher, found oily residue from the rifles ejection port on the left hand side of Sheila Caffells nightdress, right where there had been caused a small hole, a small hole that was consistent with an ejecting spent cartridge case, being ejected from the rifle she had just fired, and damaging her nightdress in an area saturated by oily residue from the ejection port of the rifle! Why didn't one of your heroes (Fletcher) make mention of this residue in one of his witness statements? Why didn't your expert hero tell the court about this when he testified during the trial?

Sheila fired the gun awkwardly, she used her right hand to steady the barrel she was pointing at her victims, and she activated the trigger with the forefinger of her left hand - spent cartridges ejected against the left side of her nightdress because of the unnatural way she was known by at least two people to handle guns (David Boutflour and Jeremy Bamber), oily residue from the ejection port of the rifle were present, it's all there in Fletcher's handwritten notes, but missing from his witness statement, and his testimony! Now, please tell me, do you think that discovering the oily residue from the ejection port of the rifle on the lhs of Sheila's nightdress deserved at least a mention by the prosecutions expert?

Of course it did!

Why did the prosecution ballistic expert have to tell a blatant lie to the effect that he did not know when the anshuzt rifle had last been fired prior to him conducting the official test fire of the same, using a SM, and control ammunition from exhibit DRH42, which his statement says he conducted on the 20th and 25th September , and the 1st and 2nd October 1985? We all know he was test firing the same rifle, SM and control ammunition much earlier than that because it's in the buggers handwritten notes that he had, and that he did! He even dated, and signed these handwritten notes, so please try to enlighten me why he should keep all of this vital information out of his witness statements? Oh, I get it now, the bugger didn't even make his own witness statement did he? It's a composite version of what someone else thought up that which Fletcher might say?

I don't believe so. I have the feeling that words are being used to show what you'd like us to believe they say, which is an opinion you're entitled to own, but not one which I share.

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I don't believe so. I have the feeling that words are being used to show what you'd like us to believe they say, which is an opinion you're entitled to own, but not one which I share.

Have you not read Malcom Fletchers handwritten notes?

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Sheila was not seen nor shot downstairs. PC Collins saw Nevill though the window and thought it was a woman. Thus it became reported as a dead female.

No, he didn't...

If what you are saying was true, then please explain to me that by reference to the 'live' contemporaneously police radio message logs, it's reported that upon entry to the kitchen, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female was found'? If what you are implying had any truth at all to it, the body of one dead female found in the kitchen, would have been mentioned before any mention of a dead male! You know as well as I know that what I am saying is true! The messages timed at  7.35am, 7.37am, and 7.38am, would have made mention of the body of one dead female first and foremost before any mention whatsoever of a dead male! The fact of the matter is that it doesn't, it makes mention of the body of one dead male, before mention is made of a dead female! Sorry, but you are looking at this as though the cops made a mistake, but you are wrong, they found Neville's body first, then they reported Sheila's body both downstairs in the kitchen! As if to confirm that which I am being forced to explain what did take place in the kitchen, as being two bodies, not one, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, we learn that at 7.45am, a Civilian operator at police HQ control room contacted DS Davidson at his home address, requesting him to come on duty into the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder, and a suicide! Now, if there was only one body as you are implying by reference to PC Collins COLP account, then ask yourself how on earth could Neville Bambers death be described as a suicide, and a murder?  We only have to fast forward in time to 8.10am, and a report that a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total!

The three bodies found upstairs could only be reference to the bodies of June and her two grandchildren! I work this out because with June Bamber shot 7 times, we can hardly put her death down as the suicide referred to at 7.45am...

Finally for now, there exists the officers report (ref' 1612) which deals with the shooting incident in the kitchen upon entry!

Once you read it's content you will be in no doubt whatsoever that Sheila was shot by a police wepon / bullet, and believed to have been killed as a result of her pulling the barrel of the cop gun in toward her own neck - hence why by 7.45am, her death was being spoken about in terms of it being a suicide!
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I don't believe so. I have the feeling that words are being used to show what you'd like us to believe they say, which is an opinion you're entitled to own, but not one which I share.

Try reading his handwritten notes, dated, and signed by him, then you'll see that I'm not wanting you to believe anything - what I want to know is why this bugger has been allowed to get away with lying for over three decades and no-one has picked him up on it?
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If Sheila had shot herself on the second occasion in the main bedroom, the cops would have said so!
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Try reading his handwritten notes, dated, and signed by him, then you'll see that I'm not wanting you to believe anything - what I want to know is why this bugger has been allowed to get away with lying for over three decades and no-one has picked him up on it?

I find it particularly strange that you're the only one who says he's lying. They've had 30+ years to sort this out. The evidence has always been there. I can only think, that as it's never been picked up on, it's your interpretation against theirs.

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If Sheila had shot herself on the second occasion in the main bedroom, the cops would have said so!

They haven't said she did, because she hadn't, and she didn't..

Sheila's body was reported present on the far side of the bed in the main bedroom at 8.44am..

By the time Stan Jones, and Mick Clark saw Sheila's body it was laid on top of the bed, next to June Bambers body - this was what they told Ann Eaton and the other relatives (as well as Julie Mugford) when they met up at Jeremy's cottage on the first morning of the police investigation! Sheila's body was on the bed, so was June Bambers body! The gun was resting on the bed in between both of these bodies, and Sheila had a Bible on her chest! Why would these cops tell Ann Eaton and the others this if it wasn't true?

They told her and the others this, because it was true!

After this, Stan Jones returned to the farmhouse at about 11.30am, and whilst present he took possession of the SM and Anthony Pargeters rifle from the downstairs toilet!  Now, I don't have to make anything up just for argument's sake, I am reporting what cops did!

According to notes on the file, Sheila was killed outright at 9.13am - the time the second fatal shot was discharged beneath the point of her chin!

I have no reason or motive to make something like this up! Sheila died whilst senior officers were conducting 'informatives' upon and around her body!  Nobody checked the gun to see if it was still loaded, there was still a round in the breach which got activated whilst senior officers were contemplating whether or not it might be suggested that she could have shot herself initially with the gun they brought to her body (rather than the police gun)? The first SOC team were present in the main bedroom recording the positions of June and Sheila's bodies after they got moved from a top the bed, onto the main bedroom floor either side of the bed!

Stan Jones only saw one bullet wound in Sheila's neck when he first saw her body on the bed, he told the COLP investigators that he hadn't realised that Sheila had been shot twice until much later in the investigation!

The police surgeon also only reported a shot to Sheila's neck!

Crime scene photographs were taken by the first SOC team showing that Sheila had only been shot once in the neck!

She ended up with two shots in her neck, after the police surgeon, and after Stan Jones viewed Sheila's body on the far side of the bed, or as the case may be on top of the bed! Sheila's body being supposedly on the bedroom floor by the time the police surgeon verified her death at 8.44am, as opposed to being on the far side of the bed, is nonsensical in view of Stan Jones seeing Sheila's body laid on top of the bed twenty minutes or so afterwards!

Sheila's body was moved from the bed onto the bedroom floor at about 9.11am...
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No, he didn't...

If what you are saying was true, then please explain to me that by reference to the 'live' contemporaneously police radio message logs, it's reported that upon entry to the kitchen, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female was found'? If what you are implying had any truth at all to it, the body of one dead female found in the kitchen, would have been mentioned before any mention of a dead male! You know as well as I know that what I am saying is true! The messages timed at  7.35am, 7.37am, and 7.38am, would have made mention of the body of one dead female first and foremost before any mention whatsoever of a dead male! The fact of the matter is that it doesn't, it makes mention of the body of one dead male, before mention is made of a dead female! Sorry, but you are looking at this as though the cops made a mistake, but you are wrong, they found Neville's body first, then they reported Sheila's body both downstairs in the kitchen! As if to confirm that which I am being forced to explain what did take place in the kitchen, as being two bodies, not one, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, we learn that at 7.45am, a Civilian operator at police HQ control room contacted DS Davidson at his home address, requesting him to come on duty into the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder, and a suicide! Now, if there was only one body as you are implying by reference to PC Collins COLP account, then ask yourself how on earth could Neville Bambers death be described as a suicide, and a murder?  We only have to fast forward in time to 8.10am, and a report that a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total!

The three bodies found upstairs could only be reference to the bodies of June and her two grandchildren! I work this out because with June Bamber shot 7 times, we can hardly put her death down as the suicide referred to at 7.45am...

Finally for now, there exists the officers report (ref' 1612) which deals with the shooting incident in the kitchen upon entry!

Once you read it's content you will be in no doubt whatsoever that Sheila was shot by a police wepon / bullet, and believed to have been killed as a result of her pulling the barrel of the cop gun in toward her own neck - hence why by 7.45am, her death was being spoken about in terms of it being a suicide!

Its already explained in what I posted. Collins saw Nevill beleiving it to be female and reported a dead female. Moments later it is then reported correctly as a dead male. The person writing the logs cannot appreciate confusion of the situation as he is not there.

The police where using .223 ammunition. Had such gun been used on Sheila in the areas she was shot. Her head would have more or less exploded.

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They haven't said she did, because she hadn't, and she didn't..

Sheila's body was reported present on the far side of the bed in the main bedroom at 8.44am..

By the time Stan Jones, and Mick Clark saw Sheila's body it was laid on top of the bed, next to June Bambers body - this was what they told Ann Eaton and the other relatives (as well as Julie Mugford) when they met up at Jeremy's cottage on the first morning of the police investigation! Sheila's body was on the bed, so was June Bambers body! The gun was resting on the bed in between both of these bodies, and Sheila had a Bible on her chest! Why would these cops tell Ann Eaton and the others this if it wasn't true?

They told her and the others this, because it was true!

After this, Stan Jones returned to the farmhouse at about 11.30am, and whilst present he took possession of the SM and Anthony Pargeters rifle from the downstairs toilet!  Now, I don't have to make anything up just for argument's sake, I am reporting what cops did!

According to notes on the file, Sheila was killed outright at 9.13am - the time the second fatal shot was discharged beneath the point of her chin!

I have no reason or motive to make something like this up! Sheila died whilst senior officers were conducting 'informatives' upon and around her body!  Nobody checked the gun to see if it was still loaded, there was still a round in the breach which got activated whilst senior officers were contemplating whether or not it might be suggested that she could have shot herself initially with the gun they brought to her body (rather than the police gun)? The first SOC team were present in the main bedroom recording the positions of June and Sheila's bodies after they got moved from a top the bed, onto the main bedroom floor either side of the bed!

Stan Jones only saw one bullet wound in Sheila's neck when he first saw her body on the bed, he told the COLP investigators that he hadn't realised that Sheila had been shot twice until much later in the investigation!

The police surgeon also only reported a shot to Sheila's neck!

Crime scene photographs were taken by the first SOC team showing that Sheila had only been shot once in the neck!

She ended up with two shots in her neck, after the police surgeon, and after Stan Jones viewed Sheila's body on the far side of the bed, or as the case may be on top of the bed! Sheila's body being supposedly on the bedroom floor by the time the police surgeon verified her death at 8.44am, as opposed to being on the far side of the bed, is nonsensical in view of Stan Jones seeing Sheila's body laid on top of the bed twenty minutes or so afterwards!

Sheila's body was moved from the bed onto the bedroom floor at about 9.11am...


...................And confusion reined!! It's this confusion which has been exploited to create a different truth.

Sheila's body on far side of bed? Ambiguous. Therefore can be 'managed'

Bodies on the bed/floor? Perfectly possible for either -for a period of time- to be true. One NOT excluding the other, BUT can be used to create doubt.

Having no reason to make things............appear to be other than they are, doesn't preclude us doing it, especially if our raison d'etre is to prove something other. Therefore the more doubt which can be created, the better.

Noting only one bullet wound isn't preclusion of OTHER bullet wounds. Dr Craig never noted more than A bullet wound on any of the victims. One has to wonder if/when he realized that all the other victims had more than one wound. This doesn't denote incompetency, but can be used to advantage in helping to create such an illusion.

Time of Sheila's death? Half an hour AFTER she'd been pronounced dead....................having already been dead for several hours with two nicely neat bullet holes, just as one would expect from the weapon used to inflict them.

It occurs to me that if each police person noted what he saw on entry, each report, because of a rapidly changing scene, was likely to have been different from those who entered earlier or later, but the truth as they saw it at the time, coupled with the fact that they had NO reason to believe it to have been anything other than what Jeremy had indoctrinated them with, backed up by an alleged call from his father to which he failed to respond, ie mentally deranged, gun competent, suicide threatening sister, tipped over the edge by parents who were threatening to have her children taken away from her.

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I find it particularly strange that you're the only one who says he's lying. They've had 30+ years to sort this out. The evidence has always been there. I can only think, that as it's never been picked up on, it's your interpretation against theirs.
These handwritten notes of Fletchers have only just been found and as far as I know have not been seen by anybody for anybody to comment upon. I haven't made it up, or put any slant on what Fletcher concluded - he says it in his own words, there it is for all to see, oily residue from the ejection port of the rifle present on the LHS of Sheila Caffells nightdress, and in that same region where that residue was / is, there was a small hole!

Why wasn't the residue from the ejection port of the rifle, and the small hole accompanying it photographed so that everyone could see what he found? Why not preserve the nightdress so that it could be examined independently?

Instead, what he did was conceal his working notes, that were dated, and signed by him, so that nobody could see that he had found physical evidence that Sheila had fired the gun!

Sheila did fire the gun, her nightdress that she was photographed in contained the crucial evidence that she did and that she had fired the rifle! The small hole on the same left hand side of her nightdress was / is physical confirmation that a spent cartridge case ejected itself from the gun at the time she was in possession of it and fired it!

This highly significant piece of evidence was not included in the composite witness statements made up for him by the DPP and the dastardly Essex mob! They improved their own case by omitting any mention of the residue on the lhs of Sheila's nightdress, so that they could pursue Jeremy as the shooter at the behest of the relatives who were baying for Jeremy's blood!

If Jeremy was the shooter why was no oily residue from the gun found to be present upon his person, his clothing?

No residue found in any bathroom, or sink where the shooter might have cleaned themselves up?

Not residues from the gun at any point of exit from the farmhouse after four of the victims had been shot and killed!

No residues from the gun found on the bycicle that the prosecution and it's witnesses allege that Jeremy made good his escape after shooting dead four of the five victims!

All the residue that anybody needed to know about was there on the lhs of Sheila's light blue nightdress (ND/3)...
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...................And confusion reined!! It's this confusion which has been exploited to create a different truth.

Sheila's body on far side of bed? Ambiguous. Therefore can be 'managed'

Bodies on the bed/floor? Perfectly possible for either -for a period of time- to be true. One NOT excluding the other, BUT can be used to create doubt.

Having no reason to make things............appear to be other than they are, doesn't preclude us doing it, especially if our raison d'etre is to prove something other. Therefore the more doubt which can be created, the better.

Noting only one bullet wound isn't preclusion of OTHER bullet wounds. Dr Craig never noted more than A bullet wound on any of the victims. One has to wonder if/when he realized that all the other victims had more than one wound. This doesn't denote incompetency, but can be used to advantage in helping to create such an illusion.

Time of Sheila's death? Half an hour AFTER she'd been pronounced dead....................having already been dead for several hours with two nicely neat bullet holes, just as one would expect from the weapon used to inflict them.

It occurs to me that if each police person noted what he saw on entry, each report, because of a rapidly changing scene, was likely to have been different from those who entered earlier or later, but the truth as they saw it at the time, coupled with the fact that they had NO reason to believe it to have been anything other than what Jeremy had indoctrinated them with, backed up by an alleged call from his father to which he failed to respond, ie mentally deranged, gun competent, suicide threatening sister, tipped over the edge by parents who were threatening to have her children taken away from her.

The truth has been exploited by Essex police and it's experts and prosecution witnesses!


Sheila's body on far side of bed? Ambiguous. Therefore can be 'managed

Dr Craig doesn't once mention the fact that Sheila Caffells body was on the bedroom floor! Neither does the copper who accompanied him at that time! (8.44 am), the phrases used by both parties was that Sheila's body was 'on the far side of the bed'. Since, the three letters of the word 'BED' is mentioned in the accounts attributed to them is used, not only is it logical to assume that they were referring to Sheila's body at 'that' (8.44am) time as being 'on the bed', it requires a leap of faith to imagine that what Craig and the other one saw, was Sheila's body being actually on the floor of the bedroom! Now, I wasn't there inside the bedroom when Stan Jones and Mick Clark visited there, or later on when they informed Ann Eaton, and the others gathered at Jeremy's cottage, that Neville's body was found in the kitchen, and that the bodies of the two children were found in their separate beds in a bedroom! That Sheila and June's bodies were found both laid on top of the bed side by side each other, that Sheila had only been shot once, and that on the bed in between both of their bodies was the rifle, and that there was a Bible on top of Sheila Caffells chest!

Now, I can't begin to imagine why anybody at all would want to be placing Sheila Caffells body as though it had been found on the bedroom floor, if what Jones and Clark told Ann Eaton and the others, that Sheila's body had been laid on top of the bed when they visited the main bedroom prior to leaving the scene to come with Jeremy to his cottage? Why would they tell Ann Eaton and the others the correct location of Neville Bambers body, downstairs in the kitchen, and that the two child victims were found in their beds in another bedroom, yet lie about how the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber had been laid on top of the bed in the main bedroom?

I don't have to manage the evidence, it's all been recorded in various ways by Dr Craig (8.44am), and the cop who accompanied him at that time. Also by Stan Jones and Mick Clark, and Ann Eaton it's all in the file.

Then there are the photographs and the video footage that was taken at the scene by DC Oakey and DC Henderson (the first SOC team who performed the duty of recording the positions of the bodies of Sheila and June as and when senior officers moved the bodies whilst conducting 'informatives' in that bedroom between 9.00am and 10.00am). That's why the second team of SOC (Cook, Davidson, Hammersley, and Bird) were held back and prevented from entering the crime scene and taking control of it (after 10.00am)! Cops didn't want the staged death scenes of Sheila and June in the bedroom recorded on film and footage by the same SOCO's who had photographed the two bodies on the bed together!

They had to have two teams of SOCO's, the first one (Oakey and Henderson) to record the main bedroom scene before senior officers interferred with it, and whilst moving the bodies, the gun, and the bible around, followed by the second team (Cook, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird) whose job was to record the scene as it had been left by senior officers, with a view of relying upon what the second team recorded as it had allegedly been found two hours or so, beforehand!

So, please don't try to insinuate that I am managing the evidence, it's not me that's been deceiving everybody about where Sheila Caffells body was at one time or another that morning, look no further than the dastardly Essex police!

Why did they use two different SOC teams?

Why weren't all the photographs which Oakey and Henderson took, and all the photographs that Bird took, all disclosed to the defence? The answer is a relatively simple one, because the truth of the matter is that if all 581 photographs had been disclosed to Jeremy and his legal team, Jeremy would never have stood trial, because Oakey and Henderson took the film and footage of Sheila's body on the bed and on the floor, without the gun, and with the gun, with the Bible on Sheila's chest and without the Bible on her chest! Bird took photographs after 10.00am with Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, with no Bible in her chest, but instead the rifle on top of her body!

Everything I am saying is absolutely true, and Essex police, the DPP, the CCRC and every other Tom dick and Harry at the Home Office, and within the Criminal Justice System knows what has taken place here! It's shocking, and they know that when the shit hits the fan that the general public at large will view the role of the police entirely differently! They shoot people don't they, or let's just say they have shot people, sometimes by mistake? They used to be responsible for innocent people being hanged! They forge witness statements in people's names, they charge people with offences that the person concerned committed no offence, they are violent and have a mob mentality in many cases!

There were a total of 581 photographs that were taken in connection with these investigations (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85), and yet only around 223 saw the light of day, another 358 or so were deliberately withheld many of these missing photographs show Sheila and June's bodies on the bed together with the rifle on the bed in between both bodies and with a Bible on top of Sheila's chest! Some show only Sheila's body on the bed, with June's body taken off the bed, with the rifle taken off the bed, and with the Bible taken off Sheila's chest - more importantly, the fact that Sheila had only been shot once at the time these photographs were taken!

PC Bird had to fake a false photographic schedule showing that only around 223 photographs had been taken during the police investigation, but he wasn't clever enough to pull the deception off, as per his trial testimony where he let slip that DC Oakey had taken a particular photograph of Sheila at the scene with the barrel of the gun resting against the left side of Sheila's neck!

Bird dropped a clanger which throws the validity of these murder convictions wide open!

Officially, DC Oakey and DC Henderson were never present at whf on the first morning of the police investigation - but if that were true, how did DC Oakey manage to take at least one photograph showing the guns barrel resting against the left hand side of Sheila Caffells neck at the scene?

The truth will out, the tide of corruption and dishonesty in this prosecution will soon be turning into a raging tsunami..

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...................And confusion reined!! It's this confusion which has been exploited to create a different truth.

Sheila's body on far side of bed? Ambiguous. Therefore can be 'managed'

Bodies on the bed/floor? Perfectly possible for either -for a period of time- to be true. One NOT excluding the other, BUT can be used to create doubt.

Having no reason to make things............appear to be other than they are, doesn't preclude us doing it, especially if our raison d'etre is to prove something other. Therefore the more doubt which can be created, the better.

Noting only one bullet wound isn't preclusion of OTHER bullet wounds. Dr Craig never noted more than A bullet wound on any of the victims. One has to wonder if/when he realized that all the other victims had more than one wound. This doesn't denote incompetency, but can be used to advantage in helping to create such an illusion.

Time of Sheila's death? Half an hour AFTER she'd been pronounced dead....................having already been dead for several hours with two nicely neat bullet holes, just as one would expect from the weapon used to inflict them.

It occurs to me that if each police person noted what he saw on entry, each report, because of a rapidly changing scene, was likely to have been different from those who entered earlier or later, but the truth as they saw it at the time, coupled with the fact that they had NO reason to believe it to have been anything other than what Jeremy had indoctrinated them with, backed up by an alleged call from his father to which he failed to respond, ie mentally deranged, gun competent, suicide threatening sister, tipped over the edge by parents who were threatening to have her children taken away from her.

Noting only one bullet wound isn't preclusion of OTHER bullet wounds. Dr Craig never noted more than A bullet wound on any of the victims. One has to wonder if/when he realized that all the other victims had more than one wound. This doesn't denote incompetency, but can be used to advantage in helping to create such an illusion.

When Stan Jones visited the main bedroom and viewed Sheila Caffells body laid on top of the bed, he stated that when he looked closely at her body, it appeared to him that she looked so peaceful, as though she were simply asleep! Now, bearing in mind he told the COLP investigators this in 1991, and the fact that he told them that he didn't know until much later on that she had been shot a second time, and on the morning in question how Stan Jones had told Ann Eaton that Sheila's body was on top of the bed with June's, the rifle on the bed in between their bodies, with a Bible on top of Sheila's chest, and that Sheila only had been shot once by that stage, or at least that Sheila only had one bullet wound in her neck at the time Stan Jones had seen Sheila's body on top of the bed, how is it possible for an astute detective that StanJones makes his self out to be, to not be able to see two bullet holes in Sheila's neck at the time he says that she had looked so peaceful, as if she was merely sleeping?

What, with two bullet holes in her neck (if that's what we're being expected to believe), blood streaming from both corners of her mouth, blood running out of her left nostril and pooling in her left eye socket, and blood flowing from two bullet holes in her neck running diagonally in fashion across her throat towards her right shoulder, and a huge amount of blood on the collar of her nightdress, and a humongous triangular blood stain in the region of her right shoulder and her right armpit, together with bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right hand side of her nightdress, what with gouge marks and bloodstains in the region of her wrist and the top part of her right hand and right forearm, Stan Jones witnessed all of this and it seemed to him that Sheila had looked so peaceful as if she had just been asleep?

Well, I am sorry but there is no way in a month of Sundays that I am going to be buying into that fantasy!

It's obviously quite clear that Stan Jones didn't see any second bullet hole in Sheila's throat when he visited the main bedroom and viewed her body! He didn't see a second bullet hole in her neck because, hey guess what? She hadn't received the second shot by that stage! There was no blood running from the corners of her mouth, there was no blood escaping from Sheila's left nostril which had pooled into her left eye socket, there was no heavy bloodstaining on the collar of her nightdress, there wasn't a huge triangular blood stain on Sheila's nightdress in the region of her right shoulder and her right armpit, there wasn't any bloodied fingermarks on the front lower part of Sheila's nightdress, there wasn't any gouge marks and blood on the top part of her right hand, or smears of blood all the way around her right forearm - there was none of these things on Sheila's body and nightdress when Stan Jones visited the main bedroom scene and viewed the peaceful looking, body of Sheila laid on top of the bed with one bullet hole in her neck, with very little blood which had seeped vertically in fashion down her neck indicative that she must have been standing upright at the time that single shot had been inflicted, and remember what Stan Jones said, he said Sheila looked as if she was simply asleep at the time he viewed her body before he left the scene to go to Jeremy's cottage with DC Mick Clark!

Now, I find it hard to imagine how anybody can assume that somebody who has two bullet holes pumped into the neck, with blood pouring for every orifice above waist height except for the victims ears, and blood gushing here there and everywhere, staining the nightdress that Sheila was wearing, with all these marks on the top part of her right hand, wrist and forearm, and bloody fingermarks on the front part of her nightdress, and despite there having been a Bible on top of Sheila's chest, that anybody can come to the conclusion that Sheila looked so peaceful, like she was just a sleep!!

What..

Give me a break...
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"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Noting only one bullet wound isn't preclusion of OTHER bullet wounds. Dr Craig never noted more than A bullet wound on any of the victims. One has to wonder if/when he realized that all the other victims had more than one wound. This doesn't denote incompetency, but can be used to advantage in helping to create such an illusion.

When Stan Jones visited the main bedroom and viewed Sheila Caffells body laid on top of the bed, he stated that when he looked closely at her body, it appeared to him that she looked so peaceful, as though she were simply asleep! Now, bearing in mind he told the COLP investigators this in 1991, and the fact that he told them that he didn't know until much later on that she had been shot a second time, and on the morning in question how Stan Jones had told Ann Eaton that Sheila's body was on top of the bed with June's, the rifle on the bed in between their bodies, with a Bible on top of Sheila's chest, and that Sheila only had been shot once by that stage, or at least that Sheila only had one bullet wound in her neck at the time Stan Jones had seen Sheila's body on top of the bed, how is it possible for an astute detective that StanJones makes his self out to be, to not be able to see two bullet holes in Sheila's neck at the time he says that she had looked so peaceful, as if she was merely sleeping?

What, with two bullet holes in her neck (if that's what we're being expected to believe), blood streaming from both corners of her mouth, blood running out of her left nostril and pooling in her left eye socket, and blood flowing from two bullet holes in her neck running diagonally in fashion across her throat towards her right shoulder, and a huge amount of blood on the collar of her nightdress, and a humongous triangular blood stain in the region of her right shoulder and her right armpit, together with bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right hand side of her nightdress, what with gouge marks and bloodstains in the region of her wrist and the top part of her right hand and right forearm, Stan Jones witnessed all of this and it seemed to him that Sheila had looked so peaceful as if she had just been asleep?

Well, I am sorry but there is no way in a month of Sundays that I am going to be buying into that fantasy!

It's obviously quite clear that Stan Jones didn't see any second bullet hole in Sheila's throat when he visited the main bedroom and viewed her body! He didn't see a second bullet hole in her neck because, hey guess what? She hadn't received the second shot by that stage! There was no blood running from the corners of her mouth, there was no blood escaping from Sheila's left nostril which had pooled into her left eye socket, there was no heavy bloodstaining on the collar of her nightdress, there wasn't a huge triangular blood stain on Sheila's nightdress in the region of her right shoulder and her right armpit, there wasn't any bloodied fingermarks on the front lower part of Sheila's nightdress, there wasn't any gouge marks and blood on the top part of her right hand, or smears of blood all the way around her right forearm - there was none of these things on Sheila's body and nightdress when Stan Jones visited the main bedroom scene and viewed the peaceful looking, body of Sheila laid on top of the bed with one bullet hole in her neck, with very little blood which had seeped vertically in fashion down her neck indicative that she must have been standing upright at the time that single shot had been inflicted, and remember what Stan Jones said, he said Sheila looked as if she was simply asleep at the time he viewed her body before he left the scene to go to Jeremy's cottage with DC Mick Clark!

Now, I find it hard to imagine how anybody can assume that somebody who has two bullet holes pumped into the neck, with blood pouring for every orifice above waist height except for the victims ears, and blood gushing here there and everywhere, staining the nightdress that Sheila was wearing, with all these marks on the top part of her right hand, wrist and forearm, and bloody fingermarks on the front part of her nightdress, and despite there having been a Bible on top of Sheila's chest, that anybody can come to the conclusion that Sheila looked so peaceful, like she was just a sleep!!

What..

Give me a break...


So how would you, as a close relative, wish to have the victim described to you?  A) She was barely recognizable, sir. Half her face was blown away taking her jaw and teeth with it, and the other half was covered in blood. B) She looked peaceful, just like she was asleep.

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The truth has been exploited by Essex police and it's experts and prosecution witnesses!


Sheila's body on far side of bed? Ambiguous. Therefore can be 'managed

Dr Craig doesn't once mention the fact that Sheila Caffells body was on the bedroom floor! Neither does the copper who accompanied him at that time! (8.44 am), the phrases used by both parties was that Sheila's body was 'on the far side of the bed'. Since, the three letters of the word 'BED' is mentioned in the accounts attributed to them is used, not only is it logical to assume that they were referring to Sheila's body at 'that' (8.44am) time as being 'on the bed', it requires a leap of faith to imagine that what Craig and the other one saw, was Sheila's body being actually on the floor of the bedroom! Now, I wasn't there inside the bedroom when Stan Jones and Mick Clark visited there, or later on when they informed Ann Eaton, and the others gathered at Jeremy's cottage, that Neville's body was found in the kitchen, and that the bodies of the two children were found in their separate beds in a bedroom! That Sheila and June's bodies were found both laid on top of the bed side by side each other, that Sheila had only been shot once, and that on the bed in between both of their bodies was the rifle, and that there was a Bible on top of Sheila Caffells chest!

Now, I can't begin to imagine why anybody at all would want to be placing Sheila Caffells body as though it had been found on the bedroom floor, if what Jones and Clark told Ann Eaton and the others, that Sheila's body had been laid on top of the bed when they visited the main bedroom prior to leaving the scene to come with Jeremy to his cottage? Why would they tell Ann Eaton and the others the correct location of Neville Bambers body, downstairs in the kitchen, and that the two child victims were found in their beds in another bedroom, yet lie about how the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber had been laid on top of the bed in the main bedroom?

I don't have to manage the evidence, it's all been recorded in various ways by Dr Craig (8.44am), and the cop who accompanied him at that time. Also by Stan Jones and Mick Clark, and Ann Eaton it's all in the file.

Then there are the photographs and the video footage that was taken at the scene by DC Oakey and DC Henderson (the first SOC team who performed the duty of recording the positions of the bodies of Sheila and June as and when senior officers moved the bodies whilst conducting 'informatives' in that bedroom between 9.00am and 10.00am). That's why the second team of SOC (Cook, Davidson, Hammersley, and Bird) were held back and prevented from entering the crime scene and taking control of it (after 10.00am)! Cops didn't want the staged death scenes of Sheila and June in the bedroom recorded on film and footage by the same SOCO's who had photographed the two bodies on the bed together!

They had to have two teams of SOCO's, the first one (Oakey and Henderson) to record the main bedroom scene before senior officers interferred with it, and whilst moving the bodies, the gun, and the bible around, followed by the second team (Cook, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird) whose job was to record the scene as it had been left by senior officers, with a view of relying upon what the second team recorded as it had allegedly been found two hours or so, beforehand!

So, please don't try to insinuate that I am managing the evidence, it's not me that's been deceiving everybody about where Sheila Caffells body was at one time or another that morning, look no further than the dastardly Essex police!

Why did they use two different SOC teams?

Why weren't all the photographs which Oakey and Henderson took, and all the photographs that Bird took, all disclosed to the defence? The answer is a relatively simple one, because the truth of the matter is that if all 581 photographs had been disclosed to Jeremy and his legal team, Jeremy would never have stood trial, because Oakey and Henderson took the film and footage of Sheila's body on the bed and on the floor, without the gun, and with the gun, with the Bible on Sheila's chest and without the Bible on her chest! Bird took photographs after 10.00am with Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, with no Bible in her chest, but instead the rifle on top of her body!

Everything I am saying is absolutely true, and Essex police, the DPP, the CCRC and every other Tom dick and Harry at the Home Office, and within the Criminal Justice System knows what has taken place here! It's shocking, and they know that when the shit hits the fan that the general public at large will view the role of the police entirely differently! They shoot people don't they, or let's just say they have shot people, sometimes by mistake? They used to be responsible for innocent people being hanged! They forge witness statements in people's names, they charge people with offences that the person concerned committed no offence, they are violent and have a mob mentality in many cases!

There were a total of 581 photographs that were taken in connection with these investigations (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85), and yet only around 223 saw the light of day, another 358 or so were deliberately withheld many of these missing photographs show Sheila and June's bodies on the bed together with the rifle on the bed in between both bodies and with a Bible on top of Sheila's chest! Some show only Sheila's body on the bed, with June's body taken off the bed, with the rifle taken off the bed, and with the Bible taken off Sheila's chest - more importantly, the fact that Sheila had only been shot once at the time these photographs were taken!

PC Bird had to fake a false photographic schedule showing that only around 223 photographs had been taken during the police investigation, but he wasn't clever enough to pull the deception off, as per his trial testimony where he let slip that DC Oakey had taken a particular photograph of Sheila at the scene with the barrel of the gun resting against the left side of Sheila's neck!

Bird dropped a clanger which throws the validity of these murder convictions wide open!

Officially, DC Oakey and DC Henderson were never present at whf on the first morning of the police investigation - but if that were true, how did DC Oakey manage to take at least one photograph showing the guns barrel resting against the left hand side of Sheila Caffells neck at the scene?

The truth will out, the tide of corruption and dishonesty in this prosecution will soon be turning into a raging tsunami..

Time of Sheila's death? Half an hour AFTER she'd been pronounced dead....................having already been dead for several hours with two nicely neat bullet holes, just as one would expect from the weapon used to inflict them


It's not me making things up - all the evidence is there, it appears there because there are those amongst us who cannot begin to imagine or comprehend that there were two distinct investigations into these shootings, and an internal firearms enquiry into the circumstances surrounding the discharge of a police officers firearm at the time entry was gained into the kitchen (Officers Report, reference no. 1612, applies). I don't think some of those amongst us can grasp that by the time Jeremy Bamber stood trial in October 1986, that the dastardly Essex police and it's collaborators the DPP, sang from the evidence gathered during the term of the second part of the police investigation (gathered under a Crime Reference of SC/786/85) - at this stage, a totally misleading account was not only being relied upon by the prosecuting authorities and it's allies, or interested parties, but this misleading truth was fed to the unsuspecting Jury, who had no knowledge that in fact there had existed another police file, (SC/688/85) containing contradictory information and conclusions, and other evidence capable of establishing beyond reasonable doubt that the prosecutions case against Jeremy Bamber was and is a totally dishonest one!

You see, the dastardly Essex police, and the equally questionable DPP, and all other interested parties, held a dark secret which they never intended to leak out to the court which tried Jeremy Bamber as the out and outright killer! There was no hitman, no mercenary, no accomplice, no third party involvement in the killings of these poor victims!

Jeremy Bamber was portrayed as the greedy son who wanted to lay his hands on his parents wealth, sooner, rather than later!

He had carried out the killings, using the family owned .22 semi - automatic Anshuzt rifle, it's SM and 25 rounds of Ely .22 LR subsonic hollow point ammunition belonging to the family, etc, etc, etc...

It is not necessary for me to have to go over everything that was said during the 1986 trial, or even what took place at the 2002 failed appeal hearing! Save to say, that it was not until after the failed 2002 appeal that most of the fresh evidence contained in the first part of the police file (SC/688/85) fell into Jeremy Bambers and those who have represented him in one form or anothers, hands...

Since 2002, there has been a concerted effort on the part of the dastardly Essex police, the DPP and other state agencies to play down much of this previously unseen, evidence! In point of fact, 'they' have proceeded as though this previously undisclosed material had always been available to the defendant and his solicitors from the beginning!

This is a lie!!!

Jeremy Bamber was never arrested in connection with any of the evidence gathered by Essex police during the first part of the police investigation, contained in police file SC/688/85, he was not entitled to see any information gathered in that file because none of its contents related to him, or any suspicion that he had done anything untoward with regard to the circumds

His legal team were only entitled to see the evidence collected by the police which they had gathered during the second part of their investigation (SC/786/85)...

Now, back to responding to the instant Time of Sheila's death? Half an hour AFTER she'd been pronounced dead....................having already been dead for several hours with two nicely neat bullet holes, just as one would expect from the weapon used to inflict them[/i][/color]

This anomaly occurs because of previously undisclosed evidence, from the first part of the police investigation (or should I say, the police file gathered under SC/688/85)! The location at the time of first contact with Sheila Caffells was downstairs in the kitchen at the time the firearms team entered the kitchen! This was at 7.35am, and the altercation which took place involving the discharge of a police firearm in the kitchen at around that time was over and done with by 7.37am, confirmed a minute later at 7.38am! Sheila believed dead by 7.37am, onwards...

Of course, the jury never got an opportunity to consider and reject the significance of such evidence, because this evidence was never part of the SC/786/85 file used to prosecute Jeremy! Now, you can insinuate all you like about me supposedly making all of this up, but the truth is that I am not making anything up! It's evidence which has always been in the first part of the investigation (SC/688/85) that Jeremy and his solicitors were never given access to prior to the commencement of his October 1986, Chelmsford Crown Court trial, or indeed, for that matter, prior to or inclusive of the failed 2002  appeal hearing!

I do not wish to go into too much detail at this stage save to say you will need to see the 'Officers Report' concerning the shooting incident which occurred at the time of the first armed police officers entry into the kitchen at 7.35am - the report in question has a reference of '1612'...

It is not for me to have to post the contents of this report, it's supposedly withheld under pii, that is the contents of that / this report!

Why don't Jeremy's current campaign team demand it's disclosure, they are entitled to see it's contents providing that they give a legitimate explanation for why the report in question and it's contents should be disclosed, since when something is withheld under the pii rules, it does not mean that the contents of such material can never be disclosed! For example, if Jeremy's current campaign team requested that it should be disclosed, because it's contents will confirm that Jeremy Bamber could not have shot dead his sister, Sheila Caffells, and staged her death scene on the bedroom floor, and that he could not have removed a SM from the end of the guns barrel, and did so because he feared that if he had left the SM on the end of the guns barrel, it would have been possible to prove that his sister had not in fact shot and killed herself, and that 'he' Jeremy Bamber had not, in fact taken the SM all the way downstairs as alluded to by the prosecution at his October, 1986 trial, and hidden it away inside some ammunition box or other in a cupboard in a downstairs room known to the family as 'the den', because right up until 7.35am his sister had still been very much alive, that prior to the shooting incident involving a firearm officers weapon becoming involved in a shooting incident at that moment, that Jeremy Bambers sister, 'Sheila Jean Caffell' had not in fact been shot at all, and could not in fact have been killed by Jeremy Bamber more than four hours previously, as alleged!

The 'Officers Report' (1612) should be disclosed in the interests of Justice, also in the public interest, and this miscarriage of justice set straight!

No matter how much the relatives hated Jeremy, one thing is absolutely certain - and that fact is that Jeremy Bamber could not have shot and killed his sister Sheila and staged her body to fool police into thinking that she had shot and killed the others, and that he had then staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor, to fool police into thinking that his sister had taken her own life, because at 7.35am, was the very first time that Sheila had got shot by anyone!

As for Sheila's body being 'on the far side of the bed' at 8.44am  when the police surgeon saw Sheila's body and mistakenly pronounced her as being dead at 'that' stage, and later on when Stan Jones saw Sheila's body laid on top of the bed, sporting one bullet wound to her neck, when Sheila had appeared so peaceful, and as though she were but sleeping thereafter, well I could go into prolific detail here, but what would be the point?

Cops shot Sheila in the kitchen, it should be clear to anyone that this is the correct interpretation of what happened - cops thought she was dead, but alas she wasn't! Next Sheila's body ended up 'on the far side of the bed' at 8.44am, at which stage a police surgeon pronounced Sheila as being dead, as a result of what appeared to be a single shot in the neck! Then there was Stan Jones, he visited the main bedroom scene and he described how he had seen Sheila Caffells body laid 'on top of the bed', looking so peaceful, as if she was merely just a sleep!

Well, she wasn't dead by that stage either...

By the time Stan Jones saw Sheila's body laid 'on top of the bed' she had not yet been shot a second time!!!
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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So how would you, as a close relative, wish to have the victim described to you?  A) She was barely recognizable, sir. Half her face was blown away taking her jaw and teeth with it, and the other half was covered in blood. B) She looked peaceful, just like she was asleep.

You overlook one vital piece of evidence, 'THE CONTENTS OF OFFICERS REPORT' (reference 1612, refers)...

if what you say was true, why does such an 'Officers Report' exist, and why are it's contents withheld under pii?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...