Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[Adam]

The majority of the forum believe the silencer was fabricated.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7747.msg365525.html#msg365525

I don't know who Adam thinks he is fooling by saying 'No one agrees'

What guilters believe the silencer was fabricated ? Apart from Caroline.

At least Caroline has given a scenario. That the police fabricated the silencer and then asked the relatives to lie in their WS's.

You just give an impossible scenario about water, buckets, underwear & mad relatives.

[buddy]

Can you tell me how the relatives had on the following -


Contact shots during the massacre.

Liklihood of back splatter with that rifle.

Blood already on rifle nozzle.

Photos of aga.

Lenght of rifle with silencer.

Lenght of Sheila's arms.

Other evidence showing guilt/innocence.

Police checks already carried out on silencers.

Where to get Sheila's blood.

How to insert Sheila's blood.

If unable to get Sheila's blood, what was her blood type.

Would someone else's blood be enough.

How to effectivly scrape the aga to replicate a scrape during a random fight.

Possibility of a successful silencer frame securing a conviction.

Punishment if convicted of a attempting to frame a man of murdering 5 people.

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And then tell the forum how it's possible to go into a bucket of water & transfer diluted wet blood embedded into underwear into silencer baffles.

Tch. Nothing like making a book of your points.

[mike tesko]

Why would it be? He wasn't at the business end of the rifle.

There was absolutely no evidence whatsoever, that there was anyone other than the five victims inside whf when the shootings took place - if I am wrong please alert me to this evidence and I will do my utmost to try and descredit it..

[Jane]

Oh, I forgot to mention, Jeremy had a shower before he left the scene, obviously mindful that he didn't want to leave absolutely no trace of his presence inside the farmhouse during the shootings, his escape afterwards via a ground floor window, and of course any trace of any victims blood on the bicycle belonging to his mother, June Bamber - oh, and then I woke up, it was only a dream (or part of a prosecution witnesses statement)...

It would have been very suspicious if there'd been no trace of him when he freely admitted to having been there. As for his getaway, he'd been on the delivery end of the rifle, NOT the receiving end. No reason for him to be bloodstained if he'd taken a disguise with him and removed it before he left. He could have hidden them. No one went through his wardrobe in the beginning because he wasn't a suspect.

[Caroline]

There was absolutely no evidence whatsoever, that there was anyone other than the five victims inside whf when the shootings took place - if I am wrong please alert me to this evidence and I will do my utmost to try and descredit it..

Hang on, what about the scruffy bloke that is often described as leaving the farm on the bight of the murders, or the block in the caravan who was supposed to be seeing Sheila?

There was one other - Jeremy but they weren't looking for evidence of another after he (temporarily)  convinced them of a phone call.

[David1819]

The jury is still out on Sheila's feet - lovie!

Seem the Jury are still deadlocked in deliberations. 

9 Jurors realise the photo is Sheila's foot but Stevie Wonder and the Chuckle Brothers are having doubts. 

[Caroline]

Seem the Jury are still deadlocked in deliberations. 

9 Jurors realise the photo is Sheila's foot but Stevie Wonder and the Chuckle Brothers are having doubts. 

Which 9?

[mike tesko]

Hang on, what about the scruffy bloke that is often described as leaving the farm on the bight of the murders, or the block in the caravan who was supposed to be seeing Sheila?

There was one other - Jeremy but they weren't looking for evidence of another after he (temporarily)  convinced them of a phone call.

Jeremy wasn't at the farmhouse or inside it when the family (excluding Sheila) got shot! He was outside along Pages \Lane when the raid team entered the kitchen and found two bodies! Now, obviously, it would be futile to try and suggest that the second body was that of June Bamber because that would be even harder to persuade anyone that she had been the female downstairs in the kitchen between 7.35am and 8.10am. We all know it must have been Sheila, it was Sheila! Some time after 8.30am, Sheila's body ended up on the far side of the bed just like Dr Craig said she was! Jones and Clark, well these two merry chaps then saw the bodies of June and Sheila laid on top of the bed, with Sheila only having been shot once by that stage. There was a rifle on the bed in between both females and Sheila had a bible resting on her chest! Then by 10.00am, the second team of SOC are photographing Sheila's body on the bedroom floor on one side of the bed, and Junes body on the floor on the other side of the bed! The gun is now in Sheila's possession, and the bible which had previously been resting on Sheila's chest was now on the floor to the right of her upper and outer right arm...

Jeremy had no way of influencing any of these events, the police were in control of the farmhouse after 7.35am, not Jeremy!

He didn't pass a lie detector test because he was lying, try telling that to the examiner who tested him!!

[Nigel]

Ron Cook told the COLP Investigators, that if he had seen a silencer in the gun cupboard located under the stairs in a room known as the den, he would have taken it for takings sake because the thread on the end of the Anshuzt barrel was clean and blood free, and that it gave an impression that something might attach itself there, such as a silencer (and the rifles metal end cap). One thing appears clear and that is that Cook did not arrive at the farmhouse until 9.20am that morning! Him and his team of SOCO's did not get handed the scene from senior officers until 10 O'clock. By the time Cook got to see the end of the anshuzt rifles barrel, a great deal of activity involving its movement and positioning had already occurred! For example, Cook didn't see the anshuzt rifle at the box room window, where Julia Jeapes and PC Brown had seen it earlier that same morning! Cook didn't see the rifle laying alongside Sheila's body at 8.44am, when the police surgeon, Dr Craig, saw Sheila's body on the far side of the bed at that time!  Cook didn't see Sheila's body at about 9.00am when as PS Adams said, he had no recollection of seeing a gun with Sheila's body at that time! Cook was not there when Stan Jones and Mick Clark saw Sheila and Junes bodies laid on top of the bed, with the rifle at that stage resting on the bed in between both bodies! And Cook did not see the bodies being lifted from the bed and placed on the floor, nor could he be expected to know of the whereabouts of the rifle whilst this exercise was going on (informatives)!

But one thing he must have known about, involved Stan Jones return to the scene shortly after 11.30am on that first morning, to collect exhibits SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1. No doubt on the 13th August 1985, when he was given the silencer by Stan Jones, that Cooks mind went into automatic mode, and he must have assumed that the silencer Stan Jones had given him that particular morning, was the very same silencer that he knew Stan Jones had taken from the scene on the first morning of the investigation - hence why Cook attached his own exhibit label and marked it 'SJ/1' he thinking that Stan Jones was the finder of it...

[mike tesko]

Julia Jeapes' was a trained firearm instructor who was part of the containment team which surrounded the farmhouse after her arrival at the scene at about 7.00am with a second group of technical support officers! She was deployed in an observation and containment role! In her possession she had a police weapon fitted with a telescopic site! She was in position checking the windows of the farmhouse from a safe distance using her scope just prior to the selected six man raid team commenced it's approach to enter the house via the rear court yard door which they intended to smash open using a sledgehammer they carried! In her witness statement she describes being in position and observing the raid party making their way toward the courtyard door. She reported what she believed was a rifle leaning against a first floor window situated on the red brick part of the farmhouse. No-one had seen that rifle there previously, and so it poses the question, how soon prior to Julia Jeapes' seeing 'it' there, had someone placed it there? She saw the rifle there at 'this' first floor window at about 7.15am, or shortly afterwards! In any event, as a trained firearms instructor it is important to remember that she was capable of knowing the different between a shotgun, and or, a rifle!

The term used in her witness statement was that what she could see, was a rifle!

The first floor window in question, has since been identified as the 'box room' window, situated on the courtyard side of the farmhouse, a room which is situated between the parents main bedroom and the bedroom where the two child victims slept on that last occasion! The 'box room' has two connecting doors, one which connects the parents main bedroom to 'it', and the other which gives access to the bedroom where the children were sleeping!

More significantly, 'that' rifle was resting there, at the 'box room' window, when the raid team smashed the courtyard door off its hinges and entered the premises at around 7.35am!

[Nigel]

Julia Jeapes' was a trained firearm instructor who was part of the containment team which surrounded the farmhouse after her arrival at the scene at about 7.00am with a second group of technical support officers! She was deployed in an observation and containment role! In her possession she had a police weapon fitted with a telescopic site! She was in position checking the windows of the farmhouse from a safe distance using her scope just prior to the selected six man raid team commenced it's approach to enter the house via the rear court yard door which they intended to smash open using a sledgehammer they carried! In her witness statement she describes being in position and observing the raid party making their way toward the courtyard door. She reported what she believed was a rifle leaning against a first floor window situated on the red brick part of the farmhouse. No-one had seen that rifle there previously, and so it poses the question, how soon prior to Julia Jeapes' seeing 'it' there, had someone placed it there? She saw the rifle there at 'this' first floor window at about 7.15am, or shortly afterwards! In any event, as a trained firearms instructor it is important to remember that she was capable of knowing the different between a shotgun, and or, a rifle!

The term used in her witness statement was that what she could see, was a rifle!

The first floor window in question, has since been identified as the 'box room' window, situated on the courtyard side of the farmhouse, a room which is situated between the parents main bedroom and the bedroom where the two child victims slept on that last occasion! The 'box room' has two connecting doors, one which connects the parents main bedroom to 'it', and the other which gives access to the bedroom where the children were sleeping!

More significantly, 'that' rifle was resting there, at the 'box room' window, when the raid team smashed the courtyard door off its hinges and entered the premises at around 7.35am!

Thanks Mike,

and PC Brown's account?

[mike tesko]

More significantly, 'that' rifle was resting there, at the 'box room' window, when the raid team smashed the courtyard door off its hinges and entered the premises at around 7.35am!

All the more reason, therefore, to ponder the reported discovery of two dead bodies found immediately upon entry to the premises as referred to in timed police radio messages (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, and 7.42am) ' the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female' and 'one dead male, one dead female'..

Now, if one of the two dead bodies found upon entry to the premises was a female, that female body could only have been the body of Sheila Caffell, it couldn't have been the body of June Bamber, which never left the main bedroom upstairs where she was shot dead! How had Sheila's body been found by the raid team when they entered the premises? If the rifle that supposedly had shot her dead, was the rifle that Julia Jeapes' reported seeing at the first floor box room window, how had Sheila's body ended up downstairs presumed shot dead by 7.35am, onward?

[buddy]

Seems to me that someone has been looking at the forum. Local paper has reported that JB has launched a third bid for another appeal.
Lawyers working on behalf  of Bamber have contacted the head special crime and counter terrorism division at the Crown Prosecution Service. Sue Hemming {whoever she is} asking for documents to be disclosed which could prove Bambers innocence.
Bamber believes that evidence was taken from two sound moderators rather than one.
Once the CPS formally disclose these documents it is an admission that Essex Police took two silencers to the lab for examination both had blood staining on them and both were ruled as irrelevant to the inquiry.
Sue Hemming has to concede to the Criminal Cases Reviews Commission the CPS can no longer sustain  my conviction and my case must be fast tracked to the Court Of Appeal now the second silencer should have been known by the jury.

[mike tesko]

Seems to me that someone has been looking at the forum. Local paper has reported that JB has launched a third bid for another appeal.
Lawyers working on behalf  of Bamber have contacted the head special crime and counter terrorism division at the Crown Prosecution Service. Sue Hemming {whoever she is} asking for documents to be disclosed which could prove Bambers innocence.
Bamber believes that evidence was taken from two sound moderators rather than one.
Once the CPS formally disclose these documents it is an admission that Essex Police took two silencers to the lab for examination both had blood staining on them and both were ruled as irrelevant to the inquiry.
Sue Hemming has to concede to the Criminal Cases Reviews Commission the CPS can no longer sustain  my conviction and my case must be fast tracked to the Court Of Appeal now the second silencer should have been known by the jury.

Buddy, here is a response of an Email I sent to Essex police in 2004 stating that I knew that there had been two silencers involved in the case of prosecuting Jeremy Bamber as the killer of the five victims:-

[lookout]

Seems to me that someone has been looking at the forum. Local paper has reported that JB has launched a third bid for another appeal.
Lawyers working on behalf  of Bamber have contacted the head special crime and counter terrorism division at the Crown Prosecution Service. Sue Hemming {whoever she is} asking for documents to be disclosed which could prove Bambers innocence.
Bamber believes that evidence was taken from two sound moderators rather than one.
Once the CPS formally disclose these documents it is an admission that Essex Police took two silencers to the lab for examination both had blood staining on them and both were ruled as irrelevant to the inquiry.
Sue Hemming has to concede to the Criminal Cases Reviews Commission the CPS can no longer sustain  my conviction and my case must be fast tracked to the Court Of Appeal now the second silencer should have been known by the jury.

Sue Hemming is a barrister and also head of counter terrorism.Sue is a fantastic hard-working person and remains to be a tough nut to crack re. the CPS. She was responsible for bringing charges against wrongdoers during the Hillsborough tragedy.
I read about her last week and if anyone can sort the wheat from the chaff in the Bamber case she can.