Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[Jane]

How can the police possibly know whats part of a crime before its been examined by the forensics? Thats why they collect items to send back. They cannot know such things in advance in any case. Such argument is thoughtless.

"The first officer to arrive at the scene of a crime is responsible for taking steps
to preserve and protect the area to the greatest extent possible. The officer
should not let his or her guard down; the scene should always be treated as
though the crime were still occurring until it is proved otherwise.

First priority should be given to obtaining medical assistance for individuals
in need of it. Steps must be taken by the first responder to exclude all
unauthorized personnel from the scene and keep an accurate log of who enters
and exits the scene and the time at which they do so.

Once the scene has been secured, with the help of others, a lead investigator
will start the process of evaluating the area. The lead investigator will immediately
gain an overview of the situation and develop a strategy for the systematic
examination and documentation of the entire crime scene."

It isn't thoughtless. It's actually logical. You refer to them not letting their guard down. Their guard was already down. Jeremy had given them clear and succinct detail of Sheila's medical history. Jeremy had practically told them what they'd find. They knew that no one else was involved. All the family, other than Jeremy, whose belated arrival they'd witnessed, were in the house with a insane woman who had full working knowledge of guns, and a gun in her hands! We KNOW they were wrong to accept his word, but the fact remains, they did.
To get back to the silencer. There is still an ongoing debate about whether or not she could have shot herself twice whilst it was still attached. At a guess, as there wasn't one ON the weapon when it was found, it would hardly have occurred to them that she'd used one, if only because there wasn't one to be seen. IF she'd used such to shoot the others, sooner than make her own demise more difficult/take longer than necessary, she'd most certainly have removed it, prior to taking the shot, and it would most likely have been found close by.

[Adam]

It seems David is not going to say who the 5 people were who simultaneously wanted Bamber disinherited & had access to Sheila's blood. I don't know why David, Nugs, Roch & Lookout say things they can't support.

EP had access to Sheila's blood but had no reason to want Bamber disinherited.

The relatives were rich but apparently wanted Bamber disinherited. However had no access to Sheila's blood or a vast amount of other information relating to the silencer. 

So either the police fabricated the silencer & amazingly asked the relatives to pretend they found it. Or the relatives asked the police to fabricate the silencer & offerred to pretend they found it for them.

This question goes out to everybody. If it can be answered it is a game changer.

If it can be proved that 5 members of EP wanted Bamber disinherited, then EP could have fabricated the silencer. EP already had access to Sheila's blood. Quite why EP were interested in inheritance and asked the relatives to lie in their WS by saying they found the silencer, I don't know.

If it can be proved that 5 members of the family had access to Sheila's blood & a vast amount of other silencer information, they could have fabricated the silencer. They were already rich & law abiding citizens so attempting something so serious & risky is a 1 in a million chance.

[Adam]

Things the relatives needed prior to attempting to frame Bamber with the silencer -

Contact shots during the massacre. 

Liklihood of back splatter with that rifle.

Blood already on rifle nozzle. 

Photos of aga. 

Lenght of rifle with silencer. 

Lenght of Sheila's arms. 

Other evidence showing guilt/innocence. 

Police checks already carried out on silencers. 

Where to get Sheila's blood. 

How to insert Sheila's blood. 

If unable to get Sheila's blood, what was her blood type.

Would someone else's blood be enough.

How to effectivly scrape the aga to replicate a scrape during a random fight.

Possibility of a successful silencer frame securing a conviction.

Punishment if convicted of a attempting to frame a man of murdering 5 people.


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Obviously all this information could only be given to them by EP.

[Caroline]

How can the police possibly know whats part of a crime before its been examined by the forensics? Thats why they collect items to send back. They cannot know such things in advance in any case. Such argument is thoughtless.

"The first officer to arrive at the scene of a crime is responsible for taking steps
to preserve and protect the area to the greatest extent possible. The officer
should not let his or her guard down; the scene should always be treated as
though the crime were still occurring until it is proved otherwise.

First priority should be given to obtaining medical assistance for individuals
in need of it. Steps must be taken by the first responder to exclude all
unauthorized personnel from the scene and keep an accurate log of who enters
and exits the scene and the time at which they do so.

Once the scene has been secured, with the help of others, a lead investigator
will start the process of evaluating the area. The lead investigator will immediately
gain an overview of the situation and develop a strategy for the systematic
examination and documentation of the entire crime scene."

The gun cupboard wasn't part of the crime scene as far as they knew. They went on information received - information fro your mate Bamber!

[Jon2]

The gun cupboard wasn't part of the crime scene as far as they knew. They went on information received - information fro your mate Bamber!

Four police officers searched the gun cupboard , they probably saw the silencer , with blob of blood ,
Jam looking , and thought , we just leave that there. .
Or it wasn't there , when they looked .

[Jane]

Four police officers searched the gun cupboard , they probably saw the silencer , with blob of blood ,
Jam looking , and thought , we just leave that there. .
Or it wasn't there , when they looked .

Perhaps it was mistaken for a tampon holder?

[Adam]

Four police officers searched the gun cupboard , they probably saw the silencer , with blob of blood ,
Jam looking , and thought , we just leave that there. .
Or it wasn't there , when they looked .

The silencer was in a box at the back of the gun cupboard. Not sure why the police would start opening boxes.

[Adam]

It's not the end for supporters because the relatives would have needed huge police assistance to secure a successful fabrication.

It just means the police & relatives worked together. Either the police fabricating the silencer & then asking the relatives to pretend they found it in false WS's.  Or the relatives asking the police to assist them in framing Bamber.

For some reason supporters refuse to say who approached who. Most recently David today.

[Caroline]

Four police officers searched the gun cupboard , they probably saw the silencer , with blob of blood ,
Jam looking , and thought , we just leave that there. .
Or it wasn't there , when they looked .

They weren't looking for a silencer!

[Jane]

Four police officers searched the gun cupboard , they probably saw the silencer , with blob of blood ,
Jam looking , and thought , we just leave that there. .
Or it wasn't there , when they looked .

They would certainly have seen what was in front of them. The silencer wasn't, and according to where it was, they wouldn't have seen it even if they'd had a torch, and even IF they had, why would they think a boxed object in the deepest recesses of a wedge shaped cupboard had been recently used in a crime which didn't require it's use............. the fact remains that they weren't looking for it.

[mike tesko]

They would certainly have seen what was in front of them. The silencer wasn't, and according to where it was, they wouldn't have seen it even if they'd had a torch, and even IF they had, why would they think a boxed object in the deepest recesses of a wedge shaped cupboard had been recently used in a crime which didn't require it's use............. the fact remains that they weren't looking for it.

The silencer that Stan Jones took from the scene on that first morning of the investigation wasn't in the cupboard, it was attached to Anthony Pargeters Bruno rifle in the downstairs bathroom. The reason the cops never took the other sound moderator out of the gun cupboard was because they had already taken the other one, as mentioned...

Where is Stan Jones witness statement which makes mention of the four exhibits (SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1) he removed from whf on the 7th August 1985?

Its being withheld under pii, but there exists clear mention of its existence in several police documents...

[Jane]

The silencer that Stan Jones took from the scene on that first morning of the investigation wasn't in the cupboard, it was attached to Anthony Pargeters Bruno rifle in the downstairs bathroom. The reason the cops never took the other sound moderator out of the gun cupboard was because they had already taken the other one, as mentioned...

Where is Stan Jones witness statement which makes mention of the four exhibits (SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1) he removed from whf on the 7th August 1985?

Its being withheld under pii, but there exists clear mention of its existence in several police documents...

Well, if they could see it clearly enough to discuss it and take a unilateral decision to leave it there, not only was it in their sight, it was also well within sight of anyone else who looked.

[mike tesko]

The following references to a silencer and a sound moderator are amongst documents inj my possession:-

Doc.6 - Property Book No.4 Entry 512, reference Sound Moderator DRB/1

Doc.7 - Property Book No.5 Entry 648, reference Sound Moderator DRB/1

Doc.10 - Form F. P. /1 relating to silencer DRB/1

Doc.19 - Property Book No.5 Entry No.675 and 676 relative to 2 sound moderators and a gun cover

[David1819]

They would certainly have seen what was in front of them. The silencer wasn't, and according to where it was, they wouldn't have seen it even if they'd had a torch, and even IF they had, why would they think a boxed object in the deepest recesses of a wedge shaped cupboard had been recently used in a crime which didn't require it's use............. the fact remains that they weren't looking for it.

The gun cupboard wasn't part of the crime scene as far as they knew. They went on information received - information fro your mate Bamber!

 

I just can't believe that ALL of the evidence was found AFTER the police were supposed to have completed a search. Moderator in the gun cupboard, scratches on the aga, jigsaw blade under the window, scratches on the catch. The weird thing is, the evidence seemed to grow out of the relatives theory when usually a theory develops from the evidence 'after' it is found.

But Caroline, because the rellies had produced the "evidence" of Jeremy's guilt before the police did, it stands to reasom that they would have provided the police with the theory to go with it, as borne out in RWB's "diary."

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4455.msg182871.html#msg182871

do you not think it strange that the one piece of physical evidence which convicted Jeremy and MAY or not have been in that cupboard when the police searched, it's use in the crime now disputed, was found and presented to EP by the very people who stood to benefit from his conviction.

[Caroline]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4455.msg182871.html#msg182871

Back to posting old posts David? That's what you do when you have nothing - that's why you do it so often. Ready to admit that you got yourself over excited by 3SB and made a berk of yourself?