Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[Caroline]

That's beside the point. They looked inside the gun cupboard and inside that gun cupboard was an accessory device to the murder weapon. They failed to notice and take custody of it. This creates a predicament for both police and the prosecution.

No it isn't, it is IS the point! Why would they collect evidence that they didn't know they needed? There were other guns left at the scene so why take a silencer that could have come from any gun owned at WHF at ANY time?

[Jon2]

No it isn't, it is IS the point! Why would they collect evidence that they didn't know they needed? There were other guns left at the scene so why take a silencer that could have come from any gun owned at WHF at ANY time?

There was a blob of blood on it , jam like , was there not ?

Or was AE lying ?

[Jane]

There was a blob of blood on it , jam like , was there not ?

Or was AE lying ?

That one -literally- bit the dust ages ago. Jam=sticky=wet blood. Dried blood=dust. Perhaps AE was simply mistaken over what she thought she saw.

[Jon2]

That one -literally- bit the dust ages ago. Jam=sticky=wet blood. Dried blood=dust. Perhaps AE was simply mistaken over what she thought she saw.

Bit the dust alright , once Caroline proved it to be a lie .

[David1819]

No it isn't, it is IS the point! Why would they collect evidence that they didn't know they needed? There were other guns left at the scene so why take a silencer that could have come from any gun owned at WHF at ANY time?

The scene of crime personnel are supposed to record and secure as much evidence as possible, specially any weapons and their accessories for processing at the lab. Not wait around for other people to find it for them and potentially contaminate/manipulate those items in the process.

The fact the police looked in the cupboard and never recovered the item, could enable the defence come trial to argue it was never there in the first place. Hence why I speculated the police could have tried to make out they did recover it in the first place. By writing false statements they could appear to fill the gaps in their initial handling of the scene.

[Jane]

The scene of crime personnel are supposed to record and secure as much evidence as possible, specially any weapons and their accessories for processing at the lab. Not wait around for other people to find it for them and potentially contaminate/manipulate those items in the process.

The fact the police looked in the cupboard and never recovered the item, could enable the defence come trial to argue it was never there in the first place. Hence why I speculated the police could have tried to make out they did recover it in the first place. By writing false statements they could appear to fill the gaps in their initial handling of the scene.

Had they KNOWN a silencer was part of the crime and left without locating one, it would have been extremely careless, especially as they'd looked in the cupboard several times. However, because they'd accepted that Sheila was responsible, it follows that it would never have crossed their minds that she'd have shot herself with an attachment on the rifle.

[Adam]

Who are these 5 people who had access to Sheila's blood & wanted to see Bamber disinherited ?

Hopefully David will say who the 5 people were who had access to Sheila's blood & also wanted Bamber disinherited.

[Adam]

Based on the evidence, it can be safely deduced that the blood was planted maliciously by someone who has both access to Sheila's blood and a vested interest in seeing Jeremy disinherited. Who that person is I do not know for sure, but it can be narrowed down to a list of five people that meet the two prerequisites I just mentioned.

[Adam]

The scene of crime personnel are supposed to record and secure as much evidence as possible, specially any weapons and their accessories for processing at the lab. Not wait around for other people to find it for them and potentially contaminate/manipulate those items in the process.

The fact the police looked in the cupboard and never recovered the item, could enable the defence come trial to argue it was never there in the first place. Hence why I speculated the police could have tried to make out they did recover it in the first place. By writing false statements they could appear to fill the gaps in their initial handling of the scene.

So the police didn't find the silencer. The relatives did.

The police then drew up false documents showing they had found the silencer. But changed their minds and forgot to throw away the false documents.

[Caroline]

There was a blob of blood on it , jam like , was there not ?

Or was AE lying ?

And?

[Caroline]

The scene of crime personnel are supposed to record and secure as much evidence as possible, specially any weapons and their accessories for processing at the lab. Not wait around for other people to find it for them and potentially contaminate/manipulate those items in the process.

The fact the police looked in the cupboard and never recovered the item, could enable the defence come trial to argue it was never there in the first place. Hence why I speculated the police could have tried to make out they did recover it in the first place. By writing false statements they could appear to fill the gaps in their initial handling of the scene.

They didn't know it was evidence but that;s besides the point. You're changing the subject from SJ's signature - don't think I haven't noticed!

[Adam]

I wish David would say how the silencer was fabricated. He changed stance 2 years ago after deciding it was possible.

He said it was done by someone who had access to Sheila's blood, so is ruling out the possibility it was not Sheila's blood. This is a wise move as it was 100% human blood meaning the silencer was used.

However then says the police did not use Sheila's blood they had available at the police station prior to asking the relatives to pretend they found the silencer.

He then rules out the relatives approaching the police asking them to come on board with a framing attempt.

Either the police approached the relatives, or the relatives approached the police. It can't be neither.

[Adam]

Hopefully David won't go silent & then start posting again when he thinks I've gone.

I only want to know his silencer fabrication scenario which he must have. And the 5 people who had access to Sheila's blood & wanted Bamber disinherited.

[David1819]

Had they KNOWN a silencer was part of the crime and left without locating one, it would have been extremely careless, especially as they'd looked in the cupboard several times. However, because they'd accepted that Sheila was responsible, it follows that it would never have crossed their minds that she'd have shot herself with an attachment on the rifle.

How can the police possibly know whats part of a crime before its been examined by the forensics? Thats why they collect items to send back. They cannot know such things in advance in any case. Such argument is thoughtless.

"The first officer to arrive at the scene of a crime is responsible for taking steps
to preserve and protect the area to the greatest extent possible. The officer
should not let his or her guard down; the scene should always be treated as
though the crime were still occurring until it is proved otherwise.

First priority should be given to obtaining medical assistance for individuals
in need of it. Steps must be taken by the first responder to exclude all
unauthorized personnel from the scene and keep an accurate log of who enters
and exits the scene and the time at which they do so.

Once the scene has been secured, with the help of others, a lead investigator
will start the process of evaluating the area. The lead investigator will immediately
gain an overview of the situation and develop a strategy for the systematic
examination and documentation of the entire crime scene."

[Adam]

Based on the evidence, it can be safely deduced that the blood was planted maliciously by someone who has both access to Sheila's blood and a vested interest in seeing Jeremy disinherited. Who that person is I do not know for sure, but it can be narrowed down to a list of five people that meet the two prerequisites I just mentioned.

It seems David is not going to say who the 5 people were who simultaneously wanted Bamber disinherited & had access to Sheila's blood. I don't know why David, Nugs, Roch & Lookout say things they can't support.

EP had access to Sheila's blood but had no reason to want Bamber disinherited.

The relatives were rich but apparently wanted Bamber disinherited. However had no access to Sheila's blood or a vast amount of other information relating to the silencer. 

So either the police fabricated the silencer & amazingly asked the relatives to pretend they found it. Or the relatives asked the police to fabricate the silencer & offerred to pretend they found it for them.