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Offline David1819

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Well, that's clearly NOT the case, it's certainly a concern of mine and should be of yours. A statement is posted without any corroboration it's then suggested that a dubious series of numbers and letters is Stan Jone's signature from a document that doesn't even mention him - then all of s suddenly because of these DUBIOUS bits of info - the whole case is cracked. Sorry, you might lap this incredulous guff up, but not me - I need PROOF and not simply the words of posters who have made highfalutin claims before, that have turned out to be nothing more than bluster.

How do you imagine that for one moment ANY of this would help Bamber get an appeal?

That's a bit rich coming from someone who peddles myths. Such as but not limited to - Sheila's feet, Mugford's credibility, Walletgate and the mysterious other McDonald from Scotland.
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That's a bit rich coming from someone who peddles myths. Such as but not limited to - Sheila's feet, Mugford's credibility, Walletgate and the mysterious other McDonald from Scotland.

Prove it's Stan Jone's signature and stop writing bollox!
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Yeah OK - you mean the CT!  ::)






No,not directly.

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No,not directly.

Well, good luck with that Lookout.
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Offline Adam

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The Macdonald in Scotland waa a strange recent incident.

Nugs & David went to great lenghts to try to show that RB knew MM. unsuccessfully.

Then failed to give one reason why RB would attempt to persuade Julie that MM committed the massacre.
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Who's signature is this highlighted in yellow?
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Offline mike tesko

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Well, that's clearly NOT the case, it's certainly a concern of mine and should be of yours. A statement is posted without any corroboration it's then suggested that a dubious series of numbers and letters is Stan Jone's signature from a document that doesn't even mention him - then all of s suddenly because of these DUBIOUS bits of info - the whole case is cracked. Sorry, you might lap this incredulous guff up, but not me - I need PROOF and not simply the words of posters who have made highfalutin claims before, that have turned out to be nothing more than bluster.

How do you imagine that for one moment ANY of this would help Bamber get an appeal?

There's clearly something dubious about the comparison tests being performed on exactly 10 crime scene cartridge cases before the ballistic expert even officially received possession of them and the rifle and control ammunition with which only then could the rifle in question have been test fired, and comparisons made thereafter..

How come the comparison tests were done before the ballistic expert received the crime scene ammunition, the rifle and the control ammunition?

There has clearly been a massive deception here, there was clearly an earlier test fire of the rifle with control ammunition, the purpose of which seems to me to have been instrumental in the prosecution being able to argue that all 25 cartridges were loaded into the rifles ammunition magazine, fired, extracted and ejected, when only 15 of the 25 bullets could be matched to the same rifle! How can it simply be just a coincidence that there are 10 of these cartridge cases which had comparison tests performed against control ammunition that must have been fired via the rifle in time for these comparison tests to have been conducted on all occasions before the 20th September 1985?

The ballistic evidence has been doctored to make out a false case that the shootings were a one gun crime, when they wasn't, and aren't...

There  was clearly two guns used in these shootings (three if you include the non fatal shot sustained by Sheila in the kitchen). For now though, lets forget about the cop gun, put that to one side, I can return to that topic later on...

There were two guns used in the shootings, not just the anshuzt rifle, and there were two Parker Hale Sound Moderators / silencers / suppressors, however you want to describe them..

Cops definitely had a sound moderator in their possession on the first morning of the police investigation (SBJ/1), no doubt whatsoever in my mind, and I think they also took Anthony Pargeters Bruno rifle, I think exhibit SBJ/1 was Pargeters rifle and Parker hale. Let me tell you why I believe that, in part its because I believe what Jeremy has told me countless times, about Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle being there at the farmhouse in the downstairs bathroom (toilet). Also, Jeremy told the police at the scene on that first morning that Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle was there inside the house! Anthony Pargeter himself told Essex police that he always kept his .22 bolt action rifle at the farmhouse but that he always removed the bolt from it and took that home with him, so that no-one could fire it in his absence. Nevertheless, whether anybody could fire it in his absence is irrelevant, if it was there along with his silencer...

I am convinced that the gun barrel found downstairs which had paint on the end of its barrel may have been the Pargeter gun, the one that DS Davidson told the COLP investigators about which had been found to have paint on the end of its barrel...

I believe that police knew that Pargeter could not take the bolt to his gun home with him because the bolt is a component part of a firearm which if under license must be kept where it says on the firearms certificate, which in this case, was white house farm. Seems to me, that the anshuzt and Bruno rifles must have both been used in the shootings, but that the police wanted to simplify the investigation because of their mishandling of Sheila during the siege situation and afterwards when armed officers, and then senior officers entered the farmhouse at different times, culminating in Sheila's death on the bedroom floor. Cops guided the lily somewhat and produced a composite witness statement in Anthony Pargeters name, claiming that although he always kept his gun there at whf, it was his practice to remove the bolt and take that home with him so that no-one could fire his gun in his absence!

But he didn't take the bolt home, and I believe that his gun was fired at the time of the tragedy!

I also believe that there were three ammunition magazines fully loaded up with bullets from the outset, for example, the 10 shot Anshuzt magazine, and two ammunition magazines belonging to Anthony Pargeters bruno gun, a 10 shot, and a five shot (at least that's what Jeremy told me regarding the number of ammunition magazines were at the farmhouse that evening)...

I think that somebody loaded up both 10 shot ammunition magazines, one belonging to the anshuzt rifle, and the other belonging to the bruno rifle, and that  there was already five rounds in the five shot magazine belonging to the bruno gun - and that the loading of these guns took place after Jeremy claims he left the farmhouse at about 9.30pm. Even on the off chance that Jeremy carelessly forget or wasn't bothered to unload the anshuzt rifle he had preloaded, after being disappointed about not catching any rabbits to shoot at, and lets say he left the ammunition magazine to the anshuzt rifle still loaded, all that would be required was for Sheila to load 10 bullets into the 10 shot magazine of the bruno weapon...

Another possibility, would be that Anthony Pargeter aided and abetted Sheila to kill her family, which I dismiss, for obvious reason, this being that when Neville Bamber telephoned Jeremy he told him that 'Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy', whereas, when Neville contacted the police, he told them, 'My daughter has got one of my guns and has gone berserk'...
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Who's signature is this highlighted in yellow?

It's one version of Stan Jones signature, he had a habit of extending his signature sometimes, but it was much shorter than the example given quite often...
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It's one version of Stan Jones signature, he had a habit of extending his signature sometimes, but it was much shorter than the example given quite often...

Did he?  ;D
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Offline mike tesko

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Did he?  ;D

It's the same signature, only on that example you have given there's a slight extension, we all have a tendency to sign things differently at times...

Here's some examples of my own:-
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Offline Caroline

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It's the same signature, only on that example you have given there's a slight extension, we all have a tendency to sign things differently at times...

Here's some examples of my own:-

Not that differently Mike and \never using a number in front and completely missing off a surname. As a police officer, he would have needed to stay pretty close to a signature style for obvious reasons.
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Not that differently Mike and \never using a number in front and completely missing off a surname. As a police officer, he would have needed to stay pretty close to a signature style for obvious reasons.

Well, I had better find some of his examples then, in the piles of paperwork I have at my disposal, hadn't I...
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Offline mike tesko

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Like I said, cops had sound moderator / silencer / suppressor to gun on the first day (7th August 1985) of the police investigation:-
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Offline David1819

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It's the same signature, only on that example you have given there's a slight extension, we all have a tendency to sign things differently at times...

Here's some examples of my own:-

You can certainly see similarities. Specially with what appears to a B.

As for those who insinuate its a forgery made by you. Why would you scribble out a signature you put there in the first place? You can clearly see someone has tired to scribble it out using a biro pen then started using a felt tip pen. This is not something done on a computer.

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You can certainly see similarities. Specially with what appears to a B.

As for those who insinuate its a forgery made by you. Why would you scribble out a signature you put there in the first place? You can clearly see someone has tired to scribble it out using a biro pen then started using a felt tip pen. This is not something done on a computer.

Ha. ha! What a load of bollox! It's not Jones's signature - that's now proven! Just admit you were wrong and got carried away AGAIN!  Oh and - ever heard of a scanner?
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