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Offline lookout

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It wouldn't surprise me if he faked his own suicide whilst the balance of his mind was disturbed, the Bamber case preying on him as he realized he had been outwitted by a person who had ostensibly deceived him by achieving a similar outcome.





You are joking ?

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It wouldn't surprise me if he faked his own suicide whilst the balance of his mind was disturbed, the Bamber case preying on him as he realized he had been outwitted by a person who had ostensibly deceived him by achieving a similar outcome.
Surely Steve you do not believe that? So you believe he threw himself off a roof?

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I know who I would rather trust and rely on in such a case !! And it wouldn't be a " wild-eyed " sergeant who drank from a flask---------against a DCI ?? Say it was any of us,who would we choose ??

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I'm with you up to the point of the cops shooting Shiela. I can't believe that happened.
It would not have harmed the police to admit that they had shot her, either accidently or on purpose
On the other hand perhaps Taff knew this, and went with murder/suicide so the cops were not grilled.
It was not until Taff was replaced that things changed.

Sheila was only shot once (wounded once) when her body was reported as being present downstairs in the kitchen! If she had already been shot twice by that stage her body would have remained downstairs in the kitchen, it couldn't wind up laid on top of the bed if she had been shot twice by that stage! If she had been shot twice already by the time her body was laid on the bed by Ann Eatons, Stan Jones and Mick Clarks versions of the events, the police surgeon (8.44am) and Jones and Clark (after 9.05am, but prior to 9.13am) would have seen the two bullet wounds on Sheila's throat, and they would have seen all the blood on her nightdress, her face, coming out of her mouth, in her left eye socket, all the bloodstains on her right forearm, and thee top part of her right hand, but none of them did because I have decided that many of these bloodstains were caused after the second shot was discharged into Sheila's throat, and that this occurred after the police surgeon and Jones and Clark had left the main bedroom scene, and even the farmhouse altogether..

If the cops didn't shoot Sheila for the second time, then who else could have done it, only Sheila herself! But how could she shoot herself the second time without a gun? The rifle was at the boxroom window, two rooms away from the main bedroom! One thing is certain, it can't have been Jeremy Bamber who fired that second shot because he was outside with the police, he never set foot inside the farmhouse all the while he was present at the scene that morning (from 3.52am, onwards), and it can't have been any hitman, or mercenary, or the IRA or the PLO. I have decided that if Sheila had gone on to shoot herself on the second occasion that the cops would have said that was what happened, there would be no need for them to lie (so I agree with you there, on that point). Therefore, they must have shot her..

I have decided that they did shoot her...

They shot her when she was unarmed and mistakenly presumed to be dead already on the bed in the main bedroom, where according to what cops told Ann Eaton there had been a rifle on the bed in between the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber. Somebody must have brought the gun from the box room window at the time the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila were laid on top of the bed. That person I have decided could not have been Sheila, because if it had been she would have either used it to shoot at police officers inside the farmhouse, or she would have taken it intent upon shooting herself with it! Well, we know that Sheila had not shot herself by the time the police surgeon (Craig) saw her body on the far side of the bed, she had what appeared to be a solitary wound in her neck. When Craig saw Sheila's body the gun was described as laying alongside her body, not on top of it. Furthermore, Sheila had not got a second wound on her neck by the time Jones and Clark saw her body on the bed, when the rifle was laid on the bed (not on Sheila's body), in fact there had been a bible on Sheila's chest by that stage, so the rifle could not possibly also have been laid on the bed in between both bodies, and on Sheila's body where the bible had been at that stage..

Cops brought the rifle and placed it alongside Sheila's body at the stage where Dr Craig viewed Sheila's body, and cops placed the rifle in between both bodies on the bed prior to Jones and Clark seeing what they saw, and told Ann Eaton what they had seen...

To say that Sheila had died because of mistakes and errors made in the overall handling of the siege and raid parts of the investigation would be an understatement. Staging Sheila's body was a piece of police house keeping trying to keep everything under wraps, so that they did not have to be asked any awkward questions in public. Once the decision had been taken to treat the case as one of four murders and a suicide, it was too late for thee police to own up to what had taken place..

The relatives found out about what the cops had done by the beginning of September 1985, and from that point onwards they were able to blackmail Essex police into prosecuting Jeremy as the killer, with the help of an accomplice, who they thought might be Brett Collins...
« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 03:35:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Sheila was only shot once (wounded once) when her body was reported as being present downstairs in the kitchen! If she had already been shot twice by that stage her body would have remained downstairs in the kitchen, it couldn't wind up laid on top of the bed if she had been shot twice by that stage! If she had been shot twice already by the time her body was laid on the bed by Ann Eatons, Stan Jones and Mick Clarks versions of the events, the police surgeon (8.44am) and Jones and Clark (after 9.05am, but prior to 9.13am) would have seen the two bullet wounds on Sheila's throat, and they would have seen all the blood on her nightdress, her face, coming out of her mouth, in her left eye socket, all the bloodstains on her right forearm, and thee top part of her right hand, but none of them did because I have decided that many of these bloodstains were caused after the second shot was discharged into Sheila's throat, and that this occurred after the police surgeon and Jones and Clark had left the main bedroom scene, and even the farmhouse altogether..

If the cops didn't shoot Sheila for the second time, then who else could have done it, only Sheila herself! But how could she shoot herself the second time without a gun? The rifle was at the boxroom window, two rooms away from the main bedroom! One thing is certain, it can't have been Jeremy Bamber who fired that second shot because he was outside with the police, he never set foot inside the farmhouse all the while he was present at the scene that morning (from 3.52am, onwards), and it can't have been any hitman, or mercenary, or the IRA or the PLO. I have decided that if Sheila had gone on to shoot herself on the second occasion that the cops would have said that was what happened, there would be no need for them to lie (so I agree with you there, on that point). Therefore, they must have shot her..

I have decided that they did shoot her...

They shot her when she was unarmed and mistakenly presumed to be dead already on the bed in the main bedroom, where according to what cops told Ann Eaton there had been a rifle on the bed in between the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber. Somebody must have brought the gun from the box room window at the time the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila were laid on top of the bed. That person I have decided could not have been Sheila, because if it had been she would have either used it to shoot at police officers inside the farmhouse, or she would have taken it intent upon shooting herself with it! Well, we know that Sheila had not shot herself by the time the police surgeon (Craig) saw her body on the far side of the bed, she had what appeared to be a solitary wound in her neck. When Craig saw Sheila's body the gun was described as laying alongside her body, not on top of it. Furthermore, Sheila had not got a second wound on her neck by the time Jones and Clark saw her body on the bed, when the rifle was laid on the bed (not on Sheila's body), in fact there had been a bible on Sheila's chest by that stage, so the rifle could not possibly also have been laid on the bed in between both bodies, and on Sheila's body where the bible had been at that stage..

Cops brought the rifle and placed it alongside Sheila's body at the stage where Dr Craig viewed Sheila's body, and cops placed the rifle in between both bodies on the bed prior to Jones and Clark seeing what they saw, and told Ann Eaton what they had seen...

To say that Sheila had died because of mistakes and errors made in the overall handling of the siege and raid parts of the investigation would be an understatement. Staging Sheila's body was a piece of police house keeping trying to keep everything under wraps, so that they did not have to be asked any awkward questions in public. Once the decision had been taken to treat the case as one of four murders and a suicide, it was too late for thee police to own up to what had taken place..

The relatives found out about what the cops had done by the beginning of September 1985, and from that point onwards they were able to blackmail Essex police into prosecuting Jeremy as the killer, with the help of an accomplice, who they thought might be Brett Collins...

Cops had the case of Diana Jones in mind, and all the trouble it caused them at the time they staged Sheila Caffells death on the main bedroom floor as a suicide...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Well as I say it wouldn't surprise me, him knowing full well the gruelling he was going to get in the witness box and the concomitant loss of face. Of course I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't rule it out.

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Steve in his 30+ years of service he'd have had to have endured pretty much the same in the witness box.
He'd have known all this when he joined the force and if he'd felt he couldn't hack it,he would have either dropped out or been as obviously dedicated as he was.

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Steve in his 30+ years of service he'd have had to have endured pretty much the same in the witness box.
He'd have known all this when he joined the force and if he'd felt he couldn't hack it,he would have either dropped out or been as obviously dedicated as he was.
The point about Sheila being the culprit was Taff Jones' theory and he alone propagated it under threat of revolt by his subordinates. Once developments began to change, which started with Julie's evidence, there was a possibility that he just couldn't bear any loss of face, his questioning of Jeremy that first September morning was tentative and inadequate and gave the latter confidence that he couldn't be broken, and under those circumstances I don't find it difficult to envisage that he just wanted out, maybe in a way not to hurt his relatives or suffer any more loss of face through what might be perceived as a cowardly death of hanging, but leaving a mystique surrounding the death, which was the best result he could hope for faced with the forthcoming drubbing he was about to receive from the rigours of a gruelling trial.
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I didn't say definitively he did, and I apologize to relatives who may be distressed at the thought. There's more on the subject here if members care to peruse. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=183.0

P.S. It has heartened me greatly that the two members who have heretofore ridiculed, namely Jackie and David, had nothing constructive to say whatsoever on the subject.

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It wouldn't surprise me if he faked his own suicide whilst the balance of his mind was disturbed, the Bamber case preying on him as he realized he had been outwitted by a person who had ostensibly deceived him by achieving a similar outcome.

by all credebile acounts ive heard his death was exactly what has been stated he fell of a ladder.

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Well if you can't see it or don't want to see it (I suspect the latter). It's really not my problem.
How is what YOU posted (which looks like 3 5 (or S) B) a signature? And why would he put exclamation marks after it and miss out the J or his surname?



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how can you cliam mike is fordging documents and then rely on other documens hes posted to support your arguments.

Offline Jane

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how can you cliam mike is fordging documents and then rely on other documens hes posted to support your arguments.

I don't recall that I, or other detractors, have relied on any of Mike's posts to support our argument.

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How is what YOU posted (which looks like 3 5 (or S) B) a signature? And why would he put exclamation marks after it and miss out the J or his surname?



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I don't recall that I, or other detractors, have relied on any of Mike's posts to support our argument.

who posted all the statements here in the first place I belive it was mike.