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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #225 on: December 06, 2017, 10:31:PM »
Not just phones records but also the cell towers. You also had the testimony of Nicholls partner and Patricks former partner.

Faced with the cell tower evidence placing Whomes near the crime scene at the time of the crime. Whomes claimed he was in the nearby pub. Did he have any witnesses from that pub to say he way there? No. Because he wasn't.

depends what sort of pub it was if it was packed all the time  you could well go in there and not be remembred.

and not all pubs had cctv in those days.
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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #226 on: December 06, 2017, 11:17:PM »
depends what sort of pub it was if it was packed all the time  you could well go in there and not be remembred.

and not all pubs had cctv in those days.

Ok so while Keneth Noye, the Turkish mafia and the SAS are shooting Tucker and Tate. Jack Whomes just so happens to be in a pub up the road on the exact same day and the same time? Whomes then deceides to make a four second phone call to Darren Nicholls. Who just so happend to also call Tony Tucker and Pat Tate that same afternoon? How fortunate for the "real killers"

Whomes never told the police were he was that night.  It was only later at trial when the telephone records and cell tower records were disclosed to the defence did this story then emerge.

" 42. The defendants Whomes and Steele gave no explanation of these matters to the police in interview. Much later, after the details of this call were known, and after the cell site evidence had been disclosed - so that they knew when, by whom, to whom and through which cell sites the calls had been made - the defendants gave an explanation for the calls, as we have already set out. The prosecution alleges - and the jury by their verdict found - that the defendants have concocted a story so as to account for these telephone calls.
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Do you now realise why I feel stupid?  Its so obvious they are guilty and so easy to work out why if one bothers to do basic research.





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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #227 on: December 06, 2017, 11:33:PM »
ive never taken much intrest in the case really on acount the fact the only personrreally defending them was mahoney and i know he tells lies.

ive never really considred eather they did or not but on the evdence she presnted at trail i would of found it hard to convict them had i been on the jury.

there most likely people to have done it certanly but weather its proven beyound reasonable doubt im not sure.

what i count agianst them is no reputable moj organisation seems to have wanted to take up the case.
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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #228 on: December 06, 2017, 11:47:PM »
ive never taken much intrest in the case really on acount the fact the only personrreally defending them was mahoney and i know he tells lies.

ive never really considred eather they did or not but on the evdence she presnted at trail i would of found it hard to convict them had i been on the jury.

there most likely people to have done it certanly but weather its proven beyound reasonable doubt im not sure.

what i count agianst them is no reputable moj organisation seems to have wanted to take up the case.

The Jury heard that they gave no explanation for the calls.

The Jury heard that they gave no explanation for their whereabouts.

The Jury heard that only much later had an explanation when the damning details where given to the defence.

The Jury heard that Pats girlfiend warned Steele and Whomes that he was planning to kill them.

The Jury heard about Nicholls telling his girlfiend details about the plane shipping in the drugs to the field before Nicholls was even arrested.

The Jury heard about Steele mentioning Pats girtlfiend calling him shorly before the murders. Something only the killers would know.

How could any Jury in thier right mind acquit them?   ???

I get the impression that Bernard Omahoney has always known they were guilty. But helped their campaign because he felt they didnt deserve to be in prison. I can sympathise with that to some extent since they done society and the police a favour by getting rid of them.



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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #229 on: December 07, 2017, 06:35:AM »
The Jury heard that they gave no explanation for the calls.

The Jury heard that they gave no explanation for their whereabouts.

The Jury heard that only much later had an explanation when the damning details where given to the defence.

The Jury heard that Pats girlfiend warned Steele and Whomes that he was planning to kill them.

The Jury heard about Nicholls telling his girlfiend details about the plane shipping in the drugs to the field before Nicholls was even arrested.

The Jury heard about Steele mentioning Pats girtlfiend calling him shorly before the murders. Something only the killers would know.

How could any Jury in thier right mind acquit them?   ???

I get the impression that Bernard Omahoney has always known they were guilty. But helped their campaign because he felt they didnt deserve to be in prison. I can sympathise with that to some extent since they done society and the police a favour by getting rid of them.

I hear that last paragraph David, maybe that's not so far from the truth.

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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #230 on: December 07, 2017, 10:26:AM »
The Jury heard that they gave no explanation for the calls.

The Jury heard that they gave no explanation for their whereabouts.

The Jury heard that only much later had an explanation when the damning details where given to the defence.

The Jury heard that Pats girlfiend warned Steele and Whomes that he was planning to kill them.

The Jury heard about Nicholls telling his girlfiend details about the plane shipping in the drugs to the field before Nicholls was even arrested.

The Jury heard about Steele mentioning Pats girtlfiend calling him shorly before the murders. Something only the killers would know.

How could any Jury in thier right mind acquit them?   ???

I get the impression that Bernard Omahoney has always known they were guilty. But helped their campaign because he felt they didnt deserve to be in prison. I can sympathise with that to some extent since they done society and the police a favour by getting rid of them.

I doubt that Omahoney cared about whether Tate, Rolfe & Tucker lived or died. He was a lawyer, not a gangster & wouldn't have heard of them pre massacre.

Omahoney felt he could boost his profile by getting involved in a famous case. If he somehow found a technicality, that would boost his reputation.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #231 on: December 07, 2017, 10:29:AM »
I doubt that Omahoney cared about whether Tate, Rolfe & Tucker lived or died. He was a lawyer, not a gangster & wouldn't have heard of them pre massacre.

Omahoney felt he could boost his profile by getting involved in a famous case. If he somehow found a technicality, that would boost his reputation.

he is certainly not a laywer.

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« Reply #232 on: December 07, 2017, 10:31:AM »
Steele & Whomes protest their innocence partly because they believe they did nothing morally wrong. Tate & Tucker were violent criminals who were a danger to Steele & Whomes.

Bamber protests his innocence partly because he doesn't feel morally guilty about what he did.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #233 on: December 07, 2017, 10:38:AM »
To " not feel morally guilty " about slaughtering 5 people including 2 children,you'd have to be the worst insane criminal in a Cat A prison-----------of which JB is NOT  !! He remains INNOCENT.

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« Reply #234 on: December 07, 2017, 10:48:AM »
there is a hole forum to talk about Jeremy bamber why does he keep getting dragged into the off topic threas.

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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #235 on: December 07, 2017, 12:11:PM »
there is a hole forum to talk about Jeremy bamber why does he keep getting dragged into the off topic threas.






It's an insecurity about JB's guilt,so he has to keep convincing himself. Sad really when you don't believe yourself.

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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #236 on: December 07, 2017, 02:10:PM »





It's an insecurity about JB's guilt,so he has to keep convincing himself. Sad really when you don't believe yourself.

You are correct Lookout. I am insecure about Bamber's guilt.

The Wright, Steele/Whomes & Bamber cases are similar in that there is a mountain of evidence against them all. Unlike OJ I believe they all took the stand as well.

Haven't they all appealed as well ?
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« Reply #237 on: December 07, 2017, 02:15:PM »
It seems not -

'It was announced on 19 March 2008 that Wright was to appeal his convictions,[9] but on 2 February 2009, it was announced that Wright had decided to drop this appeal case.'

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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #238 on: February 08, 2021, 09:39:PM »
I see that Steve 'Nipper' Ellis has tried to pin the killings on his deceased father. Not so sure he was totally convincing in his claims.

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Re: ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
« Reply #239 on: February 08, 2021, 09:45:PM »
I see that Steve 'Nipper' Ellis has tried to pin the killings on his deceased father. Not so sure he was totally convincing in his claims.

The evidence proves it was Whomes and Steele. Not that it will stop people making up stories for attention.